Attack at Shia procession in Bahawalnagar, Pakistan.

[Jawad-Ali-Khan]

problem is that TTP has biggest pool of recruitment from Deobandi madrassahs .. never ever from Betalvi or Ahl Hadith school.
its uncomfortable and painful truth. although not all Deobandi are automatic followers of Daesh.

its a sad case where all global terror is attributed to Muslims although not all Muslims support Al-Qaeda or Daesh.

Right Sir.

But Sir I just want to say, I have read comments where Deobands are stereotyped as terrorists.

If that is the case, so are the Afghan Taliban. They are Deobandis and Pashtoons. And we have so many Deobandis serving in Pakistan Armed Forces as well.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Right Sir.

But Sir I just want to say, I have read comments where Deobands are stereotyped as terrorists.

If that is the case, so are the Afghan Taliban. They are Deobandis and Pashtoons. And we have so many Deobandis serving in Pakistan Armed Forces as well.

i recall racism against Pashtons in Punjab right after terror attacks. wrong association and generalisation.
Deobandis are decent and loving people. As much Muslim like anyone else. they are loyal and patriots, friend of friends.

they dont deserve any blame if someone of their faith commits terror. everyone is responsible for own actions only.

 

[Maula Jatt]

i recall racism against Pashtons in Punjab right after terror attacks. wrong association and generalisation.
Deobandis are decent and loving people. As much Muslim like anyone else. they are loyal and patriots, friend of friends.

they dont deserve any blame if someone of their faith commits terror. everyone is responsible for own actions only.

Yep remember it all too well, people were scared of the Pashtun Pop influx back than, I mean you can call it racism but I wouldn't cause people were genuinely scared for Thier lives during those times and security became number 1 priority, so this was more out of deathly fear mixed with ignorance than pure racism

Everyone in the country was tbh, MQM, Sindh

Fear of death Babu bhaiya, fear of death...

 

[Jawad-Ali-Khan]

i recall racism against Pashtons in Punjab right after terror attacks. wrong association and generalisation.
Deobandis are decent and loving people. As much Muslim like anyone else. they are loyal and patriots, friend of friends.

they dont deserve any blame if someone of their faith commits terror. everyone is responsible for own actions only.

Thank you Sir.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Saudi Arabia is the root cause of all problems, from their act the ripple effect started. It all happened back when Soviet Union were spreading communism, the Saudi king also wanted to spread its extremist version of Islam to counter communism and spread their own sect. They targeted poor Muslim countries... the african ones and Pakistan itself. Opened up tons of maddrassas and has spent billions of dollars on this programme.

Do you wanna know of the ripple effect? Pakistan ISI took the extremists from these maddrassas and converted them into Talibans after giving this military training with CIA funding to fight against the Soviet Union.

Even now the Saudis are funding these madrassas and creating more terrorists. The Saudis have always been the root cause of problem. Due to Saudis spreading their sect, Iran felt in danger so they also launched their own proxies into different countries. Saudis have damaged the whole world alot and i hope Allah sent their kings and whoever is responsible to the deepest pits of hell.

Well, it's always to blame others .. Our sectarian problems and strife is very much homegrown

Our very own Sheikh Ahmed Sirhindi, revered as Mujaddid Alif Sani (the reviver of the second millennium) was issuing Fatwas declaring it obligatory for the Sunni rulers and common men to kill Shias (whom he declared worst kafirs) and confiscate their properties and belongings, as early as the 16th century. Although initially imprisoned by the Mughal Emperor Jahangir, he was subsequently made a part of the Mughal Royal Camp. He greatly utilised this position of power and in a few years became the most prominent and influential scholar of India. Around the same time, a struggle was going on in the Pashtun belt between the followers of unorthodox Pir-e-Roshan followers and orthodox Pir Baba and Akhund Darweza (buried in Peshawar) followers. Mughal emperors had declared war on the followers of Pir-e-Roshan which ultimately led to emergence of Akhund Darweza's orthodox Islam as the prominent version/interpretation of Islam in the Pakhtun areas, something that has remained unchanged ever since.

Then, in the 18 century, came another very famous and influential scholar Shah Waliullah Dehalvi, another fiercely Anti-Shia preacher, who besides issuing decrees banning Shia religious practices, strongly advocated that the Arab way was the right way. Shah Waliullah and Abdul Wahhab Najadi were both students of Muhammad Hayyat ibn Ibrahim al-Sindhi, a Naqshbandi follower of Ahmed Sirhindi from Sindh (present day Pakistan) and a staunch admirer of Ibn e Taimiyyah. Ahmad Shah Abdali was persuaded by Shah Waliullah to invade India and kill/expel Marathas as well as Shias from Delhi. No Shia remained in Delhi after Abdali's invasion.

Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, Allama Mohammad Iqbal, Abul A’la Maududi and many others carried forward the tradition of Waliullah with slight re-adjustment. And then came his son Shah Abdul Aziz, the man who shaped the Sunni attitude towards Shia and vice versa (in the form it exists today) through his writings. Deoband was just a continuation of the exclusivist and sectarian legacy of Sheikh Ahmed Sirhindi, Shaha Waliullah, Ahmed Shah Abdali and others.

We can go on and on. Our sectarian problem is not imported, it's very much homegrown and has deep roots in our history. Factors like Saudi/Iranian funding only exploit the already existing fault lines

 

[Areesh]

Well, it's always to blame others .. Our sectarian problems and strife is very much homegrown

Our very own Sheikh Ahmed Sirhindi, revered as Mujaddid Alif Sani (the reviver of the second millennium) was issuing Fatwas declaring it obligatory for the Sunni rulers and common men to kill Shias (whom he declared worst kafirs) and confiscate their properties and belongings, as early as the 16th century. Although initially imprisoned by the Mughal Emperor Jahangir, he was subsequently made a part of the Mughal Royal Camp. He greatly utilised this position of power and in a few years became the most prominent and influential scholar of India. Around the same time, a struggle was going on in the Pashtun belt between the followers of unorthodox Pir-e-Roshan followers and orthodox Pir Baba and Akhund Darweza (buried in Peshawar) followers. Mughal emperors had declared war on the followers of Pir-e-Roshan which ultimately led to emergence of Akhund Darweza's orthodox Islam as the prominent version/interpretation of Islam in the Pakhtun areas, something that has remained unchanged ever since.

Then, in the 18 century, came another very famous and influential scholar Shah Waliullah Dehalvi, another fiercely Anti-Shia preacher, who besides issuing decrees banning Shia religious practices, strongly advocated that the Arab way was the right way. Shah Waliullah and Abdul Wahhab Najadi were both students of Muhammad Hayyat ibn Ibrahim al-Sindhi, a Naqshbandi follower of Ahmed Sirhindi from Sindh (present day Pakistan) and a staunch admirer of Ibn e Taimiyyah. Ahmad Shah Abdali was persuaded by Shah Waliullah to invade India and kill/expel Marathas as well as Shias from Delhi. No Shia remained in Delhi after Abdali's invasion.

Maulana Abul Kalam Azad, Allama Mohammad Iqbal, Abul A’la Maududi and many others carried forward the tradition of Waliullah with slight re-adjustment. And then came his son Shah Abdul Aziz, the man who shaped the Sunni attitude towards Shia and vice versa (in the form it exists today) through his writings. Deoband was just a continuation of the exclusivist and sectarian legacy of Sheikh Ahmed Sirhindi, Shaha Waliullah, Ahmed Shah Abdali and others.

We can go on and on. Our sectarian problem is not imported, it's very much homegrown and has deep roots in our history. Factors like Saudi/Iranian funding only exploit the already existing fault lines

That is a nice sectarian post against Ahlesunnah which also criticizes sectarianism in subcontinent at the same time. Nearly all the top Ahlesuunah scholars have been called sectarian and what not in this post

Nice

 

[M.AsfandYar]

@Foxtrot Alpha @The Eagle @PDF @Sulman Badshah

Can the incident, in the OP's tweets be confirmed?

Cant confirm it. Nothing on media. Only on TRT apart from indian outlets.

 

[M. Sarmad]

That is a nice sectarian post against Ahlesunnah which also criticizes sectarianism in subcontinent at the same time. Nearly all the top Ahlesuunah scholars have been called sectarian and what not in this post

Nice

Well, what I have wrote above is just the tip of the iceberg. Everything is verifiable, can provide sources if needed.

And it takes two to tango, no doubt about that. Shia are no saints either. But this post was in context of the allegation that Saudis are the root cause of all sectarian problems and Sunni hatred of Shia in subcontinent, therefore centred around Ahl e Sunnah.

 

[SQ8]

As the Taliban come into power, these elements which had hidden into the woodwork are now going to come back to life - we will see them in sectarian violence, in violence against minorities and women, and will see them online abusing and bullying.

 

[jupiter2007]

I told you all that you will see increase in Terrorists activities in Pakistan. Foreign agencies and their handlers will go after soft targets.They have been trying for sectarian Violence for a long time. You can see the interviews of Indian analysts talking about this stuff. India is spending close to 800 million in print and social media to target pakistan.

 

[Areesh]

Well, what I have wrote above is just the tip of the iceberg. Everything is verifiable, can provide sources if needed.

And it takes two to tango, no doubt about that. Shia are no saints either. But this post was in context of the allegation that Saudis are the root cause of all sectarian problems and Sunni hatred of Shia in subcontinent, therefore centred around Ahl e Sunnah.

No post against sectarianism is complete without mentioning the things other side has done and is still doing even today continuously unabated

Whether it is a mourning event to some eid like that Ghadeer one, no event is completed till the "other side" produces at least half a dozen videos bashing and hate speech against personalities that form the fundamental beliefs of majority of muslims in Pakistan

So it is important to discuss the role by both sides if we want to discuss sectarianism in this part of the world.

 

[jupiter2007]

Saudi Arabia is the root cause of all problems, from their act the ripple effect started. It all happened back when Soviet Union were spreading communism, the Saudi king also wanted to spread its extremist version of Islam to counter communism and spread their own sect. They targeted poor Muslim countries... the african ones and Pakistan itself. Opened up tons of maddrassas and has spent billions of dollars on this programme.

Do you wanna know of the ripple effect? Pakistan ISI took the extremists from these maddrassas and converted them into Talibans after giving this military training with CIA funding to fight against the Soviet Union.

Even now the Saudis are funding these madrassas and creating more terrorists. The Saudis have always been the root cause of problem. Due to Saudis spreading their sect, Iran felt in danger so they also launched their own proxies into different countries. Saudis have damaged the whole world alot and i hope Allah sent their kings and whoever is responsible to the deepest pits of hell.

We have 2 extreme groups, one is fundamentalist and other is grave worshiper who are involved in shirk and bidat.
There is a solution for all problems. I think Imran Khan is trying his best to standardize education including Madrassas.

 

[HammerHead081]

We have 2 extreme groups, one is fundamentalist and other is grave worshiper who are involved in shirk and bidat.
There is a solution for all problems. I think Imran Khan is trying his best to standardize education including Madrassas.

Yes but the point still stands that it will take decades to change people's mindset in Pakistan.

 

[Tornado23]

This thread has turned into a total sh*t show....

 

[jupiter2007]

Yes but the point still stands that it will take decades to change people's mindset in Pakistan.

Our previous governments didn’t care otherwise this issue could have been resolved long time ago. Jahil molvis are spreading wrong information to people. Ghous Paak is stronger than Allah.