At least 27 dead, more than two dozen injured in shooting at rural Texas church

[Daniel808]

Another shooting in america land?

Guns is for enemy troops, not for civilian

@gambit @TaiShang @antonius123 @lcloo

 

[TaiShang]

Another shooting in america land?

Guns is for enemy troops, not for civilian

@gambit @TaiShang @antonius123 @lcloo

They better start seeing this problem as an issue of human rights.

***

Mass shootings worsen US human rights
Source:Global Times Published: 2017/11/6


Just days after the truck terror attack in Manhattan, a church in a small South Texas community has become a killing field - although the mass shooting in Texas appears to be unconnected to terrorism. A 26-year-old white man opened fire in the church on Monday, killing at least 26 people and wounding about 20 others. This immediately reminds people of the mass shooting at a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip on October 1, which left 59 dead and more than 500 injured.

The whole world is astounded at the frequency of mass shootings in the US and its government's inaction to address them. Some "sick and deranged" people compete with each other for the sensationalism the attacks bring.

The US public's equanimity in the face of these deadly attacks is surprising. The governments of other countries would have been strongly denounced if such severe attacks against society happened so often. Except for media reports and verbal responses from officials and lawmakers, the US is slow in taking any targeted action against mass shootings.

Although US media outlets publish instant reports and pictures, they fail to lead US society to focus on the shootings, instead putting more attention on Russiagate. The difficulties of gun control in the US are universally known. While US politicians and the media have cold feet on the issue, ordinary citizens are left with no other option but to accept the status quo.

The US public can only place their hope on sheer luck to avoid being attacked in a mass shooting. The majority's acquiescence to the government's failure to act has spawned a spreading outbreak of this violence. US society always pays condolences to the innocent victims, but never feels guilty that it makes no efforts to prevent these tragedies from happening.

The US is rigid on gun control. How many people will have to die before US society is prompted to reform the current system? US politicians are slick players and are unwilling to launch a political duel against those who oppose gun control under uncertain circumstances.

The US system determines that politicians will only take politically correct actions to attract votes. The US is lucky that it started early in modern governance and accumulated some advantages, otherwise, the country, with the current mechanisms, would probably lose out to India. Yet US institutional governance has remained resistant to any change.

If the mass shootings in the US cannot be addressed in the long term, and the government takes no effective action, the UN Human Rights Council needs to denounce Washington's inaction at some point, exerting external pressure on the country.

Washington must acknowledge that mass shootings are a serious human rights issue that has directly threatened the life of Americans. We hope that US media and elites refresh their understanding of human rights.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1073849.shtml

 

[Dalit]

And the news moves out of the headlines in 3... 2... 1....

According to the US president the killer had mental issues. When I first saw the headline on many papers I couldn’t believe that this wasn’t the main news.

 

[gambit]

Another shooting in america land?

Guns is for enemy troops, not for civilian

@gambit @TaiShang @antonius123 @lcloo

This means the US is not for wussies. The right to possess weapons is secured via the overriding document of the land: The US Constitution.

If you are too dainty to handle even the idea of an armed citizenry, do not come to the US. Criticize US from the submissive safety of your country.

 

[Daniel808]

They better start seeing this problem as an issue of human rights.

***

Mass shootings worsen US human rights
Source:Global Times Published: 2017/11/6


Just days after the truck terror attack in Manhattan, a church in a small South Texas community has become a killing field - although the mass shooting in Texas appears to be unconnected to terrorism. A 26-year-old white man opened fire in the church on Monday, killing at least 26 people and wounding about 20 others. This immediately reminds people of the mass shooting at a music festival on the Las Vegas Strip on October 1, which left 59 dead and more than 500 injured.

The whole world is astounded at the frequency of mass shootings in the US and its government's inaction to address them. Some "sick and deranged" people compete with each other for the sensationalism the attacks bring.

The US public's equanimity in the face of these deadly attacks is surprising. The governments of other countries would have been strongly denounced if such severe attacks against society happened so often. Except for media reports and verbal responses from officials and lawmakers, the US is slow in taking any targeted action against mass shootings.

Although US media outlets publish instant reports and pictures, they fail to lead US society to focus on the shootings, instead putting more attention on Russiagate. The difficulties of gun control in the US are universally known. While US politicians and the media have cold feet on the issue, ordinary citizens are left with no other option but to accept the status quo.

The US public can only place their hope on sheer luck to avoid being attacked in a mass shooting. The majority's acquiescence to the government's failure to act has spawned a spreading outbreak of this violence. US society always pays condolences to the innocent victims, but never feels guilty that it makes no efforts to prevent these tragedies from happening.

The US is rigid on gun control. How many people will have to die before US society is prompted to reform the current system? US politicians are slick players and are unwilling to launch a political duel against those who oppose gun control under uncertain circumstances.

The US system determines that politicians will only take politically correct actions to attract votes. The US is lucky that it started early in modern governance and accumulated some advantages, otherwise, the country, with the current mechanisms, would probably lose out to India. Yet US institutional governance has remained resistant to any change.

If the mass shootings in the US cannot be addressed in the long term, and the government takes no effective action, the UN Human Rights Council needs to denounce Washington's inaction at some point, exerting external pressure on the country.

Washington must acknowledge that mass shootings are a serious human rights issue that has directly threatened the life of Americans. We hope that US media and elites refresh their understanding of human rights.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1073849.shtml

Terrorist Attack in Boston
Shooting in Las Vegas
Shooting in Denver
Terrorist Attack in New York
and now Another Shooting in Texas
More coming soon..


American land is very safe nowadays

This means the US is not for wussies. The right to possess weapons is secured via the overriding document of the land: The US Constitution.

If you are too dainty to handle even the idea of an armed citizenry, do not come to the US. Criticize US from the submissive safety of your country.

This is not about wussies or armed citizenry,
But this is about Responsibility
When you have a gun you need to be Responsible

But from what we see in Recent days,
We can get Conclusion, there is Lack of Responsibility in america land

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2017_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

yesterday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting
and now
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting
more coming soon..

If they still Lack what we call "a Responsibility"

@Hamartia Antidote @lcloo @Dungeness @Han Warrior @yantong1980

 

[gambit]

This is not about wussies or armed citizenry,
But this is about Responsibility
When you have a gun you need to be Responsible

Do not presume to lecture to Americans about being responsible gun owners, you who probably have never shoot in your life.

Whereas I have been a RESPONSIBLE gun owner since I joined the USAF back in 1983.

The reality is that mass murders via guns are actually on the DECLINE...

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/06/mass-shootings-arent-on-the-rise.html

It’s clear that there is no major upward trend.

Why, then, is there such a powerful feeling that things are getting worse? Media coverage plays a big role.

Instead of jumping on the forum and quick to criticize US, why not take the time to actually do even basic research ?

But never mind, that was a rhetorical question.

 

[TaiShang]

Terrorist Attack in Boston
Shooting in Las Vegas
Shooting in Denver
Terrorist Attack in New York
and now Another Shooting in Texas
More coming soon..


American land is very safe nowadays




This is not about wussies or armed citizenry,
But this is about Responsibility
When you have a gun you need to be Responsible

But from what we see in Recent days,
We can get Conclusion, there is Lack of Responsibility in america land

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2017_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

yesterday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting
and now
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting
more coming soon..

If they still Lack what we call "a Responsibility"

@Hamartia Antidote @lcloo @Dungeness @Han Warrior @yantong1980

Michael Moore compares Canada and the US. Many similarities: Diversity, exposure to violent media, and high gun ownership (ratio).

Yet, the US is way ahead of Canada in gun-related violence. I believe it is even worse today.

He explains the reason for difference amidst many similarities with one concept: A culture of fear that is prevalent in the US.

He says that in the US the fear of the other is higher and trust is lower. In Canada, social trust and cohesion are deeper. Thus, people react differently under similar threat perceptions in Canada and the US.

So, I do not believe the violence can be stopped through laws even the US government acts on it. The issue is probably much deeper, and has to do with culture and the question of positive social capital.

 

[Spring Onion]

Do not presume to lecture to Americans about being responsible gun owners, you who probably have never shoot in your life.

Whereas I have been a RESPONSIBLE gun owner since I joined the USAF back in 1983.

The reality is that mass murders via guns are actually on the DECLINE...

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/06/mass-shootings-arent-on-the-rise.html

Instead of jumping on the forum and quick to criticize US, why not take the time to actually do even basic research ?

But never mind, that was a rhetorical question.

there have been 307 mass shootings in US this year so far. Is is it less than the previous one?

 

[Piotr]

Texas shooter bought guns due to USAF’s failure to report his record
Tue Nov 7, 2017 07:39AM

The US Air Force says its failure to report the Texas shooter's criminal record had allowed him to legally buy guns and commit one of the deadliest mass shootings in US history.

Devin Patrick Kelley, a former US airman, was court-martialed for domestic violence while still on active duty in 2012 and was consequently barred from owning or buying firearms.

However, the USAF’s failure to enter his history into the national database allowed the disgraced serviceman to freely purchase a rifle last year and then use it in Sunday's attack on a small church outside San Antonio, Texas, killing 26 people.

"Initial information indicates that [Devin] Kelley's domestic violence offense was not entered into the National Criminal Information Center database by the Holloman Air Force Base Office of Special Investigations," the USAF said in a statement.

Heather Wilson, the Air Force secretary, and General David Goldfein, the Air Force chief of staff, had ordered the Air Force inspector general to “conduct a complete review of the Kelley case,” the statement read.

Law enforcement officials said Kelley’s rage towards his wife and her family might have been the real motives behind the attack.

Apparently, Kelley had chosen the First Baptist Church as his target because his most recent wife’s mother was a member there. She was not there at the time of the attack.

“This was not racially motivated. It wasn’t over religious beliefs. It was a domestic situation going on,” Freeman Martin, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety, said.

In addition to his court-martial, Kelley had also been investigated on a rape complaint, but no charges were filed against him.

The deadly mass shooting and President Donald Trump’s refusal to blame it on lack of gun control has once again sparked gun regulation debates in the US.

“I think that mental health is your problem here,” Trump, who is on a 12-day Asian tour, told reporters in Japan. “This was a very, based on preliminary reports, very deranged individual.”

That is not what former President Barack Obama thinks. Expressing solidarity with the victims’ families, Obama called for “concrete steps” to reduce the violence.

Source: http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2017/11/07/541292/US-Air-Force-Texas-church-shooting-Kelley

So unprofessional US Military is partially to blame.

 

[Daniel808]

Do not presume to lecture to Americans about being responsible gun owners, you who probably have never shoot in your life.

Whereas I have been a RESPONSIBLE gun owner since I joined the USAF back in 1983.

The reality is that mass murders via guns are actually on the DECLINE...

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2014/06/mass-shootings-arent-on-the-rise.html

Instead of jumping on the forum and quick to criticize US, why not take the time to actually do even basic research ?

But never mind, that was a rhetorical question.

Do u Americans? Okay never mind.

Shooting lol? Shooting is like playing Dice for me
But that's all, I am not a little Kids that trying to show up and trying to make other people belief your Real life in an internet forum.

Bla bla bla..you can say, you join USAF since 1940s and join world war 2 in pacific. But I still don't care about it.
Anyone can become anything in an Internet Forum.
But what I learn from my friend, that do service in Air Force and Navy, they trying to hide it, and only say that if necessary, moreover in internet forum Big NO to say their real identity.

Not like a member in here, who almost in every post he has trying to convince other people that he is Joined armed forces, air forces bla bla bla lol
The one that make claim they rich, have ... experience in internet forum, mostly only a nerd kids in front of their computer.
no offence to anybody, okay


Anyway, you still not answer my question about "Responsibility"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2017_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

Michael Moore compares Canada and the US. Many similarities: Diversity, exposure to media, and high gun ownership (ratio).

Yet, the US is way ahead of Canada in gun-related violence. I believe it is now even worse today.

He explains the reason for difference amidst many similarities with one concept: A culture of fear.

He says that in the US there the fear of the other is higher and trust is lower. In Canada, social trust and cohesion are deeper. Thus, people react differently under similar threat perceptions in Canada and the US.

So, I do not believe the violence can be stopped through laws even the US government acts on it. The issue is probably much deeper, and has to do with culture and positive social capital.

Nice research, bro
Yeah, Canada is good example for American mass shooting problem in recent years.

The mass shooting in america land who become a Big problem in recent years, is Deeply a Culture and Social Problematic that very acute and need massive change. If they want to end this Big Problem

 

[TaiShang]

Not like a member in here, who almost in every post he has trying to convince other people that he is Joined armed forces, air forces bla bla bla lol
The one that make claim they rich, have ... experience in internet forum, mostly only a nerd kids in front of their computer.
no offence to anybody, okay

It is a psychological condition that requires professional help.

On the Internet, people often boast and repeatedly and, without invitation, create imaginary personalities. Personal traits and talents that they lack but in greatest need in order to achieve satisfaction and fullness.

Treat the present case as one that may deserve sympathy, at best, or ignorance at the most pragmatic way.

There may be more than one such unfulfilled personalities.

***

Nice research, bro
Yeah, Canada is good example for American mass shooting problem in recent years.

The mass shooting in america land who become a Big problem in recent years, is Deeply a Culture and Social Problematic that very acute and need massive change. If they want to end this Big Problem

They will likely find a way that suits best to their own national conditions, apathy being one of the solutions. And I think it will continue as the new normal for a while. People will be more socialized into accepting it.

 

[gambit]

Do u Americans? Okay never mind.

Shooting lol? Shooting is like playing Dice for me
But that's all, I am not a little Kids that trying to show up and trying to make other people belief your Real life in an internet forum.

Bla bla bla..you can say, you join USAF since 1940s and join world war 2 in pacific. But I still don't care about it.
Anyone can become anything in an Internet Forum.
But what I learn from my friend, that do service in Air Force and Navy, they trying to hide it, and only say that if necessary, moreover in internet forum Big NO to say their real identity.

Not like a member in here, who almost in every post he has trying to convince other people that he is Joined armed forces, air forces bla bla bla lol
The one that make claim they rich, have ... experience in internet forum, mostly only a nerd kids in front of their computer.
no offence to anybody, okay

So essentially, you know nothing about guns other than it go 'bang'.

Right...Do give US advice on how to design the next space vehicle.

Anyway, you still not answer my question about "Responsibility"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2017_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

You know nothing about the meaning of the word 'responsibility'.

A society cannot progress unless it does one thing: statistics.

That is record keeping and analyses.

The vast majority of gun deaths in America are from suicides.

The average American is more at risk from gun violence in cities than in rural and suburbia. And even so, only in certain parts of the city that are infested with gangs.

The average American is more at risk from petty personal crimes or property theft than from gun violence.

Most police officers in America draw their weapons at the range, not on the street. In fact, the majority of police officers, including federal agents, complete their careers without a single street shooting. Not even once.

Most Americans do not own firearms.

American farmers and ranchers use their rifles more in defense of livestock than for self.

These statistics are PUBLIC information. Anyone, including ignorant foreigners, can find them.

For example...

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-crime-statistics-released
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

So for the fact that gun ownership is protected by law and availability of firearms, we are more responsible than you think.

Maybe if you work as hard at doing basic research as you are at jumping to conclusion, you would not look so foolish.

Your ID has pretty restrictive gun laws. Maybe it is YOU who are not so responsible.

 

[Daniel808]

It is a psychological condition that requires professional help.

On the Internet, people often boast and repeatedly and, without invitation, create imaginary personalities. Personal traits and talents that they lack but in greatest need in order to achieve satisfaction and fullness.

Treat the present case as one that may deserve sympathy, at best, or ignorance at the most pragmatic way.

There may be more than one such unfulfilled personalities.

***



They will likely find a way that suits best to their own national conditions, apathy being one of the solutions. And I think it will continue as the new normal for a while. People will be more socialized into accepting it.

Yeah, How typical.
My friend in Air Force and Navy always never tell their Real Identity in Internet forum.

He trying to convince other people in almost every of post he has, that he is do service in air force, in navy, bla bla bla..
That's show us, How Insecure he is
and why he feel insecure? because his real life is not like what he boasting in Internet forum.
Every people that learn Basic Psychology will know that
no offence to anybody, okay.


Those Americans need to solve their problematic problem about "mass shooting" for sure.
If not, this mass shooting only become like annual event in every year, oh no every season maybe.

So essentially, you know nothing about guns other than it go 'bang'.

Right...Do give US advice on how to design the next space vehicle.

Again..you still miss the point

 

[gambit]

Again..you still miss the point

You had none worth debating. You avoided the statistics because they do not support your contention that Americans are irresponsible with firearms.

Due to geography, the US is as diverse in sub-cultures as Asia, Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. There are plenty of stories on how foreigners being tourists in America asked NYC cab drivers to take them to Disney World in Florida, thinking the place is only an hr's drive away.

So for a country as geographically large and as culturally diverse as the US, you cannot take events and experience in one part of one city in one state and assign that experience as the norm for the rest of the country. It is intellectually dishonest and misleading. Other peoples in other countries protests to stereotyping of their countries and most likely you would have no problems with their objections. So why are you refusing the same benefit of the doubts for Americans ? Because you are not interested in debating the issue in an adult manner.

 

[TaiShang]

Yeah, How typical.
My friend in Air Force and Navy always never tell their Real Identity in Internet forum.

He trying to convince other people in almost every of post he has, that he is do service in air force, in navy, bla bla bla..
That's show us, How Insecure he is
and why he feel insecure? because his real life is not like what he boasting in Internet forum.
Every people that learn Basic Psychology will know that
no offence to anybody, okay.

This is not to be offensive, indeed.

Perhaps we need to be even more understanding. People find different ways to vent out their heartbreaks, frustrations, non-accomplishments...

Some pick up drawing, some pick up writing short stories. Some even pick up learning a new language in which they expose their hidden desires and create complete self with no shortcomings that exist in their real life.

And some pick up the internet to create what they lack in real life.

This is nonetheless, a harmless undertaking. In some rare cases, as in the OP of this thread, it may go insane and result in social catastrophes.

Each of these cases, however, is clinical. Some are more traumatic, some less.