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[Zarvan]

Nah.. That is historical revision. Although I am a supporter of Imran but he is dead wrong on both counts.

Mush was right in both cases. FATA was/is a backward and lawless area with weird social customs that allowed terrorists to seek refuge and mingle with local population. It was a breeding ground of terrorism . Bringing them to 20th century was important.

Akbar Bugti was an anti-state rapist warlord that had to be eliminated sooner or later.



Incorrect.

Taliban are not invincible and to be honest never were. I don't know what is wrong with certain class of Pakistanis who salivate at the thought of them.
If US really wanted to win , they could have easily destroyed whole pashtun belt(both in Afghanistan and FATA region). The fact that they didn't tells us that they had other priorities which could be explained here.

Also , the policy of supporting Afghan Taliban can best be described as inconclusive. There is no guarantee that Afghan Taliban won't turn against us. They haven't accepted Durand line. There is evidence that they didn't take action against anti-Pakistan forces living with them. There is also evidence that some members of Afghan taliban did participate in anti pakistan activities.

No matter my support to IK but he is a pashtun chavunist. He has literally written books on Pashtun Chauvinism and supported Pashtun master race theory. You put that in perspective and one can understand why he vehemently supported those thugs in FATA belt... It was only after APS 2014 that he had to dial down , his terrorist apologist behavior.

Musharraf was dead wrong on both fronts. Musharraf mishandled FATA and Baluchistan and we are still facing war due to his pathetic disastrous policies. His policies are the very reason why 70000 lost their lives. His policies gave birth to monsters like TTP and BLA and BRA.

You mean the same stand he had on the TTP and the Balochi Terrorists as well? Imagine had we towed his line. He is no sage.

Your entire Army leadership was against standing with USA after 9/11 and taking U turn except for Musharraf and Imran was the first one to point out entering FATA like Musharraf was doing in 2003 would be a disaster and yes was proven right. We have 70000 people dead and still war is going on. Still we loose soldiers in FATA and now also facing PTM

 

[krash]

Your entire Army leadership was against standing with USA after 9/11 and taking U turn except for Musharraf

The situation was a very complicated one. The Pakistani military played an equally complicated hand, played it very well. Did we need to afford the US all that we did? Not in my opinion.

and Imran was the first one to point out entering FATA like Musharraf was doing in 2003 would be a disaster and yes was proven right. We have 70000 people dead and still war is going on. Still we loose soldiers in FATA and now also facing PTM

Are you then advising, like Imran Khan, that we should have left FATA and areas only a spitting distance from Islamabad under two-bit mercenaries? To forfeit claim over sovereign Pakistani land and surrender Pakistanis to foreign funded swine? You have demanded Jihad for far less at the LOC. Don't kid yourself, this fight was coming one way or the other. If it comes to it, those loyal to Pakistan will be willing to lay down another 70,000 lives.

 

[IceCold]

Tomato tomato.



"You lot"? That's rich. Take your groupie-ism elsewhere.

IK's stand on the Taliban was based on absolute nonsense. He was never "proven right", far from it. Just because it's the moment for your broken clock to be right does not mean you start celebrating its folly as sagely foresight.

There is no group as far as I am concerned. As for his stance on taliban, neither he nor I need a certificate from a no body what matters is what the world thinks specifically the US who never shy before to accuse Pakistan of double standards and do more mantra specifically in days of previous governments of Nawaz and zardari when Pakistan was the favorite whipping boy of the west.
PM Khan stood on his stance from day 1. Now the world thinks the same. You can "crymeariver" elsewhere.

 

[Zarvan]

The situation was a very complicated one. The Pakistani military played an equally complicated hand, played it very well. Did we need to afford the US all that we did? Not in my opinion.



Are you then advising, like Imran Khan, that we should have left FATA and areas only a spitting distance from Islamabad under two-bit mercenaries? To forfeit claim over sovereign Pakistani land and surrender Pakistanis to foreign funded swine? You have demanded Jihad for far less at the LOC. Don't kid yourself, this fight was coming one way or the other. If it comes to it, those loyal to Pakistan will be willing to lay down another 70,000 lives.

No we should not have left FATA alone. But there were hundred other ways of handling things than using Artillery and Tanks. Trust me problem was very limited initially but operations led to birth of TTP and than got boosted the way you entered FATA and did first 3 years of operations. Finally boost came with Lal Masjid operation which turned TTP into biggest monster which even today is refusing to die. And now we are facing PTM. Sorry but PTM also the result of policies adopted by Musharraf

 

[pakpride00090]

There is no group as far as I am concerned. As for his stance on taliban, neither he nor I need a certificate from a no body what matters is what the world thinks specifically the US who never shy before to accuse Pakistan of double standards and do more mantra specifically in days of previous governments of Nawaz and zardari when Pakistan was the favorite whipping boy of the west.
PM Khan stood on his stance from day 1. Now the world thinks the same. You can "crymeariver" elsewhere.

Wrong conclusion.

PM Khan turned out right because of different reason. ISI was secretly working against US interest and supporting Taliban while the Pakistani state and army overtly supported US. Gen Durrani spoke about this in his book and TV interviews and none other than Musharraf was the one who formulated this policy.

Musharraf was dead wrong on both fronts. Musharraf mishandled FATA and Baluchistan and we are still facing war due to his pathetic disastrous policies. His policies are the very reason why 70000 lost their lives. His policies gave birth to monsters like TTP and BLA and BRA.


Your entire Army leadership was against standing with USA after 9/11 and taking U turn except for Musharraf and Imran was the first one to point out entering FATA like Musharraf was doing in 2003 would be a disaster and yes was proven right. We have 70000 people dead and still war is going on. Still we loose soldiers in FATA and now also facing PTM

Musharaaf saved 0.7 million or perhaps even 7 million lives. He saved Pakistan from US invasion and possible robbing of nuclear assets and/or heavy sanctions. You should be thanking him after all he was the one who started double dealing with the Americans. Even Gen Durrani talked about it.

Baloch problem would have been solved if we had opening camps like the ones in Xinjiang. Too many aimless and brainwashed youth under the control of sardars. Heavy killing and couple of years of rehabilitation with employment opportunities would have solved this matter. Musharraf did the first part right but couldn't carry out the other part because he was kicked out. No powerful nation can ever allow separatists to survive even if they belonged to same race and religion.

FATA problem also required some heavy handed killing and xinjiang model camps.

Both of these areas were backward and lawless with incredibly low levels of literacy and immense poverty, not to mention weird customs and culture.

Imran should keep out of things he knows little about ... Calling 'OBL" shaheed lol.... Even if he believed that , should have kept in his heart rather than blurting it out infront of the world.

 

[IceCold]

PM Khan turned out right because of different reason. ISI was secretly working against US interest and supporting Taliban while the Pakistani state and army overtly supported US. Gen Durrani spoke about this in his book and TV interviews and none other than Musharraf was the one who formulated this policy.

You can twist it how you like but the fact is after spending trillions US came to same conclusion that there is no military solution to the conflict. This is what IK said all those years while people labeled him taliban Khan and what not. And you are still doing the same as is the moderator chap.
PS isn't Asad Durrani the same guy who was found guilty of violating military code of conduct. If you want to make a point about isi involvement against the Americans, at least use a not so controversial source like Gen Durrani.

 

[pakpride00090]

No we should not have left FATA alone. But there were hundred other ways of handling things than using Artillery and Tanks. Trust me problem was very limited initially but operations led to birth of TTP and than got boosted the way you entered FATA and did first 3 years of operations. Finally boost came with Lal Masjid operation which turned TTP into biggest monster which even today is refusing to die. And now we are facing PTM. Sorry but PTM also the result of policies adopted by Musharraf

My only regret is that Mush didn't come hard on Lal Masjid miscreants.

FATA was a lawless , hot bed of terrorists and still is to this date despite significant achievements. That lawless place should have never been left alone.

Mush did good. The only problem was that he half-assed things.

You can twist it how you like but the fact is after spending trillions US came to same conclusion that there is no military solution to the conflict. This is what IK said all those years while people labeled him taliban Khan and what not. And you are still doing the same as is the moderator chap.
PS isn't Asad Durrani the same guy who was found guilty of violating military code of conduct. If you want to make a point about isi involvement against the Americans, at least use a not so controversial source like Gen Durrani.

Nah..Military solution would have worked had US went in with all guns blazing and most importantly with full intention of winning...

Also, support of Afghan Taliban from our side made it very difficult for americans to operate safely. You should be glad that Mush fooled Americans otherwise worse could have had happened.

Khan is not quite right in his assessment. Defeat of US happened because of other reasons , not because Taliban or Afghanistan is undefeatable.