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Götterdämmerung;4065598 said:And that's what matters!
U accepted it wow... great !
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Götterdämmerung;4065598 said:And that's what matters!
U accepted it wow... great !
These are YOUR words, buddy...All i'm trying to do is to have you stop lecturing to us.
It is doubtful that that those exported weapons are downgraded anyway, but downgraded or not, those are both Soviet and CHINESE weapons. When people saw how spectacular they failed against US weapons, and they will note that Soviet and Chinese advisers were there at the sales and for the training, they will wonder how will the Soviets and the Chinese will fare against the Americans.All that the American weapons systems have proven so far over the past 20+ years of endless wars is that they are invulnerable to 1960's and 70's made Soviet weapons systems that on top of that are downgraded export models.
Sure, somebody always wanted to tick US off...Or they failed to pay US tributes: oil and women, and oily women...No other country in the world has attacked so many other countries as America did. So you tell me what the reasons are that America needs to attack another country every 3 or 4 years.
So what? You think economics do not matter anywhere else? If anything, your fellow Chinese have economics foremost in their minds and uses US as example on how to get rich.That's because America still has a much higher living standard than most other countries in the world today. Most people go to America for economic reasons and not much else.
Are there pregnant American women swarming over to China just so their children can claim Chinese citizenship? Is Chinese citizenship not good enough for these Chinese mothers? May be you guys should put more bling on Mao's tomb...'Maternity hotel' for Chinese women to give birth to U.S. citizens is 'found in the back of California motel'
...sign up for 'birth tourism' packages in two of its secluded buildings - at a cost of $20,000 for the service
The practice is popular with Chinese women who travel to the U.S. on tourist visas in order to give birth to children who automatically become American citizens.
Cmdr. Jeffrey J. Kim's inauguration was held March 28 at the South Korean Navy's operations command in Busan. Kim, who was made captain of the USS John S. McCain, is the second Korean-American naval officer to skipper an Aegis-equipped destroyer, after Cmdr. Choi Hee-dong, captain of the USS Chafee.
What make US attractive is far more than just economics. When people think of China, political freedoms are hardly on their minds. But when they think of US, not only does Disneyland, Hollywood, fast foods, fast cars, and fast money are on their minds, but also the promise of a better life under a political system that is far better than what they have.The Chung-Hoon (DDG 93) is the U.S. Navy's 43rd Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer and was named in honor of Rear Adm. Gordon P. Chung-Hoon (1910-1979), a recipient of the Navy Cross and Silver Star for conspicuous gallantry and extraordinary heroism as commanding officer for USS Sigsbee (DD 502) from May 1944 through October 1945. In the spring of 1945, Sigsbee assisted in the destruction of 20 enemy planes while screening a carrier strike force off the Japanese island of Kyushu. On April 14, 1945, while on radar picket station off Okinawa, a kamikaze crashed into Sigsbee, reducing her starboard engine to five knots and knocking out the ship's port engine and steering control. Despite the damage, Chung-Hoon valiantly kept his anti-aircraft batteries delivering prolonged and effective fire against the continuing enemy air attack, while simultaneously directing damage control efforts. His leadership helped Sigsbee to make it to port under her own power.
You will never see that 'once'. Neither will your children nor grandchildren nor your great grandchildren.Once America's economy and currency collapses then that trend will end or even go into reverse.
It is doubtful that that those exported weapons are downgraded anyway, but downgraded or not, those are both Soviet and CHINESE weapons. When people saw how spectacular they failed against US weapons, and they will note that Soviet and Chinese advisers were there at the sales and for the training, they will wonder how will the Soviets and the Chinese will fare against the Americans.
So my advice to you is to stop focusing on US but look deeply into your China.
Sure, somebody always wanted to tick US off...Or they failed to pay US tributes: oil and women, and oily women...
So what? You think economics do not matter anywhere else? If anything, your fellow Chinese have economics foremost in their minds and uses US as example on how to get rich.
But...
'Maternity hotel' allowing Chinese women to give birth to U.S. citizens is claimed to be operating in the back of a popular California motel | Mail Online
Are there pregnant American women swarming over to China just so their children can claim Chinese citizenship? Is Chinese citizenship not good enough for these Chinese mothers? May be you guys should put more bling on Mao's tomb...
2nd Korean-American Captain of US Aegis Ship Named
USS Chung-Hoon (DDG 93) history
What make US attractive is far more than just economics. When people think of China, political freedoms are hardly on their minds. But when they think of US, not only does Disneyland, Hollywood, fast foods, fast cars, and fast money are on their minds, but also the promise of a better life under a political system that is far better than what they have.
Two Korean-Americans commanders are captains of the US Navy's Aegis ships. A similarly advanced ship is named after a Chinese-American. We do not see a PLAN ship named after a white guy, do we?
You will never see that 'once'. Neither will your children nor grandchildren nor your great grandchildren.
The world does not care if China sold downgraded weapons systems or not. If perception is reality, as the old saying goes, then the reality is that Chinese weapons and doctrines -- sucks.Still doesn't take away my point that the US military systems have only proven them selfs against outdated Soviet tech on the battlefield. And not only are those weapons that the Americans faced in war outdated and downgraded but they are often manned by incompetent operators as well.
And not downgraded ?
Export variants of Soviet military equipment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not lost. Just lazy. Like you are too lazy to look up the reasons for those conflicts.Lost for words to give reason/justification/defence of American aggression ?
Look at your own China. I heard that there is a real estate crisis going...
The world does not care if China sold downgraded weapons systems or not. If perception is reality, as the old saying goes, then the reality is that Chinese weapons and doctrines -- sucks.
And you speak as if we do not know the quality of real Soviet weapons systems. When the Soviet empire broke up, many former Soviet satellites became instant owners of real Soviet front line weapons systems, from tanks to fighter aircrafts to whole ICBMs and even refined uranium chunks. They were starving for cash to keep up their economies for recovery from the lack of Soviet aid. They called US: 'Uncle Sam, wanna go shopping?' So we did and our shopping cart was the C-5 Galaxy. A whole fleet of them painted black with no markings and flew mostly at night. We took them to Area 52, Area 51 is a tourist trap, and tested them to our heart's content. We developed new defenses against them. We projected what Russian and Chinese technology would be and developed defenses against those projections as well. We got this sh1t down better than anyone.
Not lost. Just lazy. Like you are too lazy to look up the reasons for those conflicts.
Look at your own China. I heard that there is a real estate crisis going...
Only one out of over 800 sorties?
Please...So far all Iran have done is make claims about 'hacking'...
Actually, your arguments over weapons so far are to make YOU and your fellow Chinese feel better. The US military have a history of not giving a hoot on what other countries think of US. Call US incompetent, stupid, or whatever. We will always give our most sagely look, nod our heads, and agree with every criticisms. All to make those who were too chickensh1t to fight feel better about themselves.Just for the sake of argument that they are not downgraded weapons that Americans have faced in those wars over the past 20+ years. That still means the US has been fighting against outdated Soviet weapons with incompetent operators. If that makes you feel better. That doesn't really take away my point that American weapons systems haven't proven themselves in a modern battlefield against a decent opponent. The Americans has only fought nations with no air force or navy to speak of and no space assets or modern missile's. The only thing that Americans have shown so far is that their planes can evade a few 40+ year old air defense systems.
And yet when there is a disaster somewhere, no one cried out for China...The reason for all those conflicts that Americans are involved in is because the Americans think they have some god given right to meddle in everyone's else business. Americans think that they know what's best for everyone else. And if some one won't listen they just kill. That's Americans anwser to everything just kill. On a personal level (gun violence in society) or on a political level (wars abroad). The average American is either clueless about the suffering they bring to others in the world or they are simply proud that they can "kick ***". In other words total lack of empathy for others or lack of intelligence to understand what they are doing to others. Proof me wrong.
No, but that is what was appropriate considering how you would rather simply a complex subject like economics down to mere meaningless rhetoric.Typical American answer always know best about other people's problems but clueless about you're own. Is that you're best defense of the all mighty American economy that you say that my great, great, great grand children's won't see fall ?
Those monkeys will still be biting some chinese arse, you like it or not.
Actually, your arguments over weapons so far are to make YOU and your fellow Chinese feel better. The US military have a history of not giving a hoot on what other countries think of US. Call US incompetent, stupid, or whatever. We will always give our most sagely look, nod our heads, and agree with every criticisms. All to make those who were too chickensh1t to fight feel better about themselves.
And yet when there is a disaster somewhere, no one cried out for China...
Every victim expects American to give and give for free. The cry is: 'Where is America?!?!'. Not 'Where is China?'.
No, but that is what was appropriate considering how you would rather simply a complex subject like economics down to mere meaningless rhetoric.
J-20 achieves IOC in 2017, not by 2020 at the earliest, as this article claims. J-10 first flight in 1998, IOC in 2004. J-20 first flight in 2011, IOC in 2017. China's AESA are mature.
J-20 has a more advanced design than F-22, as evidenced by its DSI air intakes.