Asia sees China as key to French diplomacy

[Adux]

Overseer,

HAMAS is a terrorist organization, they send in suicide bombers to a US ally, i am with the US on this. Aparthied was fact of olden times, we were a victim of it too, I am not going to hold that against any country now. America by no means is an angel. China has a proven Human rights record, they do support Dictators in African nations, Burma etc. But that is how it is in all country's case. Geo-politics is about self-preservation and promotion. I dont agree with any non-democratic government

 

[overseer]

Overseer,

HAMAS is a terrorist organization, they send in suicide bombers to a US ally, i am with the US on this. Aparthied was fact of olden times, we were a victim of it too, I am not going to hold that against any country now. America by no means is an angel. China has a proven Human rights record, they do support Dictators in African nations, Burma etc. But that is how it is in all country's case. Geo-politics is about self-preservation and promotion. I dont agree with any non-democratic government

The point of being that it was free election and they win the election by popular vote, thus forming a government under democrasy, escapes your thought?? The US is NOT willing to support a freely elected goverment at the same time they happily supports the dictatorship at Saudi Arabias while talking about democrasy in middle east. I see an obvious convoluted logic here. On one hand the western ideal of "democrasy and freedom" that US is brandishing so feverishly suddenly turn 180 degree around when palestian people with free will elected a goverment the US (and the west) don't like. Doesn't that just show how much of a hypocrite the "democrasy loving" americans are?

And China threatens the world order as it is today

Another racist sinophobic retorics. Funny it comes from an indian when Indians in general are also target of racist phobia (Indophobia - although nowhere as much as the chinese).

 

[Adux]

It doesnt matter, they are a terrorist organization, those people who elected them should be ashamed themselves.
Who is saying USA is an angel or any country for that matter. I agree with you on that but not on HAMAS.

PS: Why are you in democratic country then?

 

[kvLin]

America on a military and political stand point is opposed to the fundamentals of China and what it stands for; its not about non-confidence. Americans just wont accept communism. Bussiness is another thing.
Taiwan, will be protected by US;

partially agree. I just wanted to say this nonconfidence is caused by ideology. but in such logic the only "mistake" of China is her leadship by CPC who had terminated the chaos and reunited the country, who has fed 1/6 of the world's population and brought the Chinese nation into international fame as well as a heyday in the latest 200 years and what we proud of today.

It's not only about political system ,the others like race, religious culture and power are all concerned.

know Robert Sutter? the former advisor of US congress on sino-USA relationship, who had drummed in during 1996 missile crisis that Taiwan issue can easily draw China and the US into armed confrontation. when he was asked with "if the current Chinese govt were not communistic but likewise it carried out undemocratic policy inside the country and strong nationalism outward, how would the US react when it tries every effort (including arm force) to prevent taiwan from its independence?

he replied straight out : " well the US would not be hostile to China like how it is, nor would it stop China's reunification with Taiwan.

This is the very American measurement, although the Chinese govt has been abating their communistic feature.

I'm not a communist,like 95% Chinese in China. but I believe all the Chinese (worldwide) will fight for China,while at best 67million Chinese will fight for CPC only.

 

[Adux]

Kvlin,

That is geo-politics and it is down-right dirty. Nice to know that you are not a communist, but you are ruled by a communist government, like mine(google communist, Kerala); just that my state is the first democratically elected communist government wayback in 1947. Governments define who other Nation's governments deal with them. Government of Palestine is Hamas, and they are not going to get involved them.

 

[overseer]

It doesnt matter, they are a terrorist organization, those people who elected them should be ashamed themselves.

They are terrorists? So I suppose you are going to call those israelis who founded israel using terrorist tactics "freedom fighter" now ?? How about the ongoing terrorist / genocide israeli government inflicted on palestinians?

PS: Why are you in democratic country then?

Because I can.

 

[overseer]

I'm not a communist,like 95% Chinese in China. but I believe all the Chinese (worldwide) will fight for China,while at best 67million Chinese will fight for CPC only.

I agree with you on that

 

[Adux]

They are terrorists? So I suppose you are going to call those israelis who founded israel using terrorist tactics "freedom fighter" now ?? How about the ongoing terrorist / genocide israeli government inflicted on palestinians?

Dude, I really dont care; For me an army stands precedence to a private militia, who take great pride in bombing a club or a restaurent. I aint no HAMAS supporter, so save it. If they stop terrorist activities maybe then israeli will stop beating the crap out of them

Because I can.

Enjoy the freedoms of a democratic nation, but bad mouth it, i would call it hypocrisy. But your life your choice.So bad mouth all you want..cuz it is your right....Dont you just love democracy and secularism

 

[overseer]

Dude, I really dont care; For me an army stands precedence to a private militia, who take great pride in bombing a club or a restaurent. I aint no HAMAS supporter, so save it. If they stop terrorist activities maybe then israeli will stop beating the crap out of them

When the Palestinian are largely reduced to throw rocks and their government have no army to speak of to go against the brutal Israeli occupiers, what do you suggest them to do?? Palestine is not the same as India. They can't use the same non-violent method Mahatma Gandhi use to drive out the british occupiers.

Enjoy the freedoms of a democratic nation, but bad mouth it, i would call it hypocrisy. But your life your choice.So bad mouth all you want..cuz it is your right....Dont you just love democracy and secularism

Now, you are twisting my word. I didn't say I hate democrasy did I ??? Infact, I say China is heading that way. Why would I be supporting it if I don't believe in it??? What I say is the prevalent attitude of "democrasy loving" american who use "democrasy" as an excuse to either invade or gain political objective on other country. That is hypocrasy. I never said the idea of democrasy itself is hypocrisy. So please read what I said.

 

[kvLin]

Kvlin,

That is geo-politics and it is down-right dirty. Nice to know that you are not a communist, but you are ruled by a communist government, like mine(google communist, Kerala); just that my state is the first democratically elected communist government wayback in 1947. Governments define who other Nation's governments deal with them. Government of Palestine is Hamas, and they are not going to get involved them.

Anyway you don't have to feel nice about my non-communist status. the Chinese govt does care about the people's livelihood in China and has made great achievements over that, hence I dont exclude it at all. last night when you talked about infrastructure, there are so many details I can pick up to feel lucky being Chinese instead of Indian. plus actions meeting the public will,this communistic govt is getting more respectable in my eyes.

prates on democracy don't make any sense for real life.

tell you a jokemore likely real)

mayor of Bombay once visited Shanghai. on boarding the plane to Shanghai he said,I'm afraid in 20 years Shanghai can overtake Bombay.

to know more, shanghai has 268km operational metro line,ranking 3rd in China. the first metro came into service in 1969,BJ. and now 13 Chinese cities are operating this kind of transportation.

by saying above,I'm not talking about Metro itself. I'm talking about Chinese "miserable" life under a communistic govt.

It's morelikely the government's fault to leave you a poor infrastructure and a "messy country" (sic) for so long time, why not just change the administration by your democracy?

might be off topic but never mind, you're not talking about geo-politics neither.

 

[Adux]

Democracy is pain in the ***, agreed but i love my personal freedom. That is to me the most important factor. Any person who aint a communist is a good; but then again you dont have to 'accept' my new found love for you..lol and I sure can pick up so many reasons that makes me happy probably thankful to god that I am an Indian and not a chinese, eg : love the chinese to english translation that you do on your public annoucement boards....lol,


The joke you wrote probably is true, but then again I can tell my PM to F off, in your case you might end up in prison as a political prisoner...;lol,,, So i will take mine anyday.We aint that far behind, and we aint no somalia..Second fastest growing economy + my freedom. I am sure happy here.

 

[kvLin]

love the chinese to english translation that you do on your public annoucement boards....lol,

don't see it, won't feel it. not to get a second mayor on your own.
but I feel equally nice for your being happy Indian.

The joke you wrote probably is true, but then again I can tell my PM to F off, in your case you might end up in prison as a political prisoner...;lol,,, So i will take mine anyday.We aint that far behind, and we aint no somalia..Second fastest growing economy + my freedom. I am sure happy here.

Well I hate to translate Chinese dailies over to you, too much fun stuff about officials, let alone direct scoldings on Chinese fora. no vilification, no crime. dont even be fool getting those people sentenced as political prisoner.

I know you're by no means Somalia, jokes are only made here by blind underestimation.

So, enjoy your freedom of sleep and bye for now.

 

[overseer]

Democracy is pain in the ***, agreed but i love my personal freedom. That is to me the most important factor. Any person who aint a communist is a good; but then again you dont have to 'accept' my new found love for you..lol and I sure can pick up so many reasons that makes me happy probably thankful to god that I am an Indian and not a chinese, eg : love the chinese to english translation that you do on your public annoucement boards....lol,

The joke you wrote probably is true, but then again I can tell my PM to F off, in your case you might end up in prison as a political prisoner...;lol,,, So i will take mine anyday.We aint that far behind, and we aint no somalia..Second fastest growing economy + my freedom. I am sure happy here.

Well, there are several reasons for me to be thankful to god that I am a chinese not a indian, eg. I love the way you guys talk in that funny Apu accent who claimed to be educated in English but can never talk properly over the phone even after some intensive training, and still retain that terrible accent (not to mention the funny way you spell and write in a very cute and childish fashion) LOL !!

And I definitely thank god that I am a chinese whose government do more for me than an indian government who for all intent and purposes, made India lags far behind China!!

And I thank god that I am not an indian for I just might be born into a lower caste like the Dalits, who will never see the light of the day due to discrimination, and live in a life of eternal misery simply because of an archaic tradition of a backward society that still hold on to it in the 21st century.

In fact, thinking about the caste system, it looks to me Indians just love of being "racist" even to one of your own. I just thank god that I am not like you.

So if you like being a loser, be my guest. You can take your loser of government with your failing democracy while I take mine that is working for its people and is becoming progressively democratic.

 

[Keysersoze]

Well this is another victory for international relations.........time for another thread to take a short holiday............