Attack At URI---Was It Staged For Nawaz Sharif's Sake By India

[Fenrir]

When confronted by an alternate explanation, I find it's always best to prepare first, just in case things get weird.

Now that I've got my tinfoil dress on, I'm ready to take on this thread!!

Jokes aside, the OP does have an interesting explanation, though I find it more far fetched. When confronted with an uncomfortable reality, Occam's Razor tends to be the best course to follow because more often then not the easy, obvious answer is the correct one.

Given rising tensions in Kashmir including police action by India and riots against their presence, an attack on an Indian army base, as was seen not but a day or two ago as well, was only a matter of when, not if.

There's simply too much enmity between the relevant sides and the base explanation seems the most plausible. Resentment against India and a desire to punish them as they are perceived to be punishing Kashmiri's made the situation too toxic and it culminated in the Uri attack.

 

[war&peace]

Hi,

When Benazir Bhutto died---there was lots of chaos in the country---train and diesel locomotives were targeted and burnt and I blamed the peoples party for that---.

Recently Iearnt that it was not people party---but it was our own Shahbaz Sharif ordering his workers over the phone from abroad to burn the diesel locomotives---and the military has the tapes---.

Now---how could military allow such a person to be back in power---that is a question that needs to be asked.

Sir, just go into the details of each untoward incident in Pakistan and you will get shocked.....There are manipulators in Pakistan's establishment...who create and destroy the characters...

May I ask who created and supported MQM?

Who brought NS in power and still supporting him despite all the evidence against him?

Who created Talibans? and who ditched them when their Daddy turned against them?

Who kept his silence on OBL episode and didn't even refuse that it wasn't OBL in Abbottabad?

Who signed NRO and let the corrupt politicians return into power?

 

[The Eagle]

How is that even relevant?

You, like many other Pakistanis on here, brandish the fact that even US banned Modi from entering - as if US is supposed to be seen as a Gold standard for fairness. My only point was to dispute that and to say that US is guided by her own interests and banning Modi should be seen only in that context.

None tried of such brandished but a reference. Take a break as you are not getting the idea. Think about it, PM of India is allowed to visit US. He was allowed once took oath.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sigh.

@MastanKhan posts on air force incompetence on induction of fighter jet to continue the conventional parity with India as well as on other matters of the airforce are golden and extremely informative as well as an insight to psyche of pakistan.

His posts covering war on terror fought by pakistan and its earlier days are even more interesting as they highlight the delusions that the nation of pakistan harboured which in turn also effected the army and led to unnecessary casualties bcz of our inability to realize that those that were picking arms and blowing themselves up against the state are not " our people" in the sense that they were traitors. I would advise all to read them to gain good insight.

However over here I will disagree. I have no love for nawaz but this is beyond conspiracy theory. You can argue that India did URI attack to divert attention from Kashmir issue ( personally don't believe that) but to save nawaz they would kill 18 soldiers, use diplomatic pull to start a campaign against pakistan and do all that strike rubbish for what? To save nawaz. Infact was nawaz in any danger at all. Intact is he even right now? Imran is taking this issue forward but the question remains does he even need saving since Panama leaks, despite being active, have done nothing against him. In fact it hasn't even fettered his vite bank as he won a few by election and is predicted to win the 2018 election.

Hi,

It is not the truth that hangs someone all the time---but the belief in that truth---.

Tom Dooley didn't hung for the supposed murder he committed by shooting someone by making an impossible shot---he got hung for the other killings that he had done.

URI attack---as a colleague stated---the Rafale deal got signed right away.

 

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When confronted by an alternate explanation, I find it's always best to prepare first, just in case things get weird.

Now that I've got my tinfoil dress on, I'm ready to take on this thread!!

Jokes aside, the OP does have an interesting explanation, though I find it more far fetched. When confronted with an uncomfortable reality, Occam's Razor tends to be the best course to follow because more often then not the easy, obvious answer is the correct one.

Given rising tensions in Kashmir including police action by India and riots against their presence, an attack on an Indian army base, as was seen not but a day or two ago as well, was only a matter of when, not if.

There's simply too much enmity between the relevant sides and the base explanation seems the most plausible. Resentment against India and a desire to punish them as they are perceived to be punishing Kashmiri's made the situation too toxic and it culminated in the Uri attack.

Apart from the fact that attackers were not kashmiris and came from across the border. The moral standings lost long before, with a tussle now on to grab the territory via asymmetric warfare. The terror is a well funded organised institution now.

 

[MastanKhan]

When confronted by an alternate explanation, I find it's always best to prepare first, just in case things get weird.

Now that I've got my tinfoil dress on, I'm ready to take on this thread!!

Jokes aside, the OP does have an interesting explanation, though I find it more far fetched. When confronted with an uncomfortable reality, Occam's Razor tends to be the best course to follow because more often then not the easy, obvious answer is the correct one.

Given rising tensions in Kashmir including police action by India and riots against their presence, an attack on an Indian army base, as was seen not but a day or two ago as well, was only a matter of when, not if.

There's simply too much enmity between the relevant sides and the base explanation seems the most plausible. Resentment against India and a desire to punish them as they are perceived to be punishing Kashmiri's made the situation too toxic and it culminated in the Uri attack.

Hi,

Most of the times---the answers stare us right in the face---and we keep ignoring them---because we don't want to accept them---we don't want to believe in them---we have claimed to trust the person in question with our lives---and then to turn around and point a finger at that person is impossible.

 

[VCheng]

What has the world come to, I have to defend Nawaz Sharif from treason in a Pakistan Forum. Is anyone else Laughing?

@Oscar @waz @Joe Shearer @hellfire @anant_s @PARIKRAMA @WAJsal @Irfan Baloch

The more an Indian defends NS, the stronger the impression NS is India's agent. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[graphican]

Its time for Nawaz to go and will be gone within a month. Pakistan won't spare this scum this time.

 

[war&peace]

When confronted by an alternate explanation, I find it's always best to prepare first, just in case things get weird.

Now that I've got my tinfoil dress on, I'm ready to take on this thread!!

Jokes aside, the OP does have an interesting explanation, though I find it more far fetched. When confronted with an uncomfortable reality, Occam's Razor tends to be the best course to follow because more often then not the easy, obvious answer is the correct one.

Given rising tensions in Kashmir including police action by India and riots against their presence, an attack on an Indian army base, as was seen not but a day or two ago as well, was only a matter of when, not if.

There's simply too much enmity between the relevant sides and the base explanation seems the most plausible. Resentment against India and a desire to punish them as they are perceived to be punishing Kashmiri's made the situation too toxic and it culminated in the Uri attack.

Actually tinfoil dress won't help you a lot on this thread but a careful study of the history will.
The reality is stranger than any sci-fi and every time I look at it I find it weirder.

 

[The Eagle]

Read ICJ report on event that lead to 1971 war.
http://icj.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/...st-Pakistan-1971-thematic-report-1972-eng.pdf

We can discuss then on fact and not some emotion lad post high on text low on information.

The reports which favours you, you sell it but the reports that are not in your favour you wouldn't accept.

Fact yes, because YOU said so. As I expected, no legal finding from your side - Indian or International.

At least spent some time to find out rather than bombarding me with post with no references but individual whims.[/QUOTE]

The legal finding of your consumption or the findings that still people sees him as. Look at Kashmir the latest atrocities. Even he won election on anti-Pakistan agenda and Hindutva yet he is hell bent to satisfy the voters. Bad behavior by red bold part. Cannot spoon feed like you will accept the sources.

So now contradicting yourself since you didn't find your own assertion supporting your arguments? Change of heart? Please decide first whether US dissolve the ban because Indian Institution absolve Modi of charges or because of national interest they saw in Modi?

But I dont remember you giving me any legal process or jurisdiction that went in US which can justify that ban not being a precautionary measure?

Are you that naive or what. US banning him was for reference and yes US allowed him once after Supreme Court order but doesn't change fact for Butcher of Gujrat. US received him as PM India, worthy for anti-China. You are not reading and understanding the short phrase like want to be spoon Fed.

PS: Please quote some factual arguments in case you chose to respond. We can not argue merely based on prejudice and opinions.

What's your authority hete except opinion. The drama of so-called strike and you want me to repeat all that. Thousands of posts for farce attack are here in this forum. Search &read. You didn't like my opinion, don't buy it as you are not forced to do so. That's the way out.

 

[Fenrir]

Apart from the fact that attackers were not kashmiris and came from across the border.

And yet there was a condition that needed to be met, wasn't there? A justification?

An attack on Indian security personal in Jammu and Kashmir, which had been undergoing increased levels of tension involving riots, abusive policies and an ongoing police action.

No matter where the attackers came from, the conditions needed for the attack to take place were created in Kashmir.

Hi,

Most of the times---the answers stare us right in the face---and we keep ignoring them---because we don't want to accept them---we don't want to believe in them---we have claimed to trust the person in question with our lives---and then to turn around and point a finger at that person is impossible.

Mmm, hmm. I like reading your explanations of event, you've always got an interesting and different take, but in this instance I think the events follow a regular path that's been seen in Indo-Pak relations many times over

So we'll agree to disagree here.

Actually tinfoil dress won't help you a lot on this thread

Of course it wont given either side's an interest in muddling the perception of the events. I follow the events quietly, not having a side in the fight, but I can see clear distinctions in each side's perception.

The reality is stranger than any sci-fi and every time I look at it I find it weirder.

Eh, not really. Indo-Pak relations follow a rather predictable path that they've been stuck in for decades. It's why they're still fighting each other.

Anywho, have fun arguing with each other.

 

[Azadkashmir]

 

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And yet there was a condition that needed to be met, wasn't there? A justification?

An attack on Indian security personal in Jammu and Kashmir, which had been undergoing increased levels of tension involving riots, abusive policies and an ongoing police action.

No matter where the attackers came from, the conditions needed for the attack to take place were created in Kashmir.

Off course, how you think otherwise can put Kashmir again on international platter? A tension created between two nuclear capable nation don't have better substitute.

Who don't want to keep the status quo?

 

[war&peace]

Eh, not really. Indo-Pak relations follow a rather predictable path that they've been stuck in for decades.

Anywho, have fun arguing with each other.

Really, then what's your prediction for next two years if not more?

 

[Azadkashmir]