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Too many people are making way too many claims without evidences backing them up.

Let play this game, name the top 5 Japanese films for the last 3 years. Then the last 5 American films in the last 3 years. Then compare them in the criteria you create.

Ho ho ho, aren't you the one who created this thread saying "How long before the East Asian cinema reached Hollywood level?", implying that all of East Asian cinema is somehow lacking in quality compared to Hollywood.
So the onus is really on you to convince us, not the other way around. Start playing, we'll follow suit.
 
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I find the documentary fascinating. The west need to stop poking fun on people that they don't like. Example: Prophet Muhammad. If you want to criticize is fine.

I agree on Japanese anime/manga, some of them have good ideas. Ghost in the Shell, and Spirited Away.

This is stupid. There are plenty of movement int he west who said I am NOT Charlie. I disagree with those people tremendously. But this is akin to say hey you muslims top burning American flags and stop blowing things up.

Mocking Muhammad is not a real issues. Terrorism is. Islam extremism is. American foreign policy is. Bombing/drone civilian is. Mixing cartoon over Muhammad with this is stupid. there is no doctrine in the Qu'ran that said no drawing of Muhammad. And by the way, that routine was so that people don't worship idols like Muhammad but rather Allah. So why are you folks going crazy over Muhammad and not focus on Allah. also such things should applied to Muslims. Muslims should not draw Muhammad. Everyone else has their own rules. Indonesian executing people over crimes that is not punishable by death in other countries. And my opinion (though not the same as everyone), if you are in Indonesia, don't do drug. If you are in Colorado, USA, feel free to do it.

Kim Young Un need to be laugh at.
 
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You know who made the Interview. Seth Rogen. Have you seen his other movies?? Stupid, funny, shit. Kim Young Un had always being the butt of the joke by American Comedians. You know who else is also the butt of the joke? W Bush.

But let talk about Un for a second, the guy who mandate hair cut. Who invite Dennis Rodman over and woo him. Have you seen Vice documentary on this? The real documentary is even funnier than the Interview.

The shifting in gender roles is factored by many things and not just by anime/manga. But anime/manga does push the boundary of imagination like that of Hollywood or like classic literatures like 20,000 leagues under the sea, or The time Machine, etc.



Yes.. In Hollywood, people are always pushing for more diversity which meant more Asians. Asians here is not necessary Chinese ethnic nor Chinese citizens. However, if it is a good film, I don't see why not. Manga/Anime is extremely popular even though they Japanese protagonist mostly.

Film like Heroes, or Red Cliff has some fan base in the west. Etc. But you need to understand context. People are more well versed overhere with European history and not so much with chinese history unless something popular like 3 kingdoms. Even then, the 3 kingdoms fanbase is small in comparison to everything else.

Red Cliff (2009) - Box Office Mojo

Red cliff net some 627k in the states. Hero net some 53.7 million in the states. It is also about buying advertisement and commercial. Do the Chinese willing to put couple of million dollars buying tv airtime over here. Red Cliff didn't hence it barely made a million. Hero actually did.
We are talking from different angles. I mean the dominant culture stuff. We have plenty of excellent movies, also in American market but mostly end in failure. It's really not about the movie is good or not, you have to be a little objective on this. To accept the truth of this world is not a shame, I accept it, it's a world where Americans save people from aliens.
 
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Bye Maria Law, I am not gonna waste my time explaining why America has a better space program (even with NASA situation) than Bangladesh, or why Japan has better animation than said India, or why Indonesian know more about Islam than that of the USA. Stop wasting my time.

We are talking from different angles. I mean the dominant culture stuff. We have plenty of excellent movies, also in American market but mostly end in failure. It's really not about the movie is good or not, you have to be a little objective on this.

Like I said how much money are you willing to spent on advertising. It is even an uphill battle for a chinese film because American audience don't know the director nor the actors.

This is America, we are talking about here. Even on something important like a presidential election. People pump in billions of dollars for ads. And the guy who spent more money usually win. This is my biggest criticisms with the crony democracy in America, commercialized and legalize corruption. You gotta spent that money to make money. And you need to spent that money effectively.
 
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Bye Maria Law, I am not gonna waste my time explaining why America has a better space program (even with NASA situation) than Bangladesh, or why Japan has better animation than said India, or why Indonesian know more about Islam than that of the USA. Stop wasting my time.



Like I said how much money are you willing to spent on advertising. It is even an uphill battle for a chinese film because American audience don't know the director nor the actors.

This is America, we are talking about here. Even on something important like a presidential election. People pump in billions of dollars for ads. And the guy who spent more money usually win. This is my biggest criticisms with the crony democracy in America, commercialized and legalize corruption. You gotta spent that money to make money. And you need to spent that money effectively.
Again, we are really talking about different things. You are talking about the details of a movie, I and some other members are talking about culture stuff. Dude, it's really not about the stars, ads, technology....
 
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This is stupid. There are plenty of movement int he west who said I am NOT Charlie. I disagree with those people tremendously. But this is akin to say hey you muslims top burning American flags and stop blowing things up.

Mocking Muhammad is not a real issues. Terrorism is. Islam extremism is. American foreign policy is. Bombing/drone civilian is. Mixing cartoon over Muhammad with this is stupid. there is no doctrine in the Qu'ran that said no drawing of Muhammad. And by the way, that routine was so that people don't worship idols like Muhammad but rather Allah. So why are you folks going crazy over Muhammad and not focus on Allah. also such things should applied to Muslims. Muslims should not draw Muhammad. Everyone else has their own rules. Indonesian executing people over crimes that is not punishable by death in other countries. And my opinion (though not the same as everyone), if you are in Indonesia, don't do drug. If you are in Colorado, USA, feel free to do it.

Kim Young Un need to be laugh at.
Mocking Mohammad is only going to help Islamist win the propaganda war. I respect Kim Jong Un than Obama the "Noble Peace Prize Laureate" and it isn't fair to attack him/portray that way.
 
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Again, we are really talking about different things. You are talking about the details of a movie, I and some other members are talking about culture stuff. Dude, it's really not about the stars, ads, technology....

Here is the hint, good luck selling a vietnamese movie made in Vietnam about Vietnam war with Americans as the bad guy. that movie not only gonna bomb, but any theater that show it will be trashed and destroyed.

If there is a very very very very good chinese film about a chinese team explore the universe and crash landed on an alien site. I don't see what wrong with that.

Mocking Mohammad is only going to help Islamist win the propaganda war. I respect Kim Jong Un than Obama the "Noble Peace Prize Laureate" and it isn't fair to attack him/portray that way.

Don't worry the American conservative hate this so call "muslim, African citizen, socialist, muslim brotherhood" Obama than you do. I think they are crazy. But feel free to think what you want.

What you are saying is like Iran stop validly criticism about Israel because it help the conservative's propaganda for a war with Iran here in the USA.
 
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a very very very very good chinese film
A terrible American movie can be popular in China and a very very very good Chinese one is hard to be said successful of not. That's the cultural dominance! You finally got our ideas.;)
 
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A terrible American movie can be popular in China and a very very very good Chinese one is hard to be said successful of not. That's the cultural dominance!

A terrible movie like Twilight or Transformer is very popular in the USA and yet is virtually hated by anybody who is 14+ for the first movie (and not a girl) or anyone who is 25+ years old (and not a boy).

But you are correct, there is a cultural dominance. But if Japan can break the mold and Japanese anime/manga is competing and often beating American cartoons/comic in the global stage, then yeah, there is always a chance.

China has the capital, the talents to do it.
 
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A terrible movie like Twilight or Transformer is very popular in the USA and yet is virtually hated by anybody who is 14+ for the first movie (and not a girl) or anyone who is 25+ years old (and not a boy).

But you are correct, there is a cultural dominance. But if Japan can break the mold and Japanese anime/manga is competing and often beating American cartoons/comic in the global stage, then yeah, there is always a chance.

China has the capital, the talents to do it.
How can they buy our historic movies, like Battle of Red Cliffs?
Red Cliff (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


When China is strong enough and most people are interested or have to learn that part of history.
 
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Don't worry the American conservative hate this so call "muslim, African citizen, socialist, muslim brotherhood" Obama than you do. I think they are crazy. But feel free to think what you want.

What you are saying is like Iran stop validly criticism about Israel because it help the conservative's propaganda for a war with Iran here in the USA.
Doesn't matter if its liberal or conservative. US is the top warmongering country in the world. If the criticism is valid is fine, the problem arises when it is not.
 
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How can they buy our historic movies, like Battle of Red Cliffs
Red Cliff (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like I said not much commercial. I live here, I know. And I post about that a couple of post back. Compare to Hero, Jet Lee is more well known than John Woo and there are more commercial. There is a guy, I am watching out for Ang Lee. His early films is chinese orientated but he wasn't famous then. Now he is. So let see if he going to make any epic Asian films.

Hero (2002 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But you can only milk the three Kingdoms so much. Though I heard the latest three Kingdoms or chinese tv show are quite popular elsewhere too. I have debating Middle Easterners and africans over Cao cao and Liu Bei.
 
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How can they buy our historic movies, like Battle of Red Cliffs
Red Cliff (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Dynasty Warrior game series on the Romance Three Kingdom made by Japanese company KOEI is actually quite popular. Spawning memes in the internet.

It's Lu Bu!!! | Know Your Meme

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Doesn't matter if its liberal or conservative. US is the top warmongering country in the world. If the criticism is valid is fine, the problem arises when it is not.

hmmm, replace Obama, it still the same. Are you expect me to defend America? I am so vocal about this that hte vietnamese on here thought I am a chinese spy. If you want to talk about this stuffs, create your own thread.
 
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Dynasty Warrior game series on the Romance Three Kingdom made by Japanese company KOEI is actually quite popular. Spawning memes in the internet.

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I mean the general public.
Like if in US, wow, another Chinese historic movie is coming!
Nope, now in China, wow, Transformation is coming!
 
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