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Robert S. Ross: "The Obama administration's pivot has not contributed to stability in Asia. Quite the opposite: it has made the region more tense and conflict-prone." Ross notes that the irony of the pivot is that, "a strategy that was meant to check a rising China has sparked its combativeness and damaged its faith in cooperation."

Robert S. Ross is a professor of political science at Boston College, associate of the Fairbank Center for Chinese Studies at Harvard University, senior advisor of the security studies program at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He is one of the foremost American specialists on Chinese foreign and defense policy and U.S.-China relations.

Robert S. Ross is Professor of Political Science at Boston College and Associate, John King Fairbank Center for Chinese Studies, Harvard University. He received his B.A. in History from Tufts University in 1976 and his Ph.D. in Political Science from Columbia University in 1984. He also received graduate training in international relations at the London School of Economics and Political Science. He has taught at Columbia University and at the University of Washington and in 1989 was a Guest Scholar at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. In 1994-1995 he was Fulbright Professor at the Chinese Foreign Affairs College and in 2003 he was a Visiting Senior Fellow at the Institute of International Strategic Studies, Qinghua University, Beijing. In 2009 he was Visiting Scholar, Institute for Strategy, Royal Danish Defence College. He is currently Visiting Professor, Institute for Defence Studies, Norwegian Defence University College.

Robert S. Ross - Political Science Department - Boston College


LOL Robert S. Ross's credentials are miles long. How dare you two trolls, who can't even write a complete sentence, criticize such a learned man? :lol:
 
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Can we have less Chinese propaganda pls?

Thanks to the recent unilateral Chinese step by putting disputed teritories in new passports, ASEAN is now deeply divided. A new Anti China front consists of the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam is in making.
 
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Can we have less Chinese propaganda pls?

Thanks to the recent unilateral Chinese step by putting disputed teritories in new passports, ASEAN is now deeply divided. A new Anti China front consists of the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia and Vietnam is in making.


How can it be Chinese propaganda? Robert S. Ross is an American and his criticism is toward his government which has nothing to do with China.

I just don't know how Vietnam is going to settle with Philippines. Last time I looked Vietnam occupies 16 islands within the Filipino EEZ and 2 within the overlap EEZ of Philippines and Malaysia. Even as Vietnam is trying to divert all the attention toward China and Aquino, I hate to use the word, is dumb enough to go along but the honeymoon between you two is going to be over soon or later. Mark my word the fallout between you two is a matter of time because it's a marriage based on the convenience of timing.

Two mistakes over here: 1) Aquino is barking at the wrong tree and 2) both of you make the wrong alliances. Both of you should settle, separately, with China first. It's too late now so be prepared for the shyte to hit the fan with your alliances.
 
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How can it be Chinese propaganda? Robert S. Ross is an American and his criticism is toward his government which has nothing to do with China.

I just don't know how Vietnam is going to settle with Philippines. Last time I looked Vietnam occupies 16 islands within the Filipino EEZ and 2 within the overlap EEZ of Philippines and Malaysia. Even as Vietnam is trying to divert all the attention toward China and Aquino, I hate to use the word, is dumb enough to go along but the honeymoon between you two is going to be over soon or later. Mark my word the fallout between you two is a matter of time because it's a marriage based on the convenience of timing.

Two mistakes over here: 1) Aquino is barking at the wrong tree and 2) both of you make the wrong alliances. Both of you should settle, separately, with China first. It's too late now so be prepared for the shyte to hit the fan with your alliances.

The biggest difference is: while all ASEAN member countries around SCS who are always willing to sit down together and with China to resolve the disputes by peaceful negotiations, China always tries to prevent that. Cambodia is the latest witness for this.
 
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The biggest difference is: while all ASEAN member countries around SCS who are always willing to sit down with each other and with China to resolve the disputes by peaceful negotiations, China always tries to prevent that. Cambodia is the latest witness for this.


You can sit down all you want but you two aren't going anywhere because the Aquino and del Rosario duo know where the troubles, I hope, lie soon or later. They couldn't be that dumb, can they?

As I said 16+2 islands in the Filipino EEZ. Would Vietnam willing to give half back or, to put it differently, would the Filipinos willing to lose half of the islands if Vietnam's going to return the other half.

Have fun guys and buy plenty of fireworks for the meantime for you'll need them, again, soon or later. The next trouble spot.
 
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You can sit down all you want but you two aren't going anywhere because the Aquino and del Rosario duo know where the troubles, I hope, lie soon or later. They couldn't be that dumb, can they?

As I said 16+2 islands in the Filipino EEZ. Would Vietnam willing to give half back or, to put it differently, would the Filipinos willing to lose half of the islands if Vietnam's going to return the other half.

Have fun guys and buy plenty of fireworks for the meantime for you'll need them, again, soon or later. The next trouble spot.

No problems too difficult to solve disputes through dialogue peacefully and mutual respect between Viet Nam - Philippines - Malaysia - Indonesia- Brunei.

VN-PH Navies have friendly football matchs together in Spratly Islands.
VN-Malaysia have jointly submitted a map of maritime border between the two nations to UN.
VN-Indonesia joint patrol frequently in border waters between the two nations.

No any ASEAN countries above trying to find ways to prevent diplomatic efforts to resolve the disputes like as China has done...
 
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No problems too difficult to solve disputes through dialogue peacefully and mutual respect between Viet Nam - Philippines - Malaysia - Indonesia- Brunei.

VN-PH Navies have friendly football matchs together in Spratly Islands.
VN-Malaysia have jointly submitted a map of maritime border between the two nations to UN.
VN-Indonesia joint patrol frequently in border waters between the two nations.

No any ASEAN countries above trying to find ways to prevent diplomatic efforts to resolve the disputes like as China has done...


You wrong, for years China called for peaceful resolutions. It's your country that was playing a dangerous game otherwise you wouldn't occupy 40 islands. It's Vietnam that's trying to divert all the attentions toward China all these time. Sure the western countries couldn't see it that way but the countries in this area see what's going on and that's why they care less to back you up.

You can use all kind of lip services but at the end how you're going to keep all your islands from the Filipinos?:lol: They'll let you keep them just because you're playing football with them? :lol:
 
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You wrong, for years China called for peaceful resolutions. It's your country that was playing a dangerous game otherwise you wouldn't occupy 40 islands. It's Vietnam that's trying to divert all the attentions toward China all these time. Sure the western countries couldn't see it that way but the countries in this area see what's going on and that's why they care less to back you up.

China called to talk bilaterally with each ASEAN nations, but in fact Spratlys is a disputed area of overlap between many countries, how can resolve the disputes by negotiating with China?
Moreover, the Chinese always says that talks to jointly operate but under Chinese sovereignty, that was not welcomed by other countries. OK, we will agree to such negotiation if it talks on some areas near the coast of Hong Kong or Fujian or Shanghai or Dalian...

You can use all kind of lip services but at the end how you're going to keep all your islands from the Filipinos?:lol: They'll let you keep them just because you're playing football with them? :lol:

VN-PH Navies play football together in Spratlys that will help us understand each other better, strengthen the friendship between the two countries. It will help resolve the dispute peacefully better.
 
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^^^Last time I looked Vietnam occupies 16 islands within Philippines EEZ and 2 within both Philippines and Malaysia EEZ which is far away from home. That's a hard cold fact in which you can not spin to your favor so don't tell the ASEAN leaders you're innocent of infringing others' territories. You're judged on what you do, not what you say.
 
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^^^Last time I looked Vietnam occupies 16 islands within Philippines EEZ and 2 within both Philippines and Malaysia EEZ which is far away from home. That's a hard cold fact in which you can not spin to your favor so don't tell the ASEAN leaders you're innocent of infringing others' territories. You're judged on what you do, not what you say.

Island belong to Vietnam from long time in the past. You can change your flag for what chinese can do first.
 
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Island belong to Vietnam from long time in the past. You can change your flag for what chinese can do first.


LOL don't tell me who they belong because I really don't care. The Filipinos still have many islands within the Sprately group, do you want those too?
 
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LOL don't tell me who they belong because I really don't care. The Filipinos still have many islands within the Sprately group, do you want those too?
At least, we agree that Scarborough isl belong to Phil unlike greedy China :P
 
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Consortium expects govt approval on East Natuna
Amahl S. Azwar, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Business | Mon, November 26 2012, 11:45 AM

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A business consortium seeking to develop the East Natuna gas field in the South China Sea expects the Indonesian government to conclude an assessment on its business proposal before the end of the year.

Pertamina president director Karen Agustiawan told reporters last week that the company, along with other consortium members: US-based ExxonMobil, France’s Total SA and Thailand’s PTT Exploration and Production (PTT EP), had set a target of Dec. 10 for the conclusion of the so-called principles of agreement (PoA) with the government.

“We hope all of the discussions relating to plans to develop the East Natuna block are finalized before Dec. 10,” she said in Jakarta.

The agreement on the PoA related to the development of the East Natuna field, formerly known as the Natuna D-Alpha block, is an essential point before the production sharing contract (PSC) for the block can be signed.

The East Natuna gas field is expected to begin production in 2020 with peak production expected to reach 4,000 million standard cubic feet per day (mmscfd) of gas and last for at least 20 years before it starts to enter a declining stage.

The East Natuna block has total proven reserves of 46 trillion cubic feet (tcf)—making it the biggest gas reserve in Asia—but with a high level of carbon dioxide content it will take several years to study how to manage the carbon dioxide waste.

The condition pushes the consortium members to ask for a number of incentives or “special treatment” from the government in order to ensure that companies can plan their investment for the block.

Earlier, Pertamina upstream operation director Muhammad Husen said that there were several issues in exploring and exploiting the block the government had yet to agree on, including contractual and fiscal matters.

The consortium members had, he added, requested for the length of the contract to be extended from 30 to 50 years as well as a five-year tax holiday and 150 percent of investment credit, among other requests in the proposal.

Other problems include Pertamina’s plan to build pipelines as the infrastructure for East Natuna, with an estimated investment of US$24 billion. Earlier reports said that the massive gas project would require about $40 billion for development in total.

The government had earlier expected the gas block to be developed under the scheme of a liquefied natural gas (LNG) plant, as it would be easier for the domestic market to absorb the gas that the field would produce.

Separately, the Energy and Mineral Resources Ministry’s director general for oil and gas affairs, Evita Herawati Legowo, said the government expected the PSC for the East Natuna block to be signed by the end of this year.

“Personally, I hope it can be signed before I retire from the ministry by the end of November,” she said in a text message sent to The Jakarta Post.

As widely reported, Pertamina currently holds a 35 percent participating interest in the consortium, while ExxonMobil holds a 35 percent interest and Total SA and PTT EP each own 15 percent.

In November, ExxonMobil Indonesia vice president for public and government affairs, Erwin Maryoto, confirmed the number of participating interests in an interview with the Post.

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While you guys bitching like a bunch of girl having their period:flame: .A group of Corporations is planning to drill for oil in East Natuna. Now get back to the Topic!
 
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Hundreds of Thai schools shut over militant attacks


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It's good to be kids with no cares in the world.


BANGKOK: Teachers in insurgency-wracked southern Thailand decided Monday to suspend classes at hundreds of schools in the region over the killings of education workers by Muslim militants.

"We want to put pressure on security forces and the government to take greater care of our safety," Boonsom Thongsriply, chairman of the teachers association in the region, told AFP.

The move means 321 schools will temporarily shut from Tuesday in Pattani, one of several southernmost provinces plagued by an eight-year-old insurgency. It is unclear when they will reopen.

The unrest has claimed more than 5,300 lives, with near-daily bomb or gun attacks.

Teachers working in non-religious schools are frequently targeted because they are seen as a symbol of government authority. Militants view the school system as an effort by Bangkok to impose Buddhist culture on the south.

More than 150 education workers have been killed in the Thai south since 2004. The latest victim was a head teacher who was gunned down last week.

Critics accuse the government of failing to address the grievances of Thailand's Malay Muslim minority, including alleged abuses by the military and a perceived lack of respect for their ethnic identity, language and religion.

Hundreds of Thai schools shut over militant attacks - Channel NewsAsia

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Thai demonstrators told to confront police


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THAILAND - Claiming to be fighting for the monarchy, leaders of the Pitak Siam group twice told protesters to confront a police cordon and to try to break through it yesterday - the second time just before 2pm at the Misakawan Intersection near Government House.

full story: Thai demonstrators told to confront police


We all have our own wars to fight so keep us out of your petty disputes. :smokin:
 
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^^^Last time I looked Vietnam occupies 16 islands within Philippines EEZ and 2 within both Philippines and Malaysia EEZ which is far away from home. That's a hard cold fact in which you can not spin to your favor so don't tell the ASEAN leaders you're innocent of infringing others' territories. You're judged on what you do, not what you say.

I can´t hear what you cry! Can you cry louder?
Last time when I checked the former Han´s teritory, it was much smaller than it is today. And Singapore as nation did not exist.
 
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