At Quad, foreign ministers differ on way to tackle China

[beijingwalker]

we are officially in the early stages of setting up an alliance to deal with Chinese territorial aggression.

there's still time for China to adjust it's course, and i hope they will.

Yes, now China just became EU's biggest trading partner surpassing US, next will be Canada, what else you guys design to make happen?

 

[hualushui]

League of Losers

 

[Mace]

In this video I tried to explain
1.Who is the biggest trading partner of Quad countries?
2.Will Quad become Asian Nato?
3.FOIP and will it challenge BRI?
4.Will Quad help India against China? Pax Amerikana or Pax China?
5.Will US allow Japanese to amend their constitution for sale of maintaining army against china?

It’s a start. QUAD’s effectiveness or otherwise will be seen perhaps in 5 years from now.

 

[Bill Longley]

It’s a start. QUAD’s effectiveness or otherwise will be seen perhaps in 5 years from now.

ground realities tell otherwise and secondly dont forget US is not the only player. China Russia are coordinating and era of Pax China has started

 

[Mace]

ground realities tell otherwise and secondly dont forget US is not the only player. China Russia are coordinating and era of Pax China has started

At the moment Russia needs China to counter the West. Pax China is not Russia’s long term vision. Remember Putin’s only goal is to bring back Russia’s past glory. He is ensuring his stay in power by any means possible to achieve that goal. Russia will disengage with a China at some point.

 

[Bill Longley]

At the moment Russia needs China to counter the West. Pax China is not Russia’s long term vision. Remember Putin’s only goal is to bring back Russia’s past glory. He is ensuring his stay in power by any means possible to achieve that goal. Russia will disengage with a China at some point.

when that time come ,we will discuss

 

[Beast]

At the moment Russia needs China to counter the West. Pax China is not Russia’s long term vision. Remember Putin’s only goal is to bring back Russia’s past glory. He is ensuring his stay in power by any means possible to achieve that goal. Russia will disengage with a China at some point.

When? When US is destroy right?

 

[Globenim]

When you resort to team up with India then you are already in serious trouble.

 

[LeGenD]

Following observations:

1. China is not far ahead of USA in the field of 'missile technologies' - people should not comment on matters which they do not seem to understand in person. Chinese missile force model is shaped by threat perceptions in its surroundings and different from that of American missile force model to large extent which in turn was shaped by Cold War and INF Treaty with Russia, but a number of American sources have created hysteria over this matter by drawing misleading parallels. This could be intentional misdirection to divert attention from American security calculus and/or give impetus to birth of a new generation of American power projection capabilities in response.

American decision to pull out from INF Treaty with Russia is a reminder:

US withdraws from landmark missile treaty with Russia

Critics say move could ‘exacerbate the mistrust’ between the two rivals and provoke a new arms race.

www.aljazeera.com

U.S. Completes INF Treaty Withdrawal | Arms Control Association

www.armscontrol.org

2. QUAD is picking steam without much noise - evolving regime.

Despite differences in threat perception, risk tolerance, military capability, and strategic culture, cooperation among the Quad countries is likely to deepen as long as China continues to challenge key aspects of the status quo liberal rules-based order that benefit all four.

LINK: https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publi...quadrilateral-cooperation-advancing-australia

QUAD members have adopted maritime interoperability measures by now.

LINK: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...at-you-need-to-know-about-the-quad-in-charts/

FOCUS should be on ACTIONS ON THE GROUND and not just on expressions and/or which member is being most vocal in a particular QUAD meeting.

YES - All members of QUAD have significant trade relations with China in the present and economic de-couplings to the point of irrelevance are unlikely in a short span of time. Therefore, QUAD is PLAN B in the present and will not be on the level of NATO anytime soon.

3. China is doing BRI (good initiative) but it have ongoing disputes with multiple countries which are giving impetus to QUAD.

South China Sea (SCS)

LINK: https://www.lowyinstitute.org/issues/south-china-sea

China - India

LINK: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...red-as-india-china-engage-in-border-standoff/

China - Japan- Korea

LINK: https://apjjf.org/2012/10/53/Ivy-Lee/3877/article.html

China - Taiwan

LINK: https://wmich.edu/politics/kastner-taiwan-strait

China perceive Taiwan as a part of its own.

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How China will negotiate/settle its ongoing disputes with the aforementioned states - is important consideration.

American Presidential Elections are drawing near, and how the NEXT American President will deal with the aforementioned issues - is important consideration. Much can happen in the space of 4 - 5 years.

Classic DIVIDE and RULE game at play - Americans being distant schemers in this game.

As for the perception of USA in decline - WE do not know for sure. CHANGING GLOBAL DYNAMICS is not necessarily indicative of USA being in decline per se. More like USA in the process of re-adjusting its priorities and commitments accordingly.

 

[Mace]

Yes, now China just became EU's biggest trading partner surpassing US, next will be Canada, what else you guys design to make happen?

What you are expressing here is hubris not pride.

 

[redtom]

The Indians did not understand that neutrality is India's greatest value. When India is neutral, the United States needs to please India. When India turned to the United States, the United States needed India to die for the United States.

However, I like this change in India.I hope Japan will abandon its neutrality soon.As for Australia, who cares what they are.

 

[Dash]

QUAD at the moment is not a challenge but rather a counter to Chinese hegemony in SCN and Indo Pacific. India is just leading from the front at the moment with US backing but its not the most affected country here, which are Japan and Australia at the moment.

 

[Pandora]

Apart from India everyone knows that US will leave them hanging dry in open when war breaks out. US while staying at distance will watch as so many developing and developed economies will crumble. US is the only disruptive factor in south china sea otherwise sea disputes are not something that cannot be solved diplomatically.