Attack by Myanmar’s Kachin minority signals deepening crisis

[retaxis]

So it seems most people dont understand the simple fact that the Rohingas are minorities in arakan. In order for Rohingas to have their own land they would have to genocide the native buddhists out of Arakan first.

 

[Shorisrip]

So it seems most people dont understand the simple fact that the Rohingas are minorities in arakan. In order for Rohingas to have their own land they would have to genocide the native buddhists out of Arakan first.

95% of Rohingyas live in the northern townships west of the Mayu River (Maungdaw Township, Buthidaung Township, and western bank of the Rathedaung Township), where they comprised some 85-95% of the population (pre exodus). They were found in other parts of the state, but are small minorities in other parts. Non-Rohingyas are small minorities in Northern Rakhine/Arakan. The area where Rohingyas live has the highest density in all of Burma, outside of urban centres, and is 60%+ forested hilly land. Truth to be told, its a small land of some 3500 square Kilometres and not very "valuable" with only its strategic importance being thats its coastal land in the junction of 3 countries.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

Arm the oppressed Buddhist Rakhine people to the teeth. They deserve freedom from the hegemonic and savage Bamars. I don't know why it's not been done yet, but this is the way forward as long as Burma remains unstable.

Somebody is supplying FN-6 MANPADS to Arakan Army and even some fringe groups are getting their hands on this weapon.

Question is , who is supplying them ? Only two neighbouring countries that operate FN-6 are China and Bangladesh.

 

[Bengal71]

You should re-read what you write. Were not you asking BD to intervene militarily in Burma? Did I say wrong when BD is a bunch of coward Bengali and are quite different from people of Germany, Japan or England who have shown historically how a nation can be brave and strong? Does BD have any industries to support military buildup to intervene in Arakan/Burma?

Instead of what guys like you say, your Hasina Bibi is always asking us not to stop crying for the 3 million dead, a figure no one in the world believes. Please, do not ask BD to attack MM. The bad Burmese may come inside BD and kill another 30 million coward Bengali this time!!

I think you should read my post before responding . In this whole thread I clearly said BD should not take military Action neither Should it arm the Rohingya. You probably confused me with someone else who want military Action.

 

[Destranator]

The Burmese pie may be too bitter for a weak and coward entity like Bangladesh. This pie will be taken care of by regional powers like China, India, and even Thailand. BD under Hasina Bibi's BAL is too, too weak to do so.

BD's stated foreign policy is to swallow bitter pills from others. This policy suits us very much because we are known in the world as COWARD BANGALI.

What should BD do in this regard to not be the "cowards" that you call us?

 

[bluesky]

What should BD do in this regard to not be the "cowards" that you call us?

It is not that I have to call them cowards. It is the world that knows them as a bunch of cowrads. It is because we are led by weak leadership who cannot build the economy of the country and forces us to parrot 3 million dead in 1971 as if a single bullet killed 101 Bengali.

People who falsely claim such things cannot be brave. Braves are Vietnamese, German, Japanese, British, Americans, Pakistanis, etc., but not us who die in hundreds with the sound of a single bullet.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Brave are those with an inferiority complex.

 

[Michael Corleone]

It is not that I have to call them cowards. It is the world that knows them as a bunch of cowrads. It is because we are led by weak leadership who cannot build the economy of the country and forces us to parrot 3 million dead in 1971 as if a single bullet killed 101 Bengali

Why are you in japan then senpai? Lead us you brave son of samurai or is it yakuza?

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Why are you in japan then senpai? Lead us you brave son of samurai or is it yakuza?

To draw hentai.

 

[Destranator]

It is not that I have to call them cowards. It is the world that knows them as a bunch of cowrads. It is because we are led by weak leadership who cannot build the economy of the country and forces us to parrot 3 million dead in 1971 as if a single bullet killed 101 Bengali.

People who falsely claim such things cannot be brave. Braves are Vietnamese, German, Japanese, British, Americans, Pakistanis, etc., but not us who die in hundreds with the sound of a single bullet.

Ok.
Hypothetically speaking, let's say Bangladesh is a highly developed country that has built everything from scratch, never claimed that 3 million were killed by Pakistan Army and fought back Americans in a Vietnam style war.

What should BD do in this scenario where Kachins and Karens are fighting Burmese managers?

 

[Michael Corleone]

To draw hentai.

Speaking of look what I found when I searched bluesky meme

 

[Bilal9]

To draw hentai.

OK - F*ck me, we crossed a line here, eibar dilen bhaisaab re chetaiya.

Uni logic a kotha boley ar apnara aasen Hentai nia....

Tao rojar maash.

For once, I agree with what he said.

We are cowards.

A country whose policies are determined by other countries are more or less cowards.

 

[bluesky]

Ok.
Hypothetically speaking, let's say Bangladesh is a highly developed country that has built everything from scratch, never claimed that 3 million were killed by Pakistan Army and fought back Americans in a Vietnam style war.

What should BD to in this scenario where Kachins and Karens are fighting Burmese managers?

Kachin or Karens are none of our business and they live are far away from the BD border. Even if it is Rohingya, BD just cannot cross the international border that was decided during the time of President Ayub Khan sometime in the 1960s (?).

By that Treaty, Burmese troops withdrew south of Naaf Dariya and the centerline of Naaf has been demarcated as the international border. Before that, both banks of the river belonged to Burma.

BD is not a superpower like America or Russia. It is the only crying baby in this world.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Armchair Hentai General reporting for duty.

 

[mb444]

No, my solution is not that.

Obviously our interest is to ensure they return to their homeland as dignified citizens, it will solve all of the problems they have created in our country and it would be the best outcome.

But what if you have a situation when you do not have a splendid option that leads to the best outcome. Please try to list out all the possible options we have along with the consequences for each of them and see which one is desirable. Let me try myself:

1. We accept the Rohingya as our own:
- Worst option, not acceptable.

2. We get into a war with Burma

Numerous problems​

• We don't have the military capability or the financial capability (in a long drawn war) to drive the outcome we want
• If the objective is to occupy enough territory out of Arakan to house Rohingya, what will be the legal state of that territory? Will it become part of our country by annexation or it will be part of Burma? Or it will be an independent country, do the Rohingya have the ability to run an indepdent country that small and that small number of population? Will they be able to defend that independent state and maintain it as independent? Will it be recongined by the world and the UN or the Chinese veto will ensure it is never recognized and left in a limo? Will we be sanctioned to death for doing this?
• Will the Chinese take Burmese side totally and I can assure you they will. While we will have to keep purchasing our weapons and supplies in cash, the Chinese will likely give them free to their allies because there is greater Chinese interest involved.
• Whatever the outcome of the war is or whatever the international community does or the Chinese do, one thing will be guaranteed, our economy in a long drawn war will be destroyed and we will lose whatever we have worked hard for over the decades. That will ensure that millions of our own Muslim people will again go back to extreme poverty. I am all for helping our fellow co-religionists but at what expense? Will you reduce tens of millions of our own muslims to poverty and destituion to help the cause of about 1 million Rohingya Muslims? We can only do something if we are capable of, Allah does not burden anyone with anything he is not capable of.

3. Arm the Rohingya to fight back

• Rohingya are a very small minority of people in Arakan who are equally hated by the military as well as the majority ethnicity. Even the Buddist monks were against them.
• They are highly illiterate and don't have any modern outlook towards anything. Whatever caused this (likely Burmese government policy of discrimination over a long time) doesn't matter, only the effect of it matters.
• Rohingya do not have any good leadership who they can organize themselves behind. They need to have a political leader to drive any suitable outcome, they also need a military leader to drive an outcome if they were to be armed. They have none.
• Compare their struggle with BD's liberation struggle. Bengalis were the absolute majority in their own land, we had highly capable political leadership with decades of political experience, a significant portion of the population were educated, those who were not were smart enough to respond to the call of the political leadership and whole nation united for the cause. Morever, we had unrelenting support of a neighbor that took care of refugee issues, handled international political issues, armed and trained our people and finally gave the final blow by using their military. None of these conditions exists with the Rohingya.

Because the Rohingya situation is inflicting a lot of pain on our country, in the suffering of the pain we are forgetting a simple matter. Lack of good options does not justify adopting any option no matter how shit that option is. And the Rohingya issue is one of those peculiar issues where there is no good option unfortunately. If you think there is please show me and please don't forget to list out the short term and long term consequences and whether we will be able to cope with them and the sacrifices we have to make in terms of our own stability, our own global image and standing, the economic consequences, the effects of the economic consequences on millions of our own people etc.

Your points are very well thought out. Let me put out my position in order of my preference.

1. Arm the rohingya clandestinely- i believe this is the optimal solution. There are many insurgency in the simian collective where minorities have carved out an area of autonomy. However each of these minorities has a backer. Rohingya current position is because BD have not backed them. An armed rohingya insurgency i belive would be sucessful. The simian armed forces have failed to beat any of their insurgencies and they will fail here too.

It is also possible this further insurgency will break the camels back and may lead to army losing its grip on power. Even if it does not, no matter the rohingya can create a safe place for themselves. This eases pressure on BD in the short term and we gain long term leverage accross the naff.

This will also make the rohingya a player rather than just victims in the future.

For us worst case scenario we have removed a source of volatility to where it belongs rather than incubating the problem in our country.

Rohingya are people and they are our cousins. As all people they will rise to the challenge, they just need someone to back them. They are not seeking independence, just the right to exist. The aims are different, the calculus is not the same as 1971. Their aim is perfectly attainable with our help.

2. Integrate them in BD- Rohingya are muslims, it will be costly to integrate but we can do it and it is safer then herding them up in random places ad infinitum. Lack of opportunity and hope is the reasons for rohingya turning to crime or religious orthodoxy. These are symptoms of marginalisation and not the cause of it.

3. War with Burma - unpaletable option and should be avoided but not at all cost. Any further progrom against rohingya should result in a military response. We need to cross naff and capture enough territory to settle and safeguard the rohingya. International legal precedence would support BD in this as we would be going in to prevent a further genocide.

BD should not seek to anex the territory officially but just create a safe heaven. BD needs to immediately internationalise the situation and get the UN in to sort out the mess. BDs only purpose would be to safeguard the safe heaven. The situation is likely to become a stalemate until democracy returns.

I really do not see this leading to any kind of prolonged war. Simian collective can not afford it and can not fight us without ceeding territory to other insurgencies.

China will seek to calm situation rather than whole heartedly support the savages.

I take all the potential negative consequences you have mentioned and agree with them. As such this is my least preferred option by far.