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Assessing our defence needs : Retd lieutenant colonel Pakistan Army
Published August 13, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: The Express Tribune

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The Express Tribune, on July 24, published a report titled “Defence Deal: Pakistan to buy eight submarines from China”, believed to be “the largest-ever defence deal China has agreed to with any country”. Two sources are quoted in the report, the UK-based Financial Times, which cites a retired senior official claiming that the contract could be worth $4 billion to $5 billion, and Pakistan’s finance ministry that has stated that payments to China will be made in four installments, with the submarines being delivered to Pakistan in the coming years.

Pakistan Navy’s 10 per cent share in this year’s defence budget of Rs700.2 billion is a reflection of the country’s geography which is primarily not maritime, explaining the continued low percentage allocated for the navy in the defence budget over the years. Pakistan shares and defends 6,774kms of land borders with its neighbours, whereas it has only 1,064km of coastline to safeguard and protect. In contrast, India has to defend 7,515km of coastline. This highlights the kind of military threat there is, which in the case of Pakistan, has always been considered to be ‘landscape and not seascape specific’. Why, then, is there a need for purchasing these ‘submerged offensive war machines’ when our military fights and is most likely to continue to fight, both with regular and irregular forces, mainly on land?

Currently, India has one nuclear-powered submarine, Chakra-Akulla 2 (under 10 years lease from Russia since 2012) and 14 diesel electric submarines, one of which exploded and sank on August 14, 2013. Pakistan boasts of eight submarines — none of which are nuclear-capable in their naval services (French-supplied PNS Hashmat, Hurmat, Khalid, Saad and Hamza, as well as three midget submarines for shallow water attacks). Reportedly, India in an attempt to upgrade its navy, is expected to acquire six more submarines by the end of this decade. So is the likely Pakistani submarine purchase from China an attempt to balance naval power with India? And is this something that we need to do?

Ideally, Pakistan should also be seeking a nuclear-powered submarine on lease from China, on the same lines as India has acquired from Russia. The imbalance of naval power against our archrival is not in the fewer number of submarines that we have in service, but having none that are nuclear-capable.

With the American pivot towards Asia-Pacific, the Indian and Pacific Oceans in the coming days and years are likely to be cluttered with over- and sub-surface military machines. China plans to expand its submarine fleet to 78 by the year 2020, which will bring it on a par with the existing submarine fleet size of the United States. By 2050, China also plans to add nine aircraft carriers to its naval fleet. Do we need to enhance our naval offensive capability when the Indian Navy is apparently trying to maintain a military balance with China? We also give China the status of our ‘ultimate protector’ at sea, which maintains a two-ocean navy (Western Pacific and Indian Oceans). As we enjoy an informal but dependable military alliance with China, a great naval power, that vouches to defend our interests, should enhancement of our sub-surface offensive capability still be a military priority?

China provides us with a good example of how the type of naval battles it foresees has enabled it to arm and structure its navy with only the most essential and effective naval battle tools. Implementing an ‘anti-access strategy’, China, despite being a global naval power, showcases only one aircraft carrier that Americans describe as a “refitted Russian-Ukrainian piece of junk” that is “more of an amphibious war ship than an American size carrier”. But China has balanced this against the naval threat it faces from its enemies by investing in its land-based anti-ship ballistic missiles, threatening all the intruding surface warships at long ranges. It has also tested its prototype J-20 stealth fighter, which rivals the American F-22 Raptor (the world’s only operational stealth fighter). It’s not only by reaching out but also by planning a defensive shield that China plans to fight its future naval battles.

Battles at sea have never been our hot military frontline. All the previous wars that we fought with India were lost or stalemated into ceasefire on the ground as an extension of both countries’ efficient and effective land and air warfare. Naval engagements in the past have been small and insignificant when compared to the massive land engagements that took place and the losses suffered by both countries in terms of men and material.

In all likelihood, our military will continue to remain engaged in fighting small irregular battles, proxy wars, and at best, limited wars. In any case, there seems to be a very low probability of an India-Pakistan conflict dominated by or limited to the naval realm.

Shouldn’t the question of military purchases be answered by the type of wars that we are preparing ourselves to fight in the future? We could go ahead and acquire a new Gerald R Ford class aircraft carrier at the cost of $12 billion, but does the defence of Pakistan warrant such a purchase and at what cost? Backbreaking poverty that countries like India and Pakistan experience is a result of increased militarism. It’s only by prioritising our defence procurements and matching them with our vital defence needs that we can achieve a sound defence, as well as economic growth, which is so essential for poverty eradication.
 
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Assessing our defence needs : Retd lieutenant colonel Pakistan Army
Published August 13, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: The Express Tribune

Pakistan-to-buy-eight-submarines-from-China.jpg


The Express Tribune, on July 24, published a report titled “Defence Deal: Pakistan to buy eight submarines from China”, believed to be “the largest-ever defence deal China has agreed to with any country”. Two sources are quoted in the report, the UK-based Financial Times, which cites a retired senior official claiming that the contract could be worth $4 billion to $5 billion, and Pakistan’s finance ministry that has stated that payments to China will be made in four installments, with the submarines being delivered to Pakistan in the coming years.

Pakistan Navy’s 10 per cent share in this year’s defence budget of Rs700.2 billion is a reflection of the country’s geography which is primarily not maritime, explaining the continued low percentage allocated for the navy in the defence budget over the years. Pakistan shares and defends 6,774kms of land borders with its neighbours, whereas it has only 1,064km of coastline to safeguard and protect. In contrast, India has to defend 7,515km of coastline. This highlights the kind of military threat there is, which in the case of Pakistan, has always been considered to be ‘landscape and not seascape specific’. Why, then, is there a need for purchasing these ‘submerged offensive war machines’ when our military fights and is most likely to continue to fight, both with regular and irregular forces, mainly on land?

Currently, India has one nuclear-powered submarine, Chakra-Akulla 2 (under 10 years lease from Russia since 2012) and 14 diesel electric submarines, one of which exploded and sank on August 14, 2013. Pakistan boasts of eight submarines — none of which are nuclear-capable in their naval services (French-supplied PNS Hashmat, Hurmat, Khalid, Saad and Hamza, as well as three midget submarines for shallow water attacks). Reportedly, India in an attempt to upgrade its navy, is expected to acquire six more submarines by the end of this decade. So is the likely Pakistani submarine purchase from China an attempt to balance naval power with India? And is this something that we need to do?

Ideally, Pakistan should also be seeking a nuclear-powered submarine on lease from China, on the same lines as India has acquired from Russia. The imbalance of naval power against our archrival is not in the fewer number of submarines that we have in service, but having none that are nuclear-capable.

With the American pivot towards Asia-Pacific, the Indian and Pacific Oceans in the coming days and years are likely to be cluttered with over- and sub-surface military machines. China plans to expand its submarine fleet to 78 by the year 2020, which will bring it on a par with the existing submarine fleet size of the United States. By 2050, China also plans to add nine aircraft carriers to its naval fleet. Do we need to enhance our naval offensive capability when the Indian Navy is apparently trying to maintain a military balance with China? We also give China the status of our ‘ultimate protector’ at sea, which maintains a two-ocean navy (Western Pacific and Indian Oceans). As we enjoy an informal but dependable military alliance with China, a great naval power, that vouches to defend our interests, should enhancement of our sub-surface offensive capability still be a military priority?

China provides us with a good example of how the type of naval battles it foresees has enabled it to arm and structure its navy with only the most essential and effective naval battle tools. Implementing an ‘anti-access strategy’, China, despite being a global naval power, showcases only one aircraft carrier that Americans describe as a “refitted Russian-Ukrainian piece of junk” that is “more of an amphibious war ship than an American size carrier”. But China has balanced this against the naval threat it faces from its enemies by investing in its land-based anti-ship ballistic missiles, threatening all the intruding surface warships at long ranges. It has also tested its prototype J-20 stealth fighter, which rivals the American F-22 Raptor (the world’s only operational stealth fighter). It’s not only by reaching out but also by planning a defensive shield that China plans to fight its future naval battles.

Battles at sea have never been our hot military frontline. All the previous wars that we fought with India were lost or stalemated into ceasefire on the ground as an extension of both countries’ efficient and effective land and air warfare. Naval engagements in the past have been small and insignificant when compared to the massive land engagements that took place and the losses suffered by both countries in terms of men and material.

In all likelihood, our military will continue to remain engaged in fighting small irregular battles, proxy wars, and at best, limited wars. In any case, there seems to be a very low probability of an India-Pakistan conflict dominated by or limited to the naval realm.

Shouldn’t the question of military purchases be answered by the type of wars that we are preparing ourselves to fight in the future? We could go ahead and acquire a new Gerald R Ford class aircraft carrier at the cost of $12 billion, but does the defence of Pakistan warrant such a purchase and at what cost? Backbreaking poverty that countries like India and Pakistan experience is a result of increased militarism. It’s only by prioritising our defence procurements and matching them with our vital defence needs that we can achieve a sound defence, as well as economic growth, which is so essential for poverty eradication.

typical army mentality of some officers who don't value the roles of the navy and airforce.
 
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The title says it all.
Retd Lt Col of the PA.....
I support Navy and I think we need much bigger Navy in fact our Navy should be at least of the size which Turkey has right now if not bigger one. As for Air Force we need to have around 540 Fighter Jets and also need multi layered Air Defense systems. As for Army till now they are good because of our beloved enemy right now is not in good position weather its their Tanks or Artillery or other weapon systems but we need to improve economy fast so we can massively increase our Defence Budget.
 
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I agree with the author to some degree. For a country like Pakistan, which has a Defence Budgetr of 7 Billion USD facing an enemy with a Defence Budget of 40 Billion USD, we have to Prioritize our Defence Procurement.

There will never be a perfect mix here that will get things right. However, our Naval Assets are woefully lacking a deterrent Punch and the 8 Submarines will go a long way in keeping IN at bay.

All we can do is to do the best we can under very challenging circumstances, as there will always be a shortfall between what we need and what we can afford to buy.
 
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What is interesting here is the overt dependence on China as a naval force to counter India.Friends are good to have, but self reliance is basic need.
China is not the answer to all your woes.
 
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While I do think the navy's role is far more important than our dear author suggests, when he says "Backbreaking poverty that countries like India and Pakistan experience is a result of increased militarism", I have to completely agree.

Once this war is over, the budget should be reduced to a more reasonable level. There is no need to over spend. I'm not saying that new acquisitions should not be made, or R&D should be thrown out, rather, other sectors require a higher priority.

The last thing Pakistan needs is to become a military obsessed North Korea. With nuclear weapons, Pakistan can afford to forgo short term plans, delay minor (and some major) acquisitions, and instead go for long term options; though, this is only if Pakistan is relatively terror free, or the war has ended.
 
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While I do think the navy's role is far more important than our dear author suggests, when he says "Backbreaking poverty that countries like India and Pakistan experience is a result of increased militarism", I have to completely agree.

Once this war is over, the budget should be reduced to a more reasonable level. There is no need to over spend. I'm not saying that new acquisitions should not be made, or R&D should be thrown out, rather, other sectors require a higher priority.

The last thing Pakistan needs is to become a military obsessed North Korea. With nuclear weapons, Pakistan can afford to forgo short term plans, delay minor (and some major) acquisitions, and instead go for long term options; though, this is only if Pakistan is relatively terror free, or the war has ended.


I agree with you but right now Pakistan is facing an existential threat and we must to do what needs to be done to maintain the integrity and sovreignity of Pakistan.
 
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military threat there is, which in the case of Pakistan, has always been considered to be ‘landscape and not seascape specific’. Why, then, is there a need for purchasing these ‘submerged offensive war machines’ when our military fights and is most likely to continue to fight, both with regular and irregular forces, mainly on land?

lol who will save Karachi/Gwadar if they get engulfed.


It has also tested its prototype J-20 stealth fighter, which rivals the American F-22 Raptor

Stopped reading after this , he is just a fanboy. The guy has a history of useless critique.No wonder he gets space on a trash paper like ET.

Some glaring examples


why did army go for 23rd march parade when we have wars to fight.
Of parades and operations - The Express Tribune

Or a total panic reaction of getting boots on the ground from all around.
Another bellicose neighbour - The Express Tribune
 
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The title says it all.
Retd Lt Col of the PA.....
I think we have inherited this trait from the Mughals... They were also not very keen with developing a navy...

Navy has historically been treated as a neglected orphan .... But the subs etc are a positive ... Hope we remain on track ... develop the PN.. Into a powerful and modern fighting machine...:tup:
 
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I think we have inherited this trait from the Mughals... They were also not very keen with developing a navy...

Navy has historically been treated as a neglected orphan .... But the subs etc are a positive ... Hope we remain on track ... develop the PN.. Into a powerful and modern fighting machine...:tup:
India is looking to have of 200 ships in near future even if 70 are bigger Ships like Destroyers and Frigates and Corvettes than we are in big trouble we need a Navy which Turkey has right now by 2025 which is also backed by 3 suqadrons of Fighter Jets. Other wise our future is very bleak.
 
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If not more 5 to 10 new ships shoe bought in past we never had good battle at sea but this time IN will be more active to attack pak deep from coast lines with fighter jets and nuke subs if our navy fail at sea and IN with marines enter in karachi gwadar we will loose war cant defend from both sides

Naval role is now more important than before
 
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