ASRAAM vs MICA

[Ankit Kumar]

Hi and greetings to all.
I decided to create this thread when i was just surfing the net and I came across an article about a deal between UK and India about procuring of ASRAAM Air-2-Air missiles.
Similarly we are buying MICA for our upgraded Mirage 2000 aircrafts.

If we look at both ASRAAM and MICA both have following similarities .
1. Both manufactured by MBDA.
2. Similar operational range.
3. Similar working mechanisms(like detonation etc)
4. Both have similar guidance systems.

Now my question is if both of the missiles can serve the same purpose, why ordering two of them and that too from the same manufacturer?

If at all I am wrong I stand to be corrected.

For basic
MICA (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ASRAAM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ankit Kumar]

@FrenchPilot @PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @Blue Marlin @mike2000 is back

 

[cirr]

My question is why India can't make its own damn air-2-air missiles？？？

 

[Echo_419]

My question is why India can't make its own damn air-2-air missiles？？？

We are making one -Astra

 

[Joseph Goebbels]

Hi and greetings to all.
I decided to create this thread when i was just surfing the net and I came across an article about a deal between UK and India about procuring of ASRAAM Air-2-Air missiles.
Similarly we are buying MICA for our upgraded Mirage 2000 aircrafts.

If we look at both ASRAAM and MICA both have following similarities .
1. Both manufactured by MBDA.
2. Similar operational range.
3. Similar working mechanisms(like detonation etc)
4. Both have similar guidance systems.

Now my question is if both of the missiles can serve the same purpose, why ordering two of them and that too from the same manufacturer?

If at all I am wrong I stand to be corrected.

For basic
MICA (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ASRAAM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

maybe for armed version of Hawk trainer .

 

[Ankit Kumar]

@cirr
Let me remind you some things.
The PL8 you use is a licence copy of Israeli Python 3 and you still use it.
The PL5 is based on AA2 and you still use it.
The PL7 is based on R550 Magic of France and you still use it.
Your PL12 still uses Russian Seekers.
The PL 10 Is AIM 7 sparrow based.


On the other hand India is developing Astra BVR missile which uses Russian Seeker.
You see there is not much difference.


The point being not to look down upon China. But its just an reply to unwanted one liner.

@Other Chinese members we appreciate your achievements but this does not mean that any one can look down upon us.

Both will replace Magic Matra .
Only difference being one in Jaguar other in Mirage 2000.

maybe for armed version of Hawk trainer .

@Perpendicular @Water Car Engineer @MilSpec @AUSTERLITZ @SpArK @knight11

 

[calmDown@all]

Hi and greetings to all.
I decided to create this thread when i was just surfing the net and I came across an article about a deal between UK and India about procuring of ASRAAM Air-2-Air missiles.
Similarly we are buying MICA for our upgraded Mirage 2000 aircrafts.

If we look at both ASRAAM and MICA both have following similarities .
1. Both manufactured by MBDA.
2. Similar operational range.
3. Similar working mechanisms(like detonation etc)
4. Both have similar guidance systems.

Now my question is if both of the missiles can serve the same purpose, why ordering two of them and that too from the same manufacturer?

If at all I am wrong I stand to be corrected.

For basic
MICA (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ASRAAM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

bhaijjan i think it might give some help
It is a replacement for both the Super 530, in the interception role, and the Magic II, in the dogfighting role.
& for asraam (The project started as a British-German collaboration in the 1980s. It was part of a wider agreement in which the US would develop the AIM-120 AMRAAM for long-range use, while the ASRAAM would replace the Sidewinder with a design that would cover the great range disparity between Sidewinder and AMRAAM. Germany left the program after examining the latest Soviet designs of the 1980s, deciding that a missile with far greater short-range maneuverability was more important than range.)

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Hi and greetings to all.
I decided to create this thread when i was just surfing the net and I came across an article about a deal between UK and India about procuring of ASRAAM Air-2-Air missiles.
Similarly we are buying MICA for our upgraded Mirage 2000 aircrafts.

If we look at both ASRAAM and MICA both have following similarities .
1. Both manufactured by MBDA.
2. Similar operational range.
3. Similar working mechanisms(like detonation etc)
4. Both have similar guidance systems.

Now my question is if both of the missiles can serve the same purpose, why ordering two of them and that too from the same manufacturer?

If at all I am wrong I stand to be corrected.

For basic
MICA (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ASRAAM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ASRAAM and MICA

Length and Diameter
ASRAAM
L= 2900 mm
D=166 mm

MICA
L=3100 mm
D=160 mm

Maximum Engagement Range
ASRAAM 50Km
MICA 80Km (wiki says 50 Km but its much more than that)

Agility
ASRAAM 50G @ Mach 3
MICA 50G @ Mach 4

Lethality
ASRAAM Greatest lethality probably goes to the ASRAAM, which actually punches beneath an aircraft's skin before exploding inside, if that weren't enough it is also able to actually target the enemy's cockpit through the capabilities conveyed by it's advanced high resolution IIR seeker. The ASRAAM (Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile) is designed by MBDA for within visual range (WVR) combat missions for the Royal Air Force (RAF).

The MICA system includes two variants - MICA (EM) RF featuring an active radio frequency seeker and MICA IR featuring a dual waveband imaging infrared seeker to defeat enemy counter measures. A surface-launched version, named VL MICA, is also available for use by naval or ground-based air defence systems. The MICA is fitted with a focused splinters HE warhead and is compatible with any advanced fighter aircraft. Its lightweight and compact dimensions allow for integration of up to six missiles on medium to lightweight fighters.

Warhead
ASRAAM - 10Kg
MICA - 12Kg

Indian Jets usese
ASRAAM - Jaguars
MICA- Mirages

Source from different sites except wikipedia

One final point
IAF have termed the ASRAAM as NGCCM or Next Generation Close Combat Missile while MICA is called BVR
ASRAAM has a low altitude range of 25kms which increases to 50 kms at mid altitudes. MICA has a claimed range of 80kms at mid altitudes and it is 112.5kgs in weight and 3.1m long with wings and fins. ASRAAM has only fins and dual pulse motor to compensate for TVC for end game. ASRAAM by its design is clearly longer ranged among all other missiles but shorter in range than MICA.


@FrenchPilot @Abingdonboy

 

[knight11]

Hi and greetings to all.
I decided to create this thread when i was just surfing the net and I came across an article about a deal between UK and India about procuring of ASRAAM Air-2-Air missiles.
Similarly we are buying MICA for our upgraded Mirage 2000 aircrafts.

If we look at both ASRAAM and MICA both have following similarities .
1. Both manufactured by MBDA.
2. Similar operational range.
3. Similar working mechanisms(like detonation etc)
4. Both have similar guidance systems.

Now my question is if both of the missiles can serve the same purpose, why ordering two of them and that too from the same manufacturer?

If at all I am wrong I stand to be corrected.

For basic
MICA (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ASRAAM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Few Points

1.. IAF loves R73 for WVR, and MICA IR/RF for BVR.

2 Problem is that Jaguar could be not be equipped with R73 because it uses western Radar, niether it have IR Sensors. My preference would be Python 4/5 with Elta M/2032 MMR.

3. IAF praise MICA IR/RF even more than r77, but problem is that it could only be used in Mirrage 2000, and it is very costly weapon. Advantage of MICA IR, it can be used as the IR sensors, while on board. Second with 13 surface control, this missile is damn agile, third it have one of the superior proximity fuse making is very lethal.

4. MICA though have lesser range on paper but have better CCM than other BVR. With CCM means low minimum range.

5. You are doing wrong comparison, actually it should be MICA IR/RF vs Derby/Python
And yes both are over the sholder missile means capable of shooting 6 O clock target.


So my vote for MICA- python 5 combination first is bvr but could be used as wvr, and second is wvr, but is almost BVR. For long range Astra-2. That will be more economical.

 

[Bad Guy]

My question is why India can't make its own damn air-2-air missiles？？？

We have made, successfully tested and now looking ahead for induction.
Astra (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Joseph Goebbels]

Dont know anything about such missiles but can some member please tell me what air to air missiles we have and what are there ranges ?

 

[Blue Marlin]

the asraam or the aim-132 is a short range missile that was made to replace the aim-9 sidewinder.
the mica is a medium range missile. also the asraams will be on the jaguars only whilst the mica will be on the rafale and possibly the mk2's. so the overlap in capability and platforms was a good reason.
in terms of which one is best? well there both there for differant reasons.

Few Points

1.. IAF loves R73 for WVR, and MICA IR/RF for BVR.

2 Problem is that Jaguar could be not be equipped with R73 because it uses western Radar, niether it have IR Sensors. My preference would be Python 4/5 with Elta M/2032 MMR.

3. IAF praise MICA IR/RF even more than r77, but problem is that it could only be used in Mirrage 2000, and it is very costly weapon. Advantage of MICA IR, it can be used as the IR sensors, while on board. Second with 13 surface control, this missile is damn agile, third it have one of the superior proximity fuse making is very lethal.

4. MICA though have lesser range on paper but have better CCM than other BVR. With CCM means low minimum range.

5. You are doing wrong comparison, actually it should be MICA IR/RF vs Derby/Python
And yes both are over the sholder missile means capable of shooting 6 O clock target.


So my vote for MICA- python 5 combination first is bvr but could be used as wvr, and second is wvr, but is almost BVR. For long range Astra-2. That will be more economical.

mica vs derby does seem to be a better comparision. if you make the thread, tag me

 

[calmDown@all]

Dont know anything about such missiles but can some member please tell me what air to air missiles we have and what are there ranges ?

bhaijjan go to this place & you could find some stuff about it!!!
Air-to-air missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Joseph Goebbels]

bhaijjan go to this place & you could find some stuff about it!!!
Air-to-air missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

too lazy for that can you help me with it sir by posting some kind of table ?

 

[sathya]

ASRAAM said to accelerate faster at low altitude .
Since jaguar fly low with over the wing pylon, it's best suited it seems.