At least 29 civilians killed in US-led air strikes on Raqqa

[Hack-Hook]

Apparently the deaths were acceptable to Hezbollah.
Why would they have started it otherwise?

I do not make any claims about the legality of the Israeli strikes.
You have to know much more about the circumstances to make a judgement.
It is well known that sending unguided rockets against cities is a war crime.

If there are 1800 civilians killed by Israeli actions that does not violate the laws of war,
and 60 civilians killed by Hezbollah actions which violates the laws of war,
then only Hezbollah has committed war crimes.

interesting actively targeting civilian with smart bombs and releasing cluster bombs in civilian area in western hemisphere is not a war crime but if an Israeli guy have an heart attack from the explosion of an artillery rocket several hundred meter way it's a war-crime.

well it maybe the case where you live but not where i live
and did Hezbollah attacked Israel ? last time I checked it was not Lebanon who start war with Israel it was Israel who started the war and still occupy part of Lebanon since more than 30 years ago.


oh and lastly where it come firing rockets or mortars or cannons against legitimate targets in cities is war-crime. wonder if it was not USA and Its allies did against cities in Iraq ,Afghanistan and Syria for last 15 year ? wonder why for them that is not a war-crime ?
Guess some people blood is more red than some other peoples .

 

[Solomon2]

interesting actively targeting civilian with smart bombs and releasing cluster bombs in civilian area in western hemisphere is not a war crime -

Quit that. It depends on context. If attackers are wantonly operating near civilians - as Hamas did in Gaza - then it is those forces which are committing a war crime and the civilians lose their protected status in international law.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

well using a uzi with civilian clothes is a terrorist act my question is what's the difference with firing a tomahawk from 2500km away ?

when Islamic jihad blow USA barrack in Beirut it was called a terrorist attack while the target was a military one . when USA bombed civilian shelter in Baghdad it was collateral damage while the target clearly was civilian , or when they bombed medic without border hospitals ?
can you tell me why ?

A cruise missile cannot be mistaken for a civilian craft.
It typically has markings which identifies it as belonging to the US.
It is not concealed.

A combatant pretending to be an innocent civilian while attacking, is violating the Geneva
Convention in the chapter on "perfidy".
Civilian clothes and concealed Uzi makes You aorist.
Uniform and openly carried M-16 makes you a legal combatant.

Islamic Jihad pretended to be innocent civilians, by loading up a civilian truck with explosives.
Again perfidy, making them terrorists.

If they had used a camouflaged trucks with insignias, then the attack would have been legal.

I have not studied the bombing of the shelter so I can't comment on that.
Wiki says:
The Amiriyah Bombing happened after intelligence detected military radio transmissions
from the building, making the USAF believe that the shelter was used for military purposes.
In reality the transmissions were only from an aerial mounted on the building,
which was connected to a command center 300 meters away.

The civilians killed were not Collateral Damage.
If the USAF sincerely believed it was used for military purposes, it was a mistake.
If the person concluded that it was in use for the military in spite of lots
of information pointing to the opposite, it might be a criminal mistake.

The way it works is that you have analysts gathering information.
If information indicates military use, the risk of killing civilians is analyzed.
No risk for civilians, the target is added to the list.
If there is a risk for civilian casualties, then the perceived value of the target is compared to the risk of casualties, and a goahead is only approved if the value is high enough.

In drone attacks, killing 30-40 civilians, because they have found a single foot soldier
is not OK. There was no hesitation, and no crime taking out both al-Zarqawi and his family.

As for the attack on the Medecins sans Frontiers in Afghanistan,
the US has admitted to a screwup, apologized and agreed to pay damages,
and pay for the reconstruction of the hospital.
Many people involved has been disciplined, but not court martialled.

Was it a war crime, some clues point to that.
The effect of failing equipment is hard to judge.
Miscommunication and plain stupidity is known to happen in war.
The US bombed British troops during the Gulf War, but taking out British troops
was not any policy of the USAF.

As mentioned in a previous posting, superior officers will in some cases
let people get away with a warning because they will otherise share the shame of a crime.

interesting actively targeting civilian with smart bombs and releasing cluster bombs in civilian area in western hemisphere is not a war crime but if an Israeli guy have an heart attack from the explosion of an artillery rocket several hundred meter way it's a war-crime.

well it maybe the case where you live but not where i live
and did Hezbollah attacked Israel ? last time I checked it was not Lebanon who start war with Israel it was Israel who started the war and still occupy part of Lebanon since more than 30 years ago.


oh and lastly where it come firing rockets or mortars or cannons against legitimate targets in cities is war-crime. wonder if it was not USA and Its allies did against cities in Iraq ,Afghanistan and Syria for last 15 year ? wonder why for them that is not a war-crime ?
Guess some people blood is more red than some other peoples .

I said that I had no information regarding the Israeli strikes.
That cannot be construed as a claim that they were legal.

Hezbollah captured Israeli soldiers. That was the triggering point of the war.
There is a small piece of disputed territory on the border.
IIRC the Israeli consider it a part of occupied Golan, Hezbollah considers it to be part of
Lebanon. Capturing soldiers is a provakation.
Since there is a war ongoing, that is all that is needed.

Firing unguided rockets is deemed a war crime.
Firing much higher precision artillery and much much higher precision mortar shells
against military targets in a city is not.

A combatant that makes it its strategy to hide in civilian buildings for sniping purposes,
and also boobytraps civilian buildings open up all buildings for attack.

When the US invaded Germany, they would approach a village, send in a soldier
to request surrender, and if not, they would obliterate the village.
Many surrendered after that became public knowledge.

In Falluja, the insurgents made the whole city a fortress and was treated accordingly.

So by your defination, if ISIS or any other shit attack and killed your family in the name of collateral damage, then you will accept it as collateral damage?

First of all, does ISIS has a legal reason to go to war with Sweden?
I doubt that. If not, any attack is illegal.

If they somehow can find a valid reason to declare war on Sweden,
a legal attack must be on a military target.

For the attack to be legal, they have to enter the country wearing a uniform,
after war has been declared.

If any civilians are killed under such conditions, then it is collateral damage.

We both know the ISIS cowards will never fight according to International Law.

 

[YeBeWarned]

The casualties in WTC was a result of an attack against a civilian target.
Collateral Damage can only occur on attacks on Military Targets.

None of the Target hit by US planes are military target, they are civilian crowded place, where Rebels and Govt forces are fighting, US has no business been there or send its fighters ..

There is a UNSC resolution saying that everyone should fight ISIS in Syria and Iraq.
This gives the US right to attack ISIS in Syria.
In Iraq, they are working with the government.
If Syria attacks the US or allies in their war on ISIS, it is self defense.

The Attack on the Air Base was as You well know a warning, to stop using Sarin.
Do You care about the Sarin victims, or only those victimś that are results of US attacks?

The US is supporting FSA, but no evidence has ever been presented that they support al-Nusra.
It is known that US supported rebels have defected to Al-Nusra or traded their weapons,
but that is not the same thing.
It has been shown that KSA and Gulf States support al-Nusra.

No, US still got no right to interfere in a Civil war, US is doing all this so they get to F'd up another country in ME .. you don't see the connection of US invading one country after another .. and if ISIS attack allies of US that gives US justification to invade or Attack a country, so why can't Russia attack US or its allies as Asshead is Russian Ally ? and If Iran attack your forces in region why you call it State sponsor Terrorism ? if you do it, its Halal if others do its Terrorism ? isn't it unfair ?

US supporting FSA is clear, and lots of fighters switch sides , one day they are part of FSA but other day they are in Al-Nusra ..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/us-support-for-al-qaeda-l_b_10089410.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/715977/al-nusra-us-arming-jihadists-syria
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...ate-rebels-form-alliance-170403064144285.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/russia-turkey-syria-161228050019245.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23849587

US and its allies support today's Moderate Rebels, aka Future Terrorist , arming them to the teeth with modern Anti Tank systems and more .. you want me to post US Air drops in the hands of ISIS and Al-Nusra ? thing is you will not even believe even if US highest Commander will speak it, your hatred towards arab and Muslim makes you biased and blind .

Law says that an attack must be proportional, but law also says that judgment is made
based on the information available to the attacker.
If ISIS snipers are firing from a building, it is a military target.
If nothing is known about who else is in the building, it can be attacked.
If it is known that the building contains 200 civilians, it may be considered disproportional.

The number of civilians inside the building is not important for the determination if it is a war crime
or not, only the number known to the attacker.
If it is known that the sniper in the building can explode a dam, which will drown 10,000
civilians, then bombing the building is OK, even if it is known that it contains 200 civilians.

If a Law say don't care for Human life , than throw that law into the gutters .. that is my stand , when US bases are attacked in Iraq and Afghanistan they are considered Terrorism, why ? they are military targets ..
you have sniper shooting from a building so you call Air strike over it ? Damn that is cruel , no wonder the real death toll of Iraq and Afghanistan never comes out, by using your logic, US must have wipe out entire Villages because some Terrorist might be hiding there ? can you say saame for your Western Civilians ?

so you are saying, if some Intel tell you something without proper confirmation send F-16's and turn that building and its people into dust and what if the Intel was wrong ? ( Iraq WMD's ) ... will that General who order the Strike and pilots will be hanged ? NO .. if that is done by Muslim Army to a Western Country it would have been declared Crime against Humanity, you know the double Standards but you are too blind to see it ..

Concentration Camps are definitely the reason for millions of deaths during WWII.
Since there were many millions dying from the war, there were other reasons as well.

Western Armies are trained in the Geneva Convention.
That does not mean that it is always followed, but at least that is the intention.
Punishment is handed out for violating the convention, but as violating the convention is shameful,
it can happen that violations are overlooked/ignored by local commanders.

Violations are quite well documented by historians so no, they are not overlooked by the Western World.

In contrast, Islamist rarely if ever even show the intention of following the Geneva convention.

If the Syrian Army is firing on US or US allies, the Geneva Convention applies.

Concentration camps killed 6-7 million Jews, if i remember correctly but overall death toll was around 40ish million which was because of WAR, which was started by a White German Hitler .. and which was joined by other Imperial states so saying that Europeans are the biggest genocides and Murderers in History its not wrong at all .. even before that Europe history is filled with Genocides and killing, Witch hunt and dark ages ... and that WAR reason is more than enough to call a spade a spade ..

Bingo, You now finally accept that Western Forces not Always follow the Geneva convention , and when they want a country destroyed or its people dead , or push them into a Choatic war , No one care for Any Convention or WAR, its the innocent Civilians who die by the thousands between the fight of Powers like US/NATO and Terror Groups like ISIS/AQ ..US supporting a party in a civil war is it self against the LAWS when US has no direct threat from Syrian Civil war..

I don't expect ISIS and AQ bastards to follow any Conventions , cause they are piece of Sh!ts .. but when Civilians are stuck , than countries like US and west need to be extra careful and incidents like these undermine US and other countries effort to fight them .. these news are propaganda material for them but loss of innocent civilian is a crime against humanity so i wont put it in cold storage by calling Collateral Damage ..
Syrian Army did not Attack US, US allies are party to Civil war which means their men or Resources are killing the SAA so if SAA kill your allies back than it means its same cycle, but none of that gives you justification to Attack civilians who are stuck ..

Civilians are at the mercy of events during war.
If 10,000 military targets are attacked, and each attack kills 5 civilians, it is no crime.
If one known non-military target is attacked and one civilian is killed, it is a war crime.

You think US air strikes that lead to Civilians life loss, how many Terrorist got killed ? 5- 10 ? even 50 terrorist there should not give a country justification to killed 100 or 50 innocent civilians . that is just plane BS they feed you in West , for me a human life matter above every law above every convention ..and to me if someone killed a innocent Civilians despite he can avoid it , or wrong intel than its a WAR Crime and must be treated like one ..

ISIS makes terrorist attacks all over the world.
The UNSC has asked the whole world to stop ISIS, and the US is participating.

If you see a man beat and rape his 12 year old daughter, and his wife
keeps her locked in, and threatens to kill her kid sister if she informs the police.
Are You going to let the family solve the problem within the family?

The US has actually done very small efforts in trying to overthrow Assad.
More so KSA and the Gulf states.
Iran has supported Assad from the start.

ISIS is a Terrorist Organization, they are non State actors , no one invite ISIS to use their land, nor the people .. US has significant ISIS fighters or supporters, so why cant Russia Attack US to eliminate ISIS from US ? because Russia can not Attack USA, and USA can attack any country in the name of anything , and get away with it .. there is no saint or heavenly act, its just they have mighty Army so they bully the weak one's ..

If a Family is suffering, and they call Police than Police must take Action against the Culprits, not to blow the entire neighborhood just to eliminate some Rapist or few murderers , I have no love or sympathy for Rapist , and Terrorist .. bring them together and put them into lava for all i care , but i wont suggest to wipe of many civilians just because to kill 1-10 terrorist , if there is other way to avoid Civilians loss than countries must take that long but hard way ..

You are contradicting your own point, you say if SAA attack US allies so US has right to respond now you are saying that US allies KSA/UAE/GCC are supporting FSA /Al-Nusra which kills SAA and Russians, so by that logic every country has right to attack, and kill more civilians , if world works by this logic we wont have the world at all ..
Iran Supported Asshead and you Support the Opposition , what's the difference ?

I state what the requirements are to legally/illegally kill a civilian.
It has nothing to do with if the attacker is from the West or elsewhere.

The link was to a court martial of a drone operator for illegally killing civilians.
http <colon> //www <dot> theonion <dot> com/video/predator-drone-court-martialed-for-afghani-civilia-20316

The Iraqi "torture" affair resulted in court martials and long prison times.

When a dictator is repressing the citizens, it is the duty of the rest of the world to help them out.
I note that You do not complain about people helping him slaughtering his people.

Your racist comment about everyone in the West beeing responsible for the actions of the few, is noted.
You forget that there are a lot of people in the West working to expose any wrong doing.

illegally , only Terrorist kills civilians illegally .. and when its legal its called Collateral Damage ..
Thank God that some Animal minded American were court martialed and put behind the bars for disgracing Humanity ..

Why US has not yet attack NK ? are they not by far worlds most Oppressive Regime ? why not rest of the world didn't care except US who wants to take lead in every invasion ? Afghanistan, Iraq , Syria , Somaila , Yemen , Sudan ,Pakistan , Libya ..
Today in US lots of American has ill thoughts of US president, so its world and other countries responsibility to invade US and bring a man which that minority despise ?
My stand on Human loss is same since i start learning about worth of life, all Human lives are important to me regardless of their Color , Race , Religion , Nationality .. same goes to those who kill innocent civilians , not matter who commits it, my stand will be same ..

I never for once blame anyone, i just use your own logic against you so you point fingers at me ? you say Muslims are suffering because of Muslims , so its all Muslims fault that people are dying ? i noted your double standard to my dear and so does the other who might read our posts .

They are not even close to "Crimes vs Humanity".

If you are at a shooting range, and fire at a target, and someone has placed a kid behind the target.
You kill the kid, which you did not see.
What is your punishment for killing an innocent kid?

That does not negate the point, US did not kill civilians out of a Mistake, if it happen few times its a mistake if it happens many many times its a deliberate move , or maybe its like US don't want to see the other side, Civilians die, let them die we get our target .. that is pathetic thinking.
let me give you an example, When a Post in Pakistan ( Salala ) was attacked by Allied forces, they did not do it out of mistake, cause if it was a mistake, they might have known it and stop the attack after firing first shots, but instead 2 choppers keep firing and throwing everything at this post killing every single Soldier at that post, (22) .. that was not a mistake, that was a deliberate move and a Crime ..

Its not the question of innocence. Its the situation where the battles are in the cities where innocent people are living in. Along with enemy that are hiding in. Trust me if the U.S. wanted to kill innocent people, it would have been thousands a day with conventional means. It sucks I know but its war.

US did not want to Kill millions, but they want to kill as many as possible, and don't want to attack much Attention from UN and other nations so they do it by the shadow of WoT and supporting Oppositions ..

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

None of the Target hit by US planes are military target, they are civilian crowded place, where Rebels and Govt forces are fighting, US has no business been there or send its fighters ..



No, US still got no right to interfere in a Civil war, US is doing all this so they get to F'd up another country in ME .. you don't see the connection of US invading one country after another .. and if ISIS attack allies of US that gives US justification to invade or Attack a country, so why can't Russia attack US or its allies as Asshead is Russian Ally ? and If Iran attack your forces in region why you call it State sponsor Terrorism ? if you do it, its Halal if others do its Terrorism ? isn't it unfair ?

US supporting FSA is clear, and lots of fighters switch sides , one day they are part of FSA but other day they are in Al-Nusra ..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/us-support-for-al-qaeda-l_b_10089410.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/715977/al-nusra-us-arming-jihadists-syria
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...ate-rebels-form-alliance-170403064144285.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/12/russia-turkey-syria-161228050019245.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-23849587

US and its allies support today's Moderate Rebels, aka Future Terrorist , arming them to the teeth with modern Anti Tank systems and more .. you want me to post US Air drops in the hands of ISIS and Al-Nusra ? thing is you will not even believe even if US highest Commander will speak it, your hatred towards arab and Muslim makes you biased and blind .



If a Law say don't care for Human life , than throw that law into the gutters .. that is my stand , when US bases are attacked in Iraq and Afghanistan they are considered Terrorism, why ? they are military targets ..
you have sniper shooting from a building so you call Air strike over it ? Damn that is cruel , no wonder the real death toll of Iraq and Afghanistan never comes out, by using your logic, US must have wipe out entire Villages because some Terrorist might be hiding there ? can you say saame for your Western Civilians ?

so you are saying, if some Intel tell you something without proper confirmation send F-16's and turn that building and its people into dust and what if the Intel was wrong ? ( Iraq WMD's ) ... will that General who order the Strike and pilots will be hanged ? NO .. if that is done by Muslim Army to a Western Country it would have been declared Crime against Humanity, you know the double Standards but you are too blind to see it ..



Concentration camps killed 6-7 million Jews, if i remember correctly but overall death toll was around 40ish million which was because of WAR, which was started by a White German Hitler .. and which was joined by other Imperial states so saying that Europeans are the biggest genocides and Murderers in History its not wrong at all .. even before that Europe history is filled with Genocides and killing, Witch hunt and dark ages ... and that WAR reason is more than enough to call a spade a spade ..

Bingo, You now finally accept that Western Forces not Always follow the Geneva convention , and when they want a country destroyed or its people dead , or push them into a Choatic war , No one care for Any Convention or WAR, its the innocent Civilians who die by the thousands between the fight of Powers like US/NATO and Terror Groups like ISIS/AQ ..US supporting a party in a civil war is it self against the LAWS when US has no direct threat from Syrian Civil war..

I don't expect ISIS and AQ bastards to follow any Conventions , cause they are piece of Sh!ts .. but when Civilians are stuck , than countries like US and west need to be extra careful and incidents like these undermine US and other countries effort to fight them .. these news are propaganda material for them but loss of innocent civilian is a crime against humanity so i wont put it in cold storage by calling Collateral Damage ..
Syrian Army did not Attack US, US allies are party to Civil war which means their men or Resources are killing the SAA so if SAA kill your allies back than it means its same cycle, but none of that gives you justification to Attack civilians who are stuck ..



You think US air strikes that lead to Civilians life loss, how many Terrorist got killed ? 5- 10 ? even 50 terrorist there should not give a country justification to killed 100 or 50 innocent civilians . that is just plane BS they feed you in West , for me a human life matter above every law above every convention ..and to me if someone killed a innocent Civilians despite he can avoid it , or wrong intel than its a WAR Crime and must be treated like one ..



ISIS is a Terrorist Organization, they are non State actors , no one invite ISIS to use their land, nor the people .. US has significant ISIS fighters or supporters, so why cant Russia Attack US to eliminate ISIS from US ? because Russia can not Attack USA, and USA can attack any country in the name of anything , and get away with it .. there is no saint or heavenly act, its just they have mighty Army so they bully the weak one's ..

If a Family is suffering, and they call Police than Police must take Action against the Culprits, not to blow the entire neighborhood just to eliminate some Rapist or few murderers , I have no love or sympathy for Rapist , and Terrorist .. bring them together and put them into lava for all i care , but i wont suggest to wipe of many civilians just because to kill 1-10 terrorist , if there is other way to avoid Civilians loss than countries must take that long but hard way ..

You are contradicting your own point, you say if SAA attack US allies so US has right to respond now you are saying that US allies KSA/UAE/GCC are supporting FSA /Al-Nusra which kills SAA and Russians, so by that logic every country has right to attack, and kill more civilians , if world works by this logic we wont have the world at all ..
Iran Supported Asshead and you Support the Opposition , what's the difference ?



illegally , only Terrorist kills civilians illegally .. and when its legal its called Collateral Damage ..
Thank God that some Animal minded American were court martialed and put behind the bars for disgracing Humanity ..

Why US has not yet attack NK ? are they not by far worlds most Oppressive Regime ? why not rest of the world didn't care except US who wants to take lead in every invasion ? Afghanistan, Iraq , Syria , Somaila , Yemen , Sudan ,Pakistan , Libya ..
Today in US lots of American has ill thoughts of US president, so its world and other countries responsibility to invade US and bring a man which that minority despise ?
My stand on Human loss is same since i start learning about worth of life, all Human lives are important to me regardless of their Color , Race , Religion , Nationality .. same goes to those who kill innocent civilians , not matter who commits it, my stand will be same ..

I never for once blame anyone, i just use your own logic against you so you point fingers at me ? you say Muslims are suffering because of Muslims , so its all Muslims fault that people are dying ? i noted your double standard to my dear and so does the other who might read our posts .



That does not negate the point, US did not kill civilians out of a Mistake, if it happen few times its a mistake if it happens many many times its a deliberate move , or maybe its like US don't want to see the other side, Civilians die, let them die we get our target .. that is pathetic thinking.
let me give you an example, When a Post in Pakistan ( Salala ) was attacked by Allied forces, they did not do it out of mistake, cause if it was a mistake, they might have known it and stop the attack after firing first shots, but instead 2 choppers keep firing and throwing everything at this post killing every single Soldier at that post, (22) .. that was not a mistake, that was a deliberate move and a Crime ..



US did not want to Kill millions, but they want to kill as many as possible, and don't want to attack much Attention from UN and other nations so they do it by the shadow of WoT and supporting Oppositions ..

I suggest You start from the beginning of the thread and reread my posts.
Your many mistakes in thinking can be corrected if You understand those.

Remember: Noone cares about what You personally think is right or wrong - unless
you can convince the world to agree to modify those treaties. Good Luck with that...

The only thing which is important is what people have agreed on in treaties.
The West is generally adhering to those rules (Nazis not counted)

 

[Hack-Hook]

A cruise missile cannot be mistaken for a civilian craft.
It typically has markings which identifies it as belonging to the US.
It is not concealed.

A combatant pretending to be an innocent civilian while attacking, is violating the Geneva
Convention in the chapter on "perfidy".
Civilian clothes and concealed Uzi makes You aorist.
Uniform and openly carried M-16 makes you a legal combatant.

Islamic Jihad pretended to be innocent civilians, by loading up a civilian truck with explosives.
Again perfidy, making them terrorists.

If they had used a camouflaged trucks with insignias, then the attack would have been legal.

I have not studied the bombing of the shelter so I can't comment on that.
Wiki says:
The Amiriyah Bombing happened after intelligence detected military radio transmissions
from the building, making the USAF believe that the shelter was used for military purposes.
In reality the transmissions were only from an aerial mounted on the building,
which was connected to a command center 300 meters away.

The civilians killed were not Collateral Damage.
If the USAF sincerely believed it was used for military purposes, it was a mistake.
If the person concluded that it was in use for the military in spite of lots
of information pointing to the opposite, it might be a criminal mistake.

The way it works is that you have analysts gathering information.
If information indicates military use, the risk of killing civilians is analyzed.
No risk for civilians, the target is added to the list.
If there is a risk for civilian casualties, then the perceived value of the target is compared to the risk of casualties, and a goahead is only approved if the value is high enough.

In drone attacks, killing 30-40 civilians, because they have found a single foot soldier
is not OK. There was no hesitation, and no crime taking out both al-Zarqawi and his family.

As for the attack on the Medecins sans Frontiers in Afghanistan,
the US has admitted to a screwup, apologized and agreed to pay damages,
and pay for the reconstruction of the hospital.
Many people involved has been disciplined, but not court martialled.

Was it a war crime, some clues point to that.
The effect of failing equipment is hard to judge.
Miscommunication and plain stupidity is known to happen in war.
The US bombed British troops during the Gulf War, but taking out British troops
was not any policy of the USAF.

As mentioned in a previous posting, superior officers will in some cases
let people get away with a warning because they will otherise share the shame of a crime.



I said that I had no information regarding the Israeli strikes.
That cannot be construed as a claim that they were legal.

Hezbollah captured Israeli soldiers. That was the triggering point of the war.
There is a small piece of disputed territory on the border.
IIRC the Israeli consider it a part of occupied Golan, Hezbollah considers it to be part of
Lebanon. Capturing soldiers is a provakation.
Since there is a war ongoing, that is all that is needed.

Firing unguided rockets is deemed a war crime.
Firing much higher precision artillery and much much higher precision mortar shells
against military targets in a city is not.

A combatant that makes it its strategy to hide in civilian buildings for sniping purposes,
and also boobytraps civilian buildings open up all buildings for attack.

When the US invaded Germany, they would approach a village, send in a soldier
to request surrender, and if not, they would obliterate the village.
Many surrendered after that became public knowledge.

In Falluja, the insurgents made the whole city a fortress and was treated accordingly.



First of all, does ISIS has a legal reason to go to war with Sweden?
I doubt that. If not, any attack is illegal.

If they somehow can find a valid reason to declare war on Sweden,
a legal attack must be on a military target.

For the attack to be legal, they have to enter the country wearing a uniform,
after war has been declared.

If any civilians are killed under such conditions, then it is collateral damage.

We both know the ISIS cowards will never fight according to International Law.

nonsense I'm sure no missile in that war fired from Beirut or no sniper fired at Israeli from Beirut .
and answer me when you attack cities you expect resistance come from where ? so its nonsense claiming they were hidden between civillians

but you don't knew the one who was using a weapon clearly had marking you could not just see it before ,he had a jihadi AK47 and the ring on the hand of the one who blow himself in US barrack was clearly stated he was member of islamic Jihad those signs were clearly in plain sight but the victims could not see it as victim of those smart bombs and cruise missile could not see the marking on the bombs and presence of the soldiers 1000s of km away when they fired those missiles

there was no crime taking out zarqavi and his families but ask pakistani and Afghans here about their idea on bombing weddings and workers who were using a truck to go to their work
as i said some peoples blood is more red than some others
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haditha_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Mahali#United_States_led_airstrike_2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishaqi_incident
Some people always find to justify themselves you know however you throw a cat it always fall on his legs

and yes they paid damage 3000$ for each wounded 6000$ for each murdered such compensation and just go and look at the list of errors they come up with for the plane to justify that the fact that they continued attacking msf building for 15min after they were informed that the place is a hospital ran by MSF and they failed to answer why they could not see MSF sign on the building and why they forcefully entered the building with tanks and destroyed evidences.


by the way where its come that firing artillery rocket toward enemy line is forbidden.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

nonsense I'm sure no missile in that war fired from Beirut or no sniper fired at Israeli from Beirut .
and answer me when you attack cities you expect resistance come from where ? so its nonsense claiming they were hidden between civillians

but you don't knew the one who was using a weapon clearly had marking you could not just see it before ,he had a jihadi AK47 and the ring on the hand of the one who blow himself in US barrack was clearly stated he was member of islamic Jihad those signs were clearly in plain sight but the victims could not see it as victim of those smart bombs and cruise missile could not see the marking on the bombs and presence of the soldiers 1000s of km away when they fired those missiles

there was no crime taking out zarqavi and his families but ask pakistani and Afghans here about their idea on bombing weddings and workers who were using a truck to go to their work
as i said some peoples blood is more red than some others
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haditha_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_hospital_airstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Mahali#United_States_led_airstrike_2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishaqi_incident
Some people always find to justify themselves you know however you throw a cat it always fall on his legs

and yes they paid damage 3000$ for each wounded 6000$ for each murdered such compensation and just go and look at the list of errors they come up with for the plane to justify that the fact that they continued attacking msf building for 15min after they were informed that the place is a hospital ran by MSF and they failed to answer why they could not see MSF sign on the building and why they forcefully entered the building with tanks and destroyed evidences.


by the way where its come that firing artillery rocket toward enemy line is forbidden.

Sorry, but to count as a legal combatant, it must be obvious when you look at a person from a distance.
Use of long range weapons are not covered by the Geneva Convention.

I have made no claim either way regarding Israeli attacks in Lebanon.
Show a proper investigation if You want to make an accusation.

Hezbollah is present in Beirut, so there are likely plenty of worthwhile targets there.
That does not mean that random houses can be targeted.

When the city is on the frontline, things become different.
If civilian houses are used for defensive purposes all houses become military targets,
if they threaten friendly forces.

Firing unguided rockets at the enemy line is not a crime.
Firing unguided rockets on a city is.
The Gladstone report after the Gaza war called the firing of unguided rockets at Israeli
cities a Crime vs Humanity.

It is violating the Geneva Convention.

 

[oprih]

As expected of american military professionalism. They deliberately avoid targeting the terrorist and instead kill civilians professionally in line with american terrorism doctrine.