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Athens in flames after passage of austerity measures

You wait and see if this movement comes to the US, that will be very interesting.

What do you mean? This developement originated in the US to a large extent and has been happening there for 20 years. However the US doesn't really have any more social programs to cut (except Medicare/Medicaid) and has already 14 trillion dollars of debt.. So it has been and is beeing milked thouroughly both by the defense industry but to a much larger extent the banks who got a nice 11.6 trillion dollar bailout... Bailout

So in my opinion it is already happening in the US. Actually, that is where it started.
 
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What do you mean? This developement originated in the US to a large extent and has been happening there for 20 years. However the US doesn't really have any more social programs to cut (except Medicare/Medicaid) and has already 14 trillion dollars of debt.. So it has been and is beeing milked thouroughly both by the defense industry but to a much larger extent the banks who got a nice 11.6 trillion dollar bailout... Bailout

So in my opinion it is already happening in the US. Actually, that is where it started.

I believe what he meant was the public unrest due to these bailouts like its happening in Greece. Till now the US youth seems unaware of what they signed up for.
 
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Well.. That is something we might have to wait for a long time. I only saw a mass-protest in the US twice. Once at the G8 in 1998 and the police was not kind.. and once against the Iraq-War which then started anyway. I am not sure the youth in the US sees any good and protesting, many have become very frustrated and cynical, but maybe (hopefully) I am wrong. The protests in Wisconsin were a start.
 
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do you really think the common people and workers of Greece deserve to have their social security cut basically to zero because of a developement that saw a couple of thousand Greeks get very rich and now "the bill has to be payed"?

I think it is a little more nuanced than that and I am not willing to turn on the Greek population that easily, because If I was a powerful banker or billionaire, that is exactly what I would want, for the common people, the middle class, to turn on each other..

"Divide and conquer"..

I hate to say it, but the Greek population is very much at fault in this matter. The whole country has been living way beyond their means for a long time.

Here's the low down on what's been happening in Greece

Greek mess may cause second GFC | News.com.au

THE dire situation in Greece has the potential to cause a second global financial crisis and we all need to factor in that possibility along with the impact of the fallout on our finances.
In recent months we've been keeping you up to date with the PIIGS (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain). These are the economic cot cases of Europe that need bailing out of their financial woes.

Greece is the most at risk of failing and global financial markets are on tenterhooks at the risk of this triggering a domino-style collapse of the rest of the PIIGS.

We're being bombarded with questions about Greece, so here are the answers.

>> Why is Greece in such a bad way?

Basically, Greece is full of tax cheats. Its workers are overpaid and can't be fired. In other words, Greece has been living beyond its means for years. The Government has borrowed heavily and been on a spending spree it couldn't afford.

For example, public service wages have increased 30 per cent in the past five years. It's common for workers to be paid a bonus just for arriving on time, and industrial relations laws mean it's almost impossible to be fired. Crazy stuff.

On the revenue side, tax evasion is a national sport with some estimates that 25 per cent of the working population pay no tax, costing the Government about $30 billion a year.

This means that the Greek Budget deficit is 14 per cent of GDP (what it earns). Australia's budget deficit is 4 per cent.

But the financial killer for Greece is the soaring level of its government debt, which is about 125 per cent of GDP. Ours will peak at 7 per cent.

Because investors are so nervous about the risk of Greece not repaying its debt, they're demanding much higher interest rates for any new loans.

Greece can't afford those higher interest rates and it has to refinance a big chunk of that debt in the middle of next month. That's why it wants a $20 billion pot of bailout money from the International Monetary Fund and stronger European countries soon.

>> What is their government doing about it?

Naturally the IMF and European Union countries aren't going to throw good money after bad, so they've said they'll help but only if the Greeks tighten their belt and get the budget back into shape.

So the Greek Government has announced a series of budget austerity measures, which are the cause of the public riots:

A pay freeze and some wage cuts for public servants.

Scrap wage bonuses.

Easier rules to lay off staff.

Tighten eligibility rules of the age pension.

An increase in VAT (its GST) from 21 to 23 per cent.

Lifting indirect taxes on alcohol, petrol and cigarettes by 10 per cent.

A clampdown on evasion of tax.

Privatisation of government businesses (telcos, power companies) and even selling some Greek islands.

The aim is to cut the budget deficit to less than 3 per cent of GDP by 2014.

But the IMF and European Union are withholding the $20 billion bailout for another month until these austerity measures are passed through the Parliament.

>> How will it affect us?

The European Union and the IMF have a finite amount of money to bail out countries. The fear is, if Greece defaults on its debts, the interest rate on loans to other PIIGS will soar to a point they could default and there won't be enough money to bail them all out.

It's a scary prospect. Yes, Europe is a long way from us, and we're more linked to the prosperity of China and other Asian nations, but we won't be immune from another global financial crisis.

Just like the last GFC, global share markets could crash, ours will follow and that will hit all our superannuation returns.

Banks globally are big investors in European government bonds. If some of those countries (such as the PIIGS) default on their debts, those bonds won't be repaid, the banks will suffer big losses and they'll tighten credit to customers.

This will cause another credit squeeze, which will hit all economies not a pretty prospect.The IMF and EU are determined to stop Greece triggering the fall of dominoes.

Let's hope they succeed. Follow it closely.
 
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I wish to see riots like these in Pakistan by the common man against the government.

Oh dear, when will that day come and Pakistan will free itself from all the corrupt politicians. If the people of Pakistan do care about Islam why don't they turn against the corrupt politicians and bring them out of their houses and lynch them one by one.
 
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