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Yet we don't rub it on other people faces. Reliving Past glory is as useless as it is stupid.
First: Bcz they were defeated in Great Viet(VN),so they couldn't use their best cavalry forces to attack u,and their forces also lack of food and other supply .So,just like Japan you won the war with a big luck.

Sencond:Indonesia is too far to VN core intetest,so we don't wanna have any trouble with u.order tribute payment from Thailand-Malay-Sing(US's allies) are enough :D

And we can shake hands to invade Aussi ,too.No need white men living in Asia,right :D
 
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Actually, if you follow every post he made, this guy is obsessed with the idea of Vietnam rules the whole ASEAN plus Australia and make those countries become Vietnam subordinates. And in order to achieve his obsession, he seems so sure that Vietnam can take control the whole Malacca strait even when navies from 3 traditional owners of Malacca strait (Malay-Indo-SG) are combined to protect the strait.

Indonesia-Australia relationship is too complex for him to understand, he'd like to see Australia bombing Indonesia or vice versa to support his dream instead.






Yes, Indonesia-Australia relationship is more like two friends in a bar, supporting each other in critical times like when Australia supported the Independence of Indonesia and throwing each other's bottles when both countries have disagreements. But the fact that Indonesia lives next door to Australia makes the heat quickly disappear as both need each other role to keep stability in the region.

Australia, Indonesia Build Relations From the Ground Up
Daniella White | February 17, 2013
20130218114346906.jpg

Australian and Indonesian students take part in a study exchange program based in Yogyakarta. (JG Photos/Jimmy Walsh).

Twenty-year old John Steele is just one of almost one million Australians who traveled to Indonesia last year.

But like the majority of his fellow travelers, he never got beyond the allure of beaches and booze in Bali.

“It’s a cheap and easy option. A lot of people my age have gone [to Bali], or talk about going,” he said.

“Most Australians my age didn’t seem interested in finding anything out about Indonesian culture. The main attraction was partying, warm weather and the beach.”

In Australia’s government-commissioned white paper on Australia in the Asian Century, cultural understanding was identified as a key element to engagement in the region. But analysts claim that despite Indonesia being a favorite holiday destination for Australians, many have a critical lack of understanding of their closest Asian neighbor.

Beyond Bali

Ross Tapsell, a lecturer in Asian Studies from the Australian National University, said that Australians would benefit greatly from expanding their knowledge of Indonesia.

“We have so many Australians that travel to Bali each year and basically end up in Western enclaves,” he said.

“Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we had more Australians who wanted to venture out, make Indonesian friends, travel outside of Kuta and absorb more of what is a great country which is right on our doorstep.”

Australia’s ambassador to Indonesia, Greg Moriarty, agreed.

“I think Indonesia is an incredibly rich and culturally diverse country and I think that many Australians would find it very useful and enriching to be able to go beyond [Bali] to have a broader Indonesian experience,” he said in an interview.

While Moriarty said it was primarily up to the Indonesian government to promote destinations other than Bali, Australia as a neighbor could still play its part.

“Australian tour operators could also be a bit more creative in terms of the packages that they present to tourists,” he said.

In an interview with the Jakarta Globe, Tourism and Creative Economy Minister Mari Elka Pangestu said that Indonesia was focusing on increasing awareness as well as the accessibility of destinations around the whole country.

“We’ve been saying ‘Beyond Bali’ for a long time, so this time it has to really happen,” she said. “We need to make sure that there is awareness, that there is the information and there is the connectivity.”

A common language

In a 2012 Australian government-commissioned report, David Hill from Murdoch University in Perth warned that Australia needed to improve its understanding of Indonesian culture and language, or face the danger of being left behind.

“Without reinvesting in Indonesian studies, Australia risks losing our comparative advantage and the consequent economic, political and strategic advantage that our previous expertise gave us in our relationship with Indonesia,’’ he wrote in the report.

Hill’s report found that Indonesian language study in Australia was in “crisis.”

He found that more final-year high-school students studied Indonesian in 1972 than in 2009. Between 2001 and 2010, Australian university enrollments in Indonesian nationally dropped by 37 percent, despite a 40 percent jump in the overall undergraduate population.

The report also showed that since 2001, school enrollments in Indonesian classes declined on average by 10,000 per year.

There are currently about 190,000 Australian students studying Indonesian at school, but according to Hill, the vast majority of them are still in the lower levels of school.

He said the drop came at a time when Australia should have been focusing more than ever on Indonesia.

“That enrollments grew during the Suharto dictatorship only to fall as Indonesia began democratizing after his fall in 1998 is ironic, and indicates a lost opportunity for engagement with a society opening up to the world,” he wrote in the report.

The latest white paper recognizes the need to reinvest in “Asian literacy,” but some analysts have criticized the lack of clear policy direction.

“The difficulty is, how do you implement this plan? And at the moment there hasn’t been specifics as to how the government is going to continue or adopt programs to make this plan work,” Tapsell said.

“They already cut the national Asian studies program and have said they want to do something bigger, so let’s see what the bigger program is and how it’s going to work.”

In a statement to the Jakarta Globe, ambassador Moriarty stressed the importance of Australians gaining a greater knowledge of their closest Asian neighbors.

“Popular Australian attitudes toward Indonesia more broadly suggest perceptions are still stuck in the past and could be refreshed,” he said.

“Education has a role. An objective of the white paper is to ensure that by 2025 every Australian student will have significant exposure to studies of Asia across the curriculum to increase their cultural knowledge and skills to enable them to be active in the region.”

History repeating

Talk of increasing Australia’s “Asian literacy” is far from new. In 1994, then Prime Minister Paul Keating declared, “No country is more important to Australia than Indonesia. If we fail to get this relationship right and to nurture and develop it, the whole web of our foreign relations is incomplete.”

As a result, Keating implemented the National Asian Languages and Studies in Australian Schools program in 1995. It focused on increasing students’ abilities to become familiar with the language and culture of four key neighbors: Japan, Korea, China and Indonesia.

The strategy outlined in the 2012 white paper replaces Korea with India.

Tapsell sees the dramatic drop in Asian language studies since the mid-90s as a result of the policies of the conservative coalition led by Prime Minister John Howard that governed Australia from 1996 to 2007.

“It’s been steadily declining since 1996 and I think you can put that down largely to the federal government at the time, the Howard government, placing less of an emphasis on Asian languages and in particular Indonesian language. There hasn’t been as much support for it as there should have been,” Tapsell said.

He stressed the need to find a way for students to become engaged in Indonesian studies.

“It’s no use saying we need more Australians speaking Indonesian, we need to give them reasons as to why they should be interested in Indonesia and develop content which flourishes that interest,” he said.

“For example, make sure that if we’re doing a subject on volcanoes in primary school, let’s use the example of Indonesian volcanoes.”

Education abroad

Australia has long been a destination for Indonesians studying overseas. Currently, there are an estimated 15,000 Indonesians studying in Australia who provide $500 million to the economy, according to the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.
Indonesia is the largest recipient of Australian foreign aid with A$574 million ($594 million) being provided from 2012 to 2013, with the largest component of the program supporting education.

As part of the Australian government’s aid program, each year around 400 full scholarships are issued to Indonesian postgraduate students to complete their master’s or PhD in Australia.

Past alumni of these awards include Vice President Boediono and Foreign Affairs Minister Marty Natalegawa.

Hill pointed out in his report that while this meant the Indonesian government had an ability to understand Australia, no member of the Australian government could lay the same claim to understanding Indonesia.

Greg Moriarty acknowledged via e-mail that the number of Indonesians studying in Australia is, “disparate to the number of Australians enrolled in Indonesian institutions.”

In his report, Hill found that between 2007 and 2011, an average of only 53 Australian students per year enrolled in a study program of one semester or more at an Indonesian university.

“Consequently, the Australian community largely misses out on the tremendous assets in language competence and political and cultural awareness brought back by students returning from ‘in-country’ study in Indonesia,” he said in the report.

Following the 2002 Bali bombings, the Australian government issued travel warnings for Indonesia. Australian citizens were advised to “reconsider your need to travel” to Indonesia. This warning was lowered to “exercise a high degree of caution” in May 2012.

Hill’s report found that 10 years of travel warnings had significant impact on people-to-people links.

“Schools find they cannot get travel insurance for student language study trips, and have little choice but to cease school exchange visits,” he wrote.

The 2012 white paper set out an objective to increase the numbers of Australian students studying abroad in Indonesia.

Currently, Europe and North America are the most popular destinations for Australian students choosing to study overseas.

In a bid to address this disparity and improve “Asian literacy,” the Australian government announced that it would offer $37 million through the AsiaBound scheme. The scheme aims to send 10,000 Australian students abroad and increase the number of students studying in Asia.

However, it was recently revealed that specialist university consortiums and private firms will be excluded from receiving the grants.

This despite the fact that the white paper singled out the university-led Australian Consortium for ‘In-Country’ Indonesian Studies, as “a successful model for in-country learning.”

People-to-people links

In a bid to strengthen people-to-people links between the two countries, the Australian government recently staged the inaugural Australia-Indonesia Youth Dialogue in Jakarta.

At the dialogue, young Australians and Indonesians gathered together to discuss how cultural links and understanding could be strengthened.

One suggestion was to ease the process for young Australians to obtain permits to work in Indonesia.

Bede Moore, director of Indonesian operations for the Australia-Indonesia Youth Association, said he hoped an accessible working holiday visa would be made available.

“The biggest difficulty for us is having some sort of flexible visa that you can easily apply [for] so that you can come and work up here,” he said.

“From my understanding, there is a working visa that you can have for both Australia and Indonesia that’s already been agreed on, but people are struggling to get access to that.”

Outside of his work for AIYA, Moore is also an entrepreneur. He said that reducing the bureaucracy involved in building a business could be an effective way to strengthen ties.

“People who do what I am doing, you really build a knowledge of what the host country is like and that inspires an empathy which I think is really important for foreign relations,” he said.

As part of Indonesia’s latest bid to increase tourist numbers, Tourism and Creative Economy Minister Mari said that as part of Indonesia’s bid to increase tourist numbers, changes to the visa system are being considered, including the introduction of working holiday visas.

She said that working holiday visas have “been suggested, especially for Australian tourism. Backpacker holidays are normally two months, three months or sometimes maybe six months. So maybe longer visas for backpack travel or a holiday visa.”

“Because Australia already offers for Indonesia a work visa for one year, I think that’s maybe something we can explore also,” she added.

The Australian Embassy in Jakarta has also revealed future plans to strengthen cultural ties with Indonesia.

According to Moriarty, Australia in 2014 is planing to launch the largest cultural presentation ever made in Indonesia. It is set to cover arts and culture, sports, innovation, science and education.

“The value of the arts, culture and the creative industries in building and strengthening people-to-people links between Australia and countries in Asia is enormous,” Moriarty said via e-mail.

“Arts and cultural ties complement political and trade relationships, and can provide a platform for stronger social and economic ties.”

Misunderstandings

For Tapsell, the lack of Indonesian literacy in Australia has far-reaching consequences, including for diplomatic ties.

“There is an argument to suggest that a lot of the times we’ve got Indonesia wrong, occasionally we’ve had diplomatic incidents, and a lot of that could come down to greater understanding,” he said.

“There were some very poor comments made in the public realm when there was the ban on live cattle trade with suggestions that Indonesian Muslims didn’t know about proper ways to kill cattle and so I think having more Indonesian speakers and having more students who have specialized in Indonesian degrees should really be taken up by various government departments,” he added.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has visited Australia on official duties four times, more than any of his predecessors. In March 2010, he became the first Indonesian head of state to ever address the Australian parliament.

In his speech, Yudhoyono said a major challenge to the consolidation of the Australian-Indonesian relationship was to “bring a change in each other’s mind-set.”

“Even in the age of cable television and Internet, there are Australians who still see Indonesia as an authoritarian country, or as a military dictatorship, or as a hotbed of Islamic extremism, or even as an expansionist power,” he said in the speech.

“The bottom line is that we still have a lot of work to do when it comes to people-to-people contact, when it comes to appreciating the facts of each other’s national life.”

Still, for Bali visitor John Steele, he’s open to visit other parts of Indonesia and learn more about the nation’s culture.

He said that although he wondered about other destinations in Indonesia, most other travelers did not.

“I did think of other places but there wasn’t a lot of information regarding it and I was the only one who inquired about it,” he said.
“I feel like there is still so much more to the country than I have been exposed to.”

Daniella White is taking part in a program run by the Australian Consortium for ‘In-Country’ Indonesian Studies. This article is part of a series focusing on relations between Indonesia and Australia.

Australia, Indonesia Build Relations From the Ground Up | The Jakarta Globe

Actually, if you follow every post he made, this guy is obsessed with the idea of Vietnam rules the whole ASEAN plus Australia and make those countries become Vietnam subordinates. And in order to achieve his obsession, he seems so sure that Vietnam can take control the whole Malacca strait even when navies from 3 traditional owners of Malacca strait (Malay-Indo-SG) are combined to protect the strait.

Indonesia-Australia relationship is too complex for him to understand, he'd like to see Australia bombing Indonesia or vice versa to support his dream instead.






Yes, Indonesia-Australia relationship is more like two friends in a bar, supporting each other in critical times like when Australia supported the Independence of Indonesia and throwing each other's bottles when both countries have disagreements. But the fact that Indonesia lives next door to Australia makes the heat quickly disappear as both need each other role to keep stability in the region.

Australia, Indonesia Build Relations From the Ground Up
Daniella White | February 17, 2013
20130218114346906.jpg

Australian and Indonesian students take part in a study exchange program based in Yogyakarta. (JG Photos/Jimmy Walsh).

Twenty-year old John Steele is just one of almost one million Australians who traveled to Indonesia last year.

But like the majority of his fellow travelers, he never got beyond the allure of beaches and booze in Bali.

“It’s a cheap and easy option. A lot of people my age have gone [to Bali], or talk about going,” he said.

“Most Australians my age didn’t seem interested in finding anything out about Indonesian culture. The main attraction was partying, warm weather and the beach.”

In Australia’s government-commissioned white paper on Australia in the Asian Century, cultural understanding was identified as a key element to engagement in the region. But analysts claim that despite Indonesia being a favorite holiday destination for Australians, many have a critical lack of understanding of their closest Asian neighbor.

Beyond Bali

Ross Tapsell, a lecturer in Asian Studies from the Australian National University, said that Australians would benefit greatly from expanding their knowledge of Indonesia.

“We have so many Australians that travel to Bali each year and basically end up in Western enclaves,” he said.

“Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we had more Australians who wanted to venture out, make Indonesian friends, travel outside of Kuta and absorb more of what is a great country which is right on our doorstep.”

Australia’s ambassador to Indonesia, Greg Moriarty, agreed.

“I think Indonesia is an incredibly rich and culturally diverse country and I think that many Australians would find it very useful and enriching to be able to go beyond [Bali] to have a broader Indonesian experience,” he said in an interview.

While Moriarty said it was primarily up to the Indonesian government to promote destinations other than Bali, Australia as a neighbor could still play its part.

“Australian tour operators could also be a bit more creative in terms of the packages that they present to tourists,” he said.

In an interview with the Jakarta Globe, Tourism and Creative Economy Minister Mari Elka Pangestu said that Indonesia was focusing on increasing awareness as well as the accessibility of destinations around the whole country.

“We’ve been saying ‘Beyond Bali’ for a long time, so this time it has to really happen,” she said. “We need to make sure that there is awareness, that there is the information and there is the connectivity.”

A common language

In a 2012 Australian government-commissioned report, David Hill from Murdoch University in Perth warned that Australia needed to improve its understanding of Indonesian culture and language, or face the danger of being left behind.

“Without reinvesting in Indonesian studies, Australia risks losing our comparative advantage and the consequent economic, political and strategic advantage that our previous expertise gave us in our relationship with Indonesia,’’ he wrote in the report.

Hill’s report found that Indonesian language study in Australia was in “crisis.”

He found that more final-year high-school students studied Indonesian in 1972 than in 2009. Between 2001 and 2010, Australian university enrollments in Indonesian nationally dropped by 37 percent, despite a 40 percent jump in the overall undergraduate population.

The report also showed that since 2001, school enrollments in Indonesian classes declined on average by 10,000 per year.

There are currently about 190,000 Australian students studying Indonesian at school, but according to Hill, the vast majority of them are still in the lower levels of school.

He said the drop came at a time when Australia should have been focusing more than ever on Indonesia.

“That enrollments grew during the Suharto dictatorship only to fall as Indonesia began democratizing after his fall in 1998 is ironic, and indicates a lost opportunity for engagement with a society opening up to the world,” he wrote in the report.

The latest white paper recognizes the need to reinvest in “Asian literacy,” but some analysts have criticized the lack of clear policy direction.

“The difficulty is, how do you implement this plan? And at the moment there hasn’t been specifics as to how the government is going to continue or adopt programs to make this plan work,” Tapsell said.

“They already cut the national Asian studies program and have said they want to do something bigger, so let’s see what the bigger program is and how it’s going to work.”

In a statement to the Jakarta Globe, ambassador Moriarty stressed the importance of Australians gaining a greater knowledge of their closest Asian neighbors.

“Popular Australian attitudes toward Indonesia more broadly suggest perceptions are still stuck in the past and could be refreshed,” he said.

“Education has a role. An objective of the white paper is to ensure that by 2025 every Australian student will have significant exposure to studies of Asia across the curriculum to increase their cultural knowledge and skills to enable them to be active in the region.”

History repeating

Talk of increasing Australia’s “Asian literacy” is far from new. In 1994, then Prime Minister Paul Keating declared, “No country is more important to Australia than Indonesia. If we fail to get this relationship right and to nurture and develop it, the whole web of our foreign relations is incomplete.”

As a result, Keating implemented the National Asian Languages and Studies in Australian Schools program in 1995. It focused on increasing students’ abilities to become familiar with the language and culture of four key neighbors: Japan, Korea, China and Indonesia.

The strategy outlined in the 2012 white paper replaces Korea with India.

Tapsell sees the dramatic drop in Asian language studies since the mid-90s as a result of the policies of the conservative coalition led by Prime Minister John Howard that governed Australia from 1996 to 2007.

“It’s been steadily declining since 1996 and I think you can put that down largely to the federal government at the time, the Howard government, placing less of an emphasis on Asian languages and in particular Indonesian language. There hasn’t been as much support for it as there should have been,” Tapsell said.

He stressed the need to find a way for students to become engaged in Indonesian studies.

“It’s no use saying we need more Australians speaking Indonesian, we need to give them reasons as to why they should be interested in Indonesia and develop content which flourishes that interest,” he said.

“For example, make sure that if we’re doing a subject on volcanoes in primary school, let’s use the example of Indonesian volcanoes.”

Education abroad

Australia has long been a destination for Indonesians studying overseas. Currently, there are an estimated 15,000 Indonesians studying in Australia who provide $500 million to the economy, according to the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.
Indonesia is the largest recipient of Australian foreign aid with A$574 million ($594 million) being provided from 2012 to 2013, with the largest component of the program supporting education.

As part of the Australian government’s aid program, each year around 400 full scholarships are issued to Indonesian postgraduate students to complete their master’s or PhD in Australia.

Past alumni of these awards include Vice President Boediono and Foreign Affairs Minister Marty Natalegawa.

Hill pointed out in his report that while this meant the Indonesian government had an ability to understand Australia, no member of the Australian government could lay the same claim to understanding Indonesia.

Greg Moriarty acknowledged via e-mail that the number of Indonesians studying in Australia is, “disparate to the number of Australians enrolled in Indonesian institutions.”

In his report, Hill found that between 2007 and 2011, an average of only 53 Australian students per year enrolled in a study program of one semester or more at an Indonesian university.

“Consequently, the Australian community largely misses out on the tremendous assets in language competence and political and cultural awareness brought back by students returning from ‘in-country’ study in Indonesia,” he said in the report.

Following the 2002 Bali bombings, the Australian government issued travel warnings for Indonesia. Australian citizens were advised to “reconsider your need to travel” to Indonesia. This warning was lowered to “exercise a high degree of caution” in May 2012.

Hill’s report found that 10 years of travel warnings had significant impact on people-to-people links.

“Schools find they cannot get travel insurance for student language study trips, and have little choice but to cease school exchange visits,” he wrote.

The 2012 white paper set out an objective to increase the numbers of Australian students studying abroad in Indonesia.

Currently, Europe and North America are the most popular destinations for Australian students choosing to study overseas.

In a bid to address this disparity and improve “Asian literacy,” the Australian government announced that it would offer $37 million through the AsiaBound scheme. The scheme aims to send 10,000 Australian students abroad and increase the number of students studying in Asia.

However, it was recently revealed that specialist university consortiums and private firms will be excluded from receiving the grants.

This despite the fact that the white paper singled out the university-led Australian Consortium for ‘In-Country’ Indonesian Studies, as “a successful model for in-country learning.”

People-to-people links

In a bid to strengthen people-to-people links between the two countries, the Australian government recently staged the inaugural Australia-Indonesia Youth Dialogue in Jakarta.

At the dialogue, young Australians and Indonesians gathered together to discuss how cultural links and understanding could be strengthened.

One suggestion was to ease the process for young Australians to obtain permits to work in Indonesia.

Bede Moore, director of Indonesian operations for the Australia-Indonesia Youth Association, said he hoped an accessible working holiday visa would be made available.

“The biggest difficulty for us is having some sort of flexible visa that you can easily apply [for] so that you can come and work up here,” he said.

“From my understanding, there is a working visa that you can have for both Australia and Indonesia that’s already been agreed on, but people are struggling to get access to that.”

Outside of his work for AIYA, Moore is also an entrepreneur. He said that reducing the bureaucracy involved in building a business could be an effective way to strengthen ties.

“People who do what I am doing, you really build a knowledge of what the host country is like and that inspires an empathy which I think is really important for foreign relations,” he said.

As part of Indonesia’s latest bid to increase tourist numbers, Tourism and Creative Economy Minister Mari said that as part of Indonesia’s bid to increase tourist numbers, changes to the visa system are being considered, including the introduction of working holiday visas.

She said that working holiday visas have “been suggested, especially for Australian tourism. Backpacker holidays are normally two months, three months or sometimes maybe six months. So maybe longer visas for backpack travel or a holiday visa.”

“Because Australia already offers for Indonesia a work visa for one year, I think that’s maybe something we can explore also,” she added.

The Australian Embassy in Jakarta has also revealed future plans to strengthen cultural ties with Indonesia.

According to Moriarty, Australia in 2014 is planing to launch the largest cultural presentation ever made in Indonesia. It is set to cover arts and culture, sports, innovation, science and education.

“The value of the arts, culture and the creative industries in building and strengthening people-to-people links between Australia and countries in Asia is enormous,” Moriarty said via e-mail.

“Arts and cultural ties complement political and trade relationships, and can provide a platform for stronger social and economic ties.”

Misunderstandings

For Tapsell, the lack of Indonesian literacy in Australia has far-reaching consequences, including for diplomatic ties.

“There is an argument to suggest that a lot of the times we’ve got Indonesia wrong, occasionally we’ve had diplomatic incidents, and a lot of that could come down to greater understanding,” he said.

“There were some very poor comments made in the public realm when there was the ban on live cattle trade with suggestions that Indonesian Muslims didn’t know about proper ways to kill cattle and so I think having more Indonesian speakers and having more students who have specialized in Indonesian degrees should really be taken up by various government departments,” he added.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has visited Australia on official duties four times, more than any of his predecessors. In March 2010, he became the first Indonesian head of state to ever address the Australian parliament.

In his speech, Yudhoyono said a major challenge to the consolidation of the Australian-Indonesian relationship was to “bring a change in each other’s mind-set.”

“Even in the age of cable television and Internet, there are Australians who still see Indonesia as an authoritarian country, or as a military dictatorship, or as a hotbed of Islamic extremism, or even as an expansionist power,” he said in the speech.

“The bottom line is that we still have a lot of work to do when it comes to people-to-people contact, when it comes to appreciating the facts of each other’s national life.”

Still, for Bali visitor John Steele, he’s open to visit other parts of Indonesia and learn more about the nation’s culture.

He said that although he wondered about other destinations in Indonesia, most other travelers did not.

“I did think of other places but there wasn’t a lot of information regarding it and I was the only one who inquired about it,” he said.
“I feel like there is still so much more to the country than I have been exposed to.”

Daniella White is taking part in a program run by the Australian Consortium for ‘In-Country’ Indonesian Studies. This article is part of a series focusing on relations between Indonesia and Australia.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/editorschoice/australia-indonesia-build-relations-from-the-ground-up/572174
 
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First: Bcz they were defeated in Great Viet(VN),so they couldn't use their best cavalry forces to attack u,and their forces also lack of food and other supply .So,just like Japan you won the war with a big luck.

Sencond:Indonesia is too far to VN core intetest,so we don't wanna have any trouble with u.order tribute payment from Thailand-Malay-Sing(US's allies) are enough :D

And we can shake hands to invade Aussi ,too.No need white men living in Asia,right :D

A Victory is a Victory. If the Mongol cannot maintain an expeditionary forces in Java than its the Mongol failure. The Kamikaze victory is because the Mongol uses river boat instead of Seafaring boat. We won not because luck, but because of Raden Wijaya.


When the Yuan army arrived in Java, Wijaya allied himself with the army to fight against Jayakatwang and gave the Mongols a map of the country Kalang. According to the Yuan-shi, Wijaya attacked Jayakatwang without success when he heard of the arrival of the Yuan navy. Then he requested their aid. In return, Yuan generals demanded his submission to their emperor, and he gave it.

In November 1292, a Mongol force landed in Tuban, East Java, with the aim of revenge for Kertanagara's humiliation of the Mongol messenger. However, Kertanegara was already dead. Raden Wijaya made an alliance with the Mongols with the aim of attacking Singhasari, which by this time had fallen under the power of Jayakatwang. Jayakatwang was defeated and destroyed in 1293, at which point Raden Wijaya attacked the Mongol force. The Mongols, already weakened by tropical diseases, the climate, and imperial overreach, were forced to flee Java.[2] Raden Wijaya then established the Majapahit kingdom, taking the title Kertarajasa Jayawardhana, and establishing his palace in the area of Trowulan, which is now in Kabupaten Mojokerto, East Java.

Once Jayakatwang was destroyed by the Mongols, Raden Wijaya returned to Majapahit, ostensibly to prepare his tribute settlement, leaving his allies to celebrate their victory. Shi-bi and Ike Mese allowed Raden Wijaya to go back to his country to prepare his tribute and a new letter of submission, but Gaoxing disliked the idea and he warned other two. Wijaya asked the Yuan forces to come to his country unarmed.

Two hundred unarmed Yuan soldiers led by two officers were sent to Raden Wijaya's country, but Raden Wijaya quickly mobilized his forces again and ambushed the Yuan convoy. After that Raden Wijaya marched his forces to the main Yuan camp and launched a surprise attack, killing many and sending the rest running back to their ships. The Yuan forces had to withdraw in confusion, as the monsoon winds to carry them home would soon end, leaving them to wait on a hostile island for six months. The Yuan army lost more than 3,000 of its elite soldiers.

Aftermath

The three generals, demoralized by the considerable loss of their elite soldiers due to the ambush, went back to their empire with the surviving soldiers. Upon their arrival, Shi-bi was condemned to receive 70 lashes and have a third of his property confiscated for allowing the catastrophe. Ike Mese also was reprimanded and a third of his property taken away. But Gaoxing was awarded 50 taels of gold for protecting the soldiers from a total disaster. Later, Shi-bi and Ike Mese were shown mercy, and the emperor restored their reputation and property.[6]

This failure was the last expedition in Kublai Khan's reign. Majapahit, in contrast, became the most powerful state of its era in the region which is now Indonesia

BTW Are you Racist?
 
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A Victory is a Victory. If the Mongol cannot maintain an expeditionary forces in Java than its the Mongol failure. The Kamikaze victory is because the Mongol uses river boat instead of Seafaring boat. We won not because luck, but because of Raden Wijaya.
But this kind of victory can't help you to have some good experience to defeat next World conqueror. Japan 'defeated' Mongol with luky Kamikaze, but it couldn't help them to defeat US and had to surrender with No condition .

BTW Are you Racist?
No, bcz those White Aussie helped US to kill VNese-Laotian-Cambodian(and Indonesian in Borneo war too, right ??) in VN war and never say sorry, so , why we need them to stay in Asia ?? they may support bad guys to kill Asian people again.
 
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Myanmar's capital to offer 10,000 accommodations by 2014

English.news.cn 2013-02-20 16:36:11
Xinhua

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Myanmar's new capital Nay Pyi Taw


YANGON, Feb. 20 (Xinhua) -- More than 10,000 hotel rooms at over 80 hotels will be available at Nay Pyi Taw hotel zone in Myanmar's new capital Nay Pyi Taw by 2014, local media reported Wednesday.

At present, there are 31 hotels in Nay Pyi Taw hotel zone, said the Weekly Eleven website.

The demand of accommodations will increase as many foreign visitors will come to visit Myanmar to attend the 27th Southeast Asian Games at the end of this year and the ASEAN Summit and other related Summits next year.

According to statistics, Myanmar has a total of 787 hotels with 28,291 rooms, the report said.

These include five five-star hotels, 18 four-star hotels, 83 three-star hotels, 115 two-star hotels, 103 one-star hotels, and 462 hotels with licenses.

In December 2012, companies from Vietnam signed a deal with Myanmar to invest 300 million dollars in hotels at Nay Pyi Taw. The massive build-operate-transfer deal was the first surge of investment into the hotel sector since the new foreign investment law was promulgated.

Myanmar could reportedly attract over 1 million world tourists to the country in the year, an increase of 200,000 compared with 2011, due to the significant changes in Myanmar last year.
 
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But this kind of victory can't help you to have some good experience to defeat next World conqueror. Japan 'defeated' Mongol with luky Kamikaze, but it couldn't help them to defeat US and had to surrender with No condition .

What experiences. Are you saying a 13 century victory over the Mongol is still relevant in the Information Ages? Compared to your country "regular victory" over the Mongol. Raden Wijaya allow the enemy into the country, used the enemy men and resources to overthrow the ruler, when the Mongol outlived their usefulness Raden Wijaya turns against them and establish the Greatest Kingdom in Southeast Asia. Why the hell do we want to defeat the "next world conqueror?" Indonesia prefer to be the "Big Cat" in the Litter box (Southeast Asia). Colluding with the "next world conqueror" than trying to defeat them.




No, bcz those White Aussie helped US to kill VNese-Laotian-Cambodian(and Indonesian in Borneo war too, right ??) in VN war and never say sorry, so , why we need them to stay in Asia ?? they may support bad guys to kill Asian people again.

Water under the bridge...
 
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What experiences. Are you saying a 13 century victory over the Mongol is still relevant in the Information Ages? Compared to your country "regular victory" over the Mongol.

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Of course. You think our women suddenly know how to fight as well as men in VN war and in 1979 war against China ?? In fact, they were trained to fight in People warfare tactic from century to century, there lots of women general in our history .

And our People warfare tactic that lead us to victory also not a gift from GOD, it's created and used from 12 century already. Until now, No nation on earth can use People warfare tactic to fight against World conqueror as well as VNese.

Japanese don't know abt People warfare tactic and their leader also didn't have any experience when fighting with the Giant, that's why, they lost when luck was not in their side anymore .
Indonesia prefer to be the "Big Cat" in the Litter box (Southeast Asia). Colluding with the "next world conqueror" than trying to defeat them.
What if they don't wanna collude with u, and nuke u instead coz you don't have ballistic missile warhead and can't enrich uranium to make nuke warhead to scare them ??
Water under the bridge...

But the white don't think the same. They never say sorry for the bad things they did.

btw: I'm not racist, I just want a fair justice. The killer can't get away without any charges. At least they must say : sorry .
 
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Of course. You think our women suddenly know how to fight as well as men in VN war and in 1979 war against China ?? In fact, they were trained to fight in People warfare tactic from century to century, there lots of women general in our history .

And our People warfare tactic that lead us to victory also not a gift from GOD, it's created and used from 12 century already. Until now, No nation on earth can use People warfare tactic to fight against World conqueror as well as VNese.

Japanese don't know abt People warfare tactic and their leader also didn't have any experience when fighting with the Giant, that's why, they lost when luck was not in their side anymore .

Like I said not relevant anymore, Swords & Pikes anyone. We uses guns & rockets now. By your logic the Russian should still use Human Wave tactic instead of modernizing their armaments. People warfare although have some merit should not be used, because it is more an Act of Desperation than a sound tactical move.
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Satirical drawing in Punch Magazine(29 September 1894), showing the victory of "small" Japan over "large" China.


What if they don't wanna collude with u, and nuke u instead coz you don't have ballistic missile warhead and can't enrich uranium to make nuke warhead to scare them ??


But the white don't think the same. They never say sorry for the bad things they did.

You must be a barbarian if you think "weapons" can keep you safe from invader. Don't get me wrong I believe in offering one hand while arm the other, but this is the 21th century we have a thing called the UN.

Easy, we make ourselves look valuable to other countries. Indonesia is already seen as "good" country and an important player to peace and security in the region. We're also a member of the G-20 and can you tell me which country that want to attack Indonesia?.
 
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Like I said not relevant anymore, Swords & Pikes anyone. We uses guns & rockets now. By your logic the Russian should still use Human Wave tactic instead of modernizing their armaments. People warfare although have some merit should not be used, because it is more an Act of Desperation than a sound tactical move.
Before 1945, Japan used gun and rocket to fight with US, and lost.

In 1950 ,Korea used gun and rocket with full of Soviet-China support to fight with US, and lost.

in 1956, VietNam used gun and rocket to fight with US,too, and won. If people warfare that we created from 12 century didn't work, so why did we win ??
You must be a barbarian if you think "weapons" can keep you safe from invader. Don't get me wrong I believe in offering one hand while arm the other, but this is the 21th century we have a thing called the UN.
UN will protect weak nations ??pls ask Chinese-Russian-American , you will know UN is working for who :lol:
Easy, we make ourselves look valuable to other countries. Indonesia is already seen as "good" country and an important player to peace and security in the region. We're also a member of the G-20 and can you tell me which country that want to attack Indonesia?.
Any one having Nuke warhead plus nuke capable ballistic missile can easily attack and defeat you within few hours

Btw: believe what you want to believe, maybe UN will protect u , we only believe on our own power.
 
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Before 1945, Japan used gun and rocket to fight with US, and lost.

In 1950 ,Korea used gun and rocket with full of Soviet-China support to fight with US, and lost.

in 1956, VietNam used gun and rocket to fight with US,too, and won. If people warfare that we created from 12 century didn't work, so why did we win ??

"Winning" is such a strong word. The US never lose a single battle against the NVA. The only thing they lose to in Vietnam is to the Anti-War movement back home.
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Any one having Nuke warhead plus nuke capable ballistic missile can easily attack and defeat you within few hours

Btw: believe what you want to believe, maybe UN will protect u , we only believe on our own power.

Name 1 country that actually want to attack us. You might not know this, but we're in a process of rearming. Soon we will have the most powerful Armed Forces in the region.
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What power? Vietnam is not even as strong as you think.
 
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"Winning" is such a strong word. The US never lose a single battle against the NVA. The only thing they lose to in Vietnam is to the Anti-War movement back home.




Name 1 country that actually want to attack us. You might not know this, but we're in a process of rearming. Soon we will have the most powerful Armed Forces in the region.


What power? Vietnam is not even as strong as you think.

Don't forget to add a simple comparison between both countries arms spending plus annual budget, that tells the bigger picture about a country's actual power.
 
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Don't forget to add a simple comparison between both countries arms spending plus annual budget, that tells the bigger picture about a country's actual power.
Your higher military budget can't help you to have invisible 'mud men ' force like VN, they can sneak into Thailand-China territories, destroy enemies hard ware and retreated without being detected when ur forces can't.

We also can train perfect spy to fool CIA when ur forces can't,too

We also have upgrade Shaddock with warhead of 1000 kg , no need to say again ,right

So, with small defense budget, but we can scare our big enemies, when your army is still not strong enough for even to protect your own country. You can pour more money, but it doesn't mean your forces with get better and be able to match with our 'mud men ' and perfect spy bcz they're not trained with hollow lessons from military academy but real experience in long hard and bloody battle field.
 
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Your higher military budget can't help you to have invisible 'mud men ' force like VN, they can sneak into Thailand-China territories, destroy enemies hard ware and retreated without being detected when ur forces can't.

We also can train perfect spy to fool CIA when ur forces can't,too

We also have upgrade Shaddock with warhead of 1000 kg , no need to say again ,right

So, with small defense budget, but we can scare our big enemies, when your army is still not strong enough for even to protect your own country. You can pour more money, but it doesn't mean your forces with get better and be able to match with our 'mud men ' and perfect spy bcz they're not trained with hollow lessons from military academy but real experience in long hard and bloody battle field.

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LOL lets see how your "Mudmen" compared to ours
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Cause I think this guys can win because they're more Muddier :cheesy:

Ooh... The Vietnamese can hit us with their "Mudmen" ooh I'm so scared its not like Indonesia have a Far Superior & Armed Special Forces compared to Vietnam.
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...This is not even the tip of the iceberg.

The TNI true problem is that it can't be everywhere at once. On the account we have 7000 islands to control.
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Please if you do fired at us with your Shaddok its not like you can penetrate our entire "missile defense shield"
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LOL Indonesia have been embroiled in conflict since the creation of the Republic. So in your logic that sorta makes our troops better than yours.
 
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Your higher military budget can't help you to have invisible 'mud men ' force like VN, they can sneak into Thailand-China territories, destroy enemies hard ware and retreated without being detected when ur forces can't.

We also can train perfect spy to fool CIA when ur forces can't,too

We also have upgrade Shaddock with warhead of 1000 kg , no need to say again ,right

So, with small defense budget, but we can scare our big enemies, when your army is still not strong enough for even to protect your own country. You can pour more money, but it doesn't mean your forces with get better and be able to match with our 'mud men ' and perfect spy bcz they're not trained with hollow lessons from military academy but real experience in long hard and bloody battle field.

that's relative, depends on what condition should the armed forces face.

Yea yea, mud men shaddock CBU perfect spy Vietnam is almighty that even god himself is scared when he sees Vietcong walk down the street. Anything that can make you go to sleep, I shall agree.
 
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LOL lets see how your "Mudmen" compared to ours
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Cause I think this guys can win because they're more Muddier :cheesy:

Ooh... The Vietnamese can hit us with their "Mudmen" ooh I'm so scared its not like Indonesia have a Far Superior & Armed Special Forces compared to Vietnam.
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...This is not even the tip of the iceberg.

The TNI true problem is that it can't be everywhere at once. On the account we have 7000 islands to control.
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Please if you do fired at us with your Shaddok its not like you can penetrate our entire "missile defense shield"
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LOL Indonesia have been embroiled in conflict since the creation of the Republic. So in your logic that sorta makes our troops better than yours.
But ur 'mud men' can't sneak into enemy base(such as Malaysia-Aussie during Borneo confict) and destroy enemies hard ware like ours.

If we use our nuke capable missile to attack u(of course it never happen in real life),we will use our 'mud men' to destroy ur 'defense shield' first,then,u have nothing left to shoot down our missile :D

And u also don't have perfect spy that can steal enemies's intelligence,too.:P

So what's the use of higher military budget ? Is it just used to take better photoshop pics like China PLA?
 
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