Asia's Prime Fighter PAF F-16

[Akasa]

The J-10s are operational but they are having pretty bad teething issues with the newer versions.

Please explain what you mean by "teething" issues. Placards and photos from the 2014 Zhuhai airshow confirm that the J-10A is capable of employing a variety of weapons; everything from satellite-guided glide bombs to SDBs to BVRAAMs. The J-10B/C, which was already tested with even newer weapons such as the PL-10 high-off boresight missile and PL-15 BVRAAM, should be even more versatile.

The thread itself is rather vague in premise, but if one was to summarize a single aircraft in Asia that meets the following

1. Highly advanced in terms of onboard systems
2. Highly Manoeuvrable in Air to Air combat
3. Equipped with advanced weaponry
4. Reliable and ready for combat.

Then the only aircraft that gets an aggregate high score in all these categories is the F-16D Block-52+ of Pakistan and Singapore and South Korea. I would have first gone with the F-15SG operated by Singapore or the F-15K but both arent as manoeuvrable in terms of their A2A capability due to being heavier variants of the F-15 even though they offset it easily with their munitions capability. Very close is the Indian upgraded Mirage-2000-5 since those are as deadly as the F-16s in certain respects and if not for my own preference for sustained energy capability rather than instantaneous.. I might have ranked the Mirage 2000 at the top.

What made you think the J-10A/B/C isn't capable of achieving what you've mentioned? Like many of the aforementioned aircraft, upgraded variants of the J-10 offer airframe enhancements resulting in weight reduction and RCS optimization, engine upgrades, AESA radars, sensor upgrades, EW/ECM refits, new cockpit displays, as well as software compatibility with next-generation weapons. Even if we ignore the technical nuances amongst these subsystems, there is no reason to believe the J-10 isn't capable of achieving what other planes of comparable upgrades can.

Other aircraft such as the J-20 are not operational as of yet, the Su-30MKI and J-11Ds are not reliable at all and so far the Rafale is not going to be in the picture for another 5 years.

What is so "unreliable" about the J-11D or Su-30MKI? The J-11D hasn't even entered service yet.

 

[fatman17]

nice pics, where'd you get them from?

If he tells you, he'd have to kill you

 

[SQ8]

Please explain what you mean by "teething" issues. Placards and photos from the 2014 Zhuhai airshow confirm that the J-10A is capable of employing a variety of weapons; everything from satellite-guided glide bombs to SDBs to BVRAAMs. The J-10B/C, which was already tested with even newer weapons such as the PL-10 high-off boresight missile and PL-15 BVRAAM, should be even more versatile.

What made you think the J-10A/B/C isn't capable of achieving what you've mentioned? Like many of the aforementioned aircraft, upgraded variants of the J-10 offer airframe enhancements resulting in weight reduction and RCS optimization, engine upgrades, AESA radars, sensor upgrades, EW/ECM refits, new cockpit displays, as well as software compatibility with next-generation weapons. Even if we ignore the technical nuances amongst these subsystems, there is no reason to believe the J-10 isn't capable of achieving what other planes of comparable upgrades can.



What is so "unreliable" about the J-11D or Su-30MKI? The J-11D hasn't even entered service yet.

Teething issues means operational performance issues. Issues in how the radar and avionics work in concert, how the engine performs and is able to be turned out in maintenance.. so on. There are not insurmountable issues, but issues that will take time to iron out before it gets to a totally reliable state.

There is still a clear gap of avionics between Chinese and western vendors which is why we constantly have requests by the Chinese to be allowed a look at our new F-16s. If nothing else, the best example is the failure of initial Chinese smartphones to match up in any way in reliability and actual performace to their western counterparts even though on the surface they looked perfectly matched.

Today's Xiaomi has finally caught up to vendors such as HTC, Motorola and LG.. after... teething issues.

As for the J-11 and Su-30.. both airframes have serious serviceability issues due to their engines and associated airframe spares. I should have written the J-11 in general since the J-11BS is only just going through the paces(and for all reports also having problems, which are still less than the J-11.. which was around the same for the Su-27SK, Su-30MKK and MK2).. the J-11D is supposed to address the reliability problems associated with the airframe and engine.

If he tells you, he'd have to kill you

What is more interesting is to where the 600 gallon tanks came from... or who made them. Since that will end up with a whole drama on our news tajziakars and moolahs.

 

[Akasa]

Teething issues means operational performance issues. Issues in how the radar and avionics work in concert, how the engine performs and is able to be turned out in maintenance.. so on. There are not insurmountable issues, but issues that will take time to iron out before it gets to a totally reliable state.

Fair enough, but what gives the idea that the J-10 is facing these problems?

There is still a clear gap of avionics between Chinese and western vendors which is why we constantly have requests by the Chinese to be allowed a look at our new F-16s.

Reviewing avionics does not necessarily mean that the Chinese are doing it for a "superior" piece of technology. Reviewing and "comparing notes" with another platform's systems is a hackneyed practice that was and is still being undertaken by almost all major entities. A great example of this is when the USAF took apart a defected MiG-25 despite having superior fighters.

That being said, the Chinese are in possession of multiple institutions, each of which produce numerous models of radars, electronics, and other related subsystems that are selected by the PLAAF following intra-corporate competition. Not many Western countries have such a vast supply chain.

If nothing else, the best example is the failure of initial Chinese smartphones to match up in any way in reliability and actual performace to their western counterparts even though on the surface they looked perfectly matched.

Today's Xiaomi has finally caught up to vendors such as HTC, Motorola and LG.. after... teething issues.

Even though chip/transistor development plays a role in avionics, likening military electronics development to that of consumer electronics is erroneous at best. What you describe as "teething" sounds very much like the much-hyped quality of being "battle-proven", which is, after all, merely a hyped-up notion.

As for the J-11 and Su-30.. both airframes have serious serviceability issues due to their engines and associated airframe spares. I should have written the J-11 in general since the J-11BS is only just going through the paces(and for all reports also having problems, which are still less than the J-11.. which was around the same for the Su-27SK, Su-30MKK and MK2)..

There are no reports of these J-11X series undergoing any problems. There was an issue with the engines in the early batches but the problem was fixed in 2009. Now over 300+ J-11B/S (not counting J-11/A or original Sukhois) are in service.

the J-11D is supposed to address the reliability problems associated with the airframe and engine.

The J-11D is meant to be an upgrade that will bring the J-11B to Su-35S/F-18E standards, not a remedy to its supposed reliability problems.

 

[Blue Marlin]

If he tells you, he'd have to kill you

well thats not very nice. i ask a simple question and you give me that!?

 

[New World]

J-10 vs F-16

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Chengdu J-10 vs F-16 C/D Fighting Falcon
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Facts – Chengdu J-10 vs F-16 C/D Fighting Falcon

No significant differences in price of these planes.
F-16 C/D Fighting Falcon is more economical.
Chengdu J-10 is faster.
F-16 C/D Fighting Falcon is better armed.
F-16 C/D Fighting Falcon is better dogfighter.
No significant differences in size of these planes.

J-10 vs F-16

this is bullshit they rate rate more to J-10 in technology and avionics

 

[New World]

No version even comparable. that is why we ditched it.

Lockheed Martin presents HAF F-16 Block 52+ ADVANCED

@Windjammer

@MastanKhan @Windjammer sir why didn't F-16 remain stable after firing missiles at 3:10 and 3:19.

As far as i know, the later version of J-10s are not fully operational yet so it's difficult to compare, perhaps someone else can shed light on this

Sir, J-10B is in service and it is truely multirole fighter with AESA radar..

 

[The-king]

@MastanKhan @Windjammer sir why didn't F-16 remain stable after firing missiles at 3:10 and 3:19.


Sir, J-10B is in service and it is truely multirole fighter with AESA radar..

It need some time to balance the aircaft.

 

[The Huskar]

If you are rating F-16 as the prime fighter of Asia,isn't it better to give the title to Mitsubishi F-2.It was built upon F-16 with a 25% higher wing area and world's first operational AESA radar.

 

[New World]

sir, MLU nose more tilted like that of flankers from earlier block or it is just mine assumption

 

[PakEye]

this is bullshit they rate rate more to J-10 in technology and avionics

pl. quote the comperasion of J-10 vs F-16 according to your claim ???

 

[Aham Brahmasmi]

F- 16 C/D are True Beauty but A/B are like skinny kid and Block 60 are like Fat Pigs

 

[Blue Marlin]

Sir,
Senior moderators should not confront members---if you want to---then quit your position---but you should be FIRED for threatening a member with physical violence.

There should be ZERO tolerance for threats with physical violence.

Really physical violence? is he going to come out of your montor and slap or somthing? to him your just an ip adress, unless he knows you personally,which i doubt. as they say, take it witha pinch of salt and move on.

 

[New World]

pl. quote the comperasion of J-10 vs F-16 according to your claim ???

from what i know F-16 C/D has more powerfull and advance ECM/EW, radar warning, missile warning, SAR, greater connectivity with other jets..

and for further information sir @Windjammer is here..

 

[MastanKhan]

Really physical violence? is he going to come out of your montor and slap or somthing? to him your just an ip adress, unless he knows you personally,which i doubt. as they say, take it witha pinch of salt and move on.

Sir,

You are always a dollar short and a day late----. He did not threaten me---but another member----. With me he just got obnoxious----.