As the U.S. steps back, Vietnamese wonder if China is taking control | Washington Post

[Martian2]

Can the US help Vietnam? The answer is probably "no."

We know the US is not getting involved in a ground war with China. There are reasons for this.

Firstly, during the Korean War (1950-1953), China told the US not to come near the Yalu River. The US ignored China and pushed near the Yalu River. In response, China sent its forces into the Korean War. This resulted in a stalemate around the current DMZ line. China could not win the Korean War, because the US had threatened to use atomic weapons.

Secondly, we jump forward a decade to the Vietnam War (1962-1975). Once again, China told the US not to come near the Chinese border. This time, the US paid attention and did not try to conquer North Vietnam. This compromise precluded the involvement of China's military in the Vietnam War.

In 1967, China had detonated a 3.3-megaton hydrogen bomb. In 1971, China successfully conducted the first flight of its DF-5 ICBM that can carry a five-megaton warhead. Future US threats of nuclear war would not dissuade China from achieving victory in a conventional war, because China also possessed thermonuclear mega-tonnage weaponry.

We move to the present and examine the South China Sea. The US doesn't want China to dominate the South China Sea. Thus, the US provides diplomatic support to Vietnam.

Let's go through the list of possible US intervention in the China-Vietnam dispute.

Question 1: Will the US deploy hundreds of thousands of troops to Vietnam? The answer is probably "no."

It would be unprecedented for the United States to ask its troops to die for a COMMUNIST country. Vietnam is communist and I can't recall an instance where the US was willing to incur massive casualties for a communist country.

Question 2: For the sake of argument, let's say the US wants to send troops to Vietnam, can it do so? The answer is probably "no."

The US Army has downsized from 562,400 (2010) to 476,000 (2017). (Reference: MIlitary Personnel | Global Security)
The US is standing down, not preparing for a major war.

Question 3: Let's just say the US plans to send 250,000 troops to Vietnam, what happens? The result is probably no meaningful military effect.

China has a two-million-man army. 250,000 US troops is only about 1/10th the Chinese troop level. Also, China's troops will be far-better supplied. China has endless freight trains to bring missiles, tanks, howitzers, and ammunition shells to the front lines. US troops have to wait three months for a supply ship to arrive.

Concentrated US troops at a military base would make an easy target for a missile barrage. Gathering 250,000 troops is a terrible idea. Similarly, off-loading supply ships at a Vietnamese port is extremely risky. A missile barrage on a port would be devastating.

In conclusion, a US direct troop intervention is extremely unlikely due to the nature of COMMUNIST VIETNAM. Furthermore, US troop levels are insignificant compared to Chinese troop strengths. The additional problem of under-supplied US troops means the US would probably lose a ground war against China.
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Let's move on to a more interesting question. Would the US provide Vietnam with military supplies?

I think this course of action is extremely unlikely.

Let's look at the problems.

1. How do you off-load supplies in a Vietnamese port? Chinese satellites are watching. If China sees military supplies being off-loaded from a ship or aircraft, they can simply launch a missile barrage to send a message. If China decides to use cluster bombs, a port or airfield would be incapacitated for weeks.

2. How do you transport supplies to Vietnam in the first place? Chinese J-20 stealth fighters patrol the South China Sea. No US cargo airplane can fly through the South China Sea without being interdicted. The F-22 only has a 410 nautical-mile combat-radius. The F-22 is confined to Japan.

There is a similar problem with cargo ships. How do you traverse the South China Sea? The entire Chinese Navy is patrolling the South China Sea. Underwater, Chinese diesel-electric and nuclear submarines prowl the waters. Any foreign ship carrying military cargo is subject to search-and-seizure.

3. There are very few ships that will get past the Chinese gauntlet in the South China Sea. This means the military supplies reaching Vietnam will be negligible.

In conclusion, the US probably won't bother with trying to provide any military supplies to Vietnam. The logistical problems are enormous and the expected benefit is trivial. Vietnam is on its own.

 

[terranMarine]

Will US sell AB destroyers, subs, F-35 to Vietnam? To a Communist regime? They were jumping like monkeys when Obama lifted weapon embargo on VN last year. So what has US sold to VN since then? First of all VN cannot afford those and secondly even it could US will never sell them to VN. Not only will US not come to VN's aid in a military conflict, it will not supply them with any state of the art assets. And even if the US somehow could sell them the quantity is meaningless facing the full arsenal of the PLA, PLAAF and PLAN.

As @Martian2 have already pointed out US troops is only a fraction of the total PLA's ground troops. No matter how battle hardened the US is with their countless of war experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan all these years, they will be slaughtered by the highly modernized and MASSIVE PLA force despite many critics claim China has not fought a war in decades. China's advantages are not only territorial knowledge, it's within our perimeter. We can fully deploy our assets at will and can deliver them in no time. Hence the US does not dare push war to DPRK ever since it detonated its first nuke couple of years ago and to this day keep testing nukes and missiles without fearing for an invasion because China is right there guarding our backyard.

Will Japan, Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines, Taiwan, South Korea, India all come to VN's help or even to India's help should war break out? NOT A CHANCE. Merkel told at the press conference Germany will not get involved in a war with DPRK. Kim recently warned the UK not to get involved in a training near their territory. Today is not the 50s-60s anymore, a second Korean War means US is on her own, don't expect 15 countries coming to US and SK's aid. And nobody will come to rescue VN.

Those calling China a clown, lack of balls have only ridiculed themselves. China has humiliated the US not to touch DPRK, has humiliated India in a recent fist fight, has humiliated Vietnam with our threat if they do not tell the Spanish to stop drilling oil. So who are the actual ones lacking balls?

 

[Tom99]

This is purely the result of Vietnam and Philippine foolishly joined American's Asia Pivot to instigate and contain China.

Now, what Washington Post is really saying is that Vietnam better get on its knees and suck the Americans or else China might retaliate against Vietnam's aggressive behavior.

So far, China haven't done any retaliations - on economic trades, tourism, military and strategic fronts. But soon or later, if Vietnam continues on its currently, China will/should have to do something.

 

[terranMarine]

This is purely the result of Vietnam and Philippine foolishly joined American's Asia Pivot to instigate and contain China.

Now, what Washington Post is really saying is that Vietnam better get on its knees and suck the Americans or else China might retaliate against Vietnam's aggressive behavior.

So far, China haven't done any retaliations - on economic trades, tourism, military and strategic fronts. But soon or later, if Vietnam continues on its currently, China will/should have to do something.

Definitely. China holding plenty of cards be it hard or soft ones. We punished Japan with our economic and strategic cards when Abe under his master's order to buy Diaoyu islands. I'm pretty sure Abe saw the effects and quickly kowtow to China's demands. Rare Earth export under mysterious circumstances halted, Japanese car sales and tourism plunged and both Mainland and Taiwanese fishing boats were heading towards Diaoyu. Talk about joining hands together slapping Abe's face

PH obeying Obama's order to launch the arbitration case only got support from some lousy countries, so much for the International Community siding with PH. China simply rejected that fake court and its worthless ruling. But what did PH get in return? A very expensive bill which the PH tried to send the invoice to Obama but was flat out told that PH has to foot the bill herself. Tax money well spent As if that was not enough, PH banana export suffered a heavy blow.

South Korea didn't take our concerns regarding THAAD all too seriously, ask Lotte what kind of consequences felt upon that company. And what about the Tourism card China flipped on the poker table? Pretty sure SK got a nasty taste from it. Not long after that SK was embroiled in chaos amid corporate scandal (Samsung) reaching all the way to the downfall of Ms Park. SK sure know how to make headlines

VN simply has a choice or in this case no choice, obey the Juggernaut or face the two cards we will flip: economy and military. VN leaders know inviting a war means destruction on her side, so by telling the Spanish to leave they averted death and chaos. It was not a smart move provoking the Dragon in the first place and this kowtow definitely meant lose of face for the monkeys here. If they try this sh!t again and not returning those islands back in the future, the outlook will be very very bleak for our Commie neighbor.

 

[ckf]

respect or mutual respect is the most basic form of human communications. it is worthless to talk to anyone who shows no respect to you. we both can disagree on many things from economy to politics. not a problem at all. but to a clown like terramarine if I meet him in person, I will give him a fist in his face before I kick him to get him flying out of the window.

for the sake of peace in the region, Vietnam, Indonesia and Singapore should form a military alliance.

the chinese expect if they give five yuan to you, they have the rights to rape your sister and take your property. if you refuse they will call you "ungrateful southern monkey".

I am not sure why the hate behind the mask of civilized words, but confucism is based on mutual respect. Chinese is 1.3 billion people, and has many aholes and i know vietnam certainly doesn't lack those either. Chinese and politics are different animals. It's so hard discussing issues with vietnamese board members because everything is generalized to a personal attack. Every issue is about kick *** now, and vietnamese thousand years ago. Yes, Vietnam is a great country, you kick everyones ahole. But all the present day issues remain. Vn alliance with Indonesia and Singapore is not practical because there is no net economic/political benefits. It will benefit Vn politically, but Singapore and Indonesia has nothing to gain.

 

[xiao qi]

Can the US help Vietnam? The answer is probably "no."

We know the US is not getting involved in a ground war with China. There are reasons for this.

Firstly, during the Korean War (1950-1953), China told the US not to come near the Yalu River. The US ignored China and pushed near the Yalu River. In response, China sent its forces into the Korean War. This resulted in a stalemate around the current DMZ line. China could not win the Korean War, because the US had threatened to use atomic weapons.

Secondly, we jump forward a decade to the Vietnam War (1962-1975). Once again, China told the US not to come near the Chinese border. This time, the US paid attention and did not try to conquer North Vietnam. This compromise precluded the involvement of China's military in the Vietnam War.

In 1967, China had detonated a 3.3-megaton hydrogen bomb. In 1971, China successfully conducted the first flight of its DF-5 ICBM that can carry a five-megaton warhead. Future US threats of nuclear war would not dissuade China from achieving victory in a conventional war, because China also possessed thermonuclear mega-tonnage weaponry.

We move to the present and examine the South China Sea. The US doesn't want China to dominate the South China Sea. Thus, the US provides diplomatic support to Vietnam.

Let's go through the list of possible US intervention in the China-Vietnam dispute.

Question 1: Will the US deploy hundreds of thousands of troops to Vietnam? The answer is probably "no."

It would be unprecedented for the United States to ask its troops to die for a COMMUNIST country. Vietnam is communist and I can't recall an instance where the US was willing to incur massive casualties for a communist country.

Question 2: For the sake of argument, let's say the US wants to send troops to Vietnam, can it do so? The answer is probably "no."

The US Army has downsized from 562,400 (2010) to 476,000 (2017). (Reference: MIlitary Personnel | Global Security)
The US is standing down, not preparing for a major war.

Question 3: Let's just say the US plans to send 250,000 troops to Vietnam, what happens? The result is probably no meaningful military effect.

China has a two-million-man army. 250,000 US troops is only about 1/10th the Chinese troop level. Also, China's troops will be far-better supplied. China has endless freight trains to bring missiles, tanks, howitzers, and ammunition shells to the front lines. US troops have to wait three months for a supply ship to arrive.

Concentrated US troops at a military base would make an easy target for a missile barrage. Gathering 250,000 troops is a terrible idea. Similarly, off-loading supply ships at a Vietnamese port is extremely risky. A missile barrage on a port would be devastating.

In conclusion, a US direct troop intervention is extremely unlikely due to the nature of COMMUNIST VIETNAM. Furthermore, US troop levels are insignificant compared to Chinese troop strengths. The additional problem of under-supplied US troops means the US would probably lose a ground war against China.
----------

Let's move on to a more interesting question. Would the US provide Vietnam with military supplies?

I think this course of action is extremely unlikely.

Let's look at the problems.

1. How do you off-load supplies in a Vietnamese port? Chinese satellites are watching. If China sees military supplies being off-loaded from a ship or aircraft, they can simply launch a missile barrage to send a message. If China decides to use cluster bombs, a port or airfield would be incapacitated for weeks.

2. How do you transport supplies to Vietnam in the first place? Chinese J-20 stealth fighters patrol the South China Sea. No US cargo airplane can fly through the South China Sea without being interdicted. The F-22 only has a 410 nautical-mile combat-radius. The F-22 is confined to Japan.

There is a similar problem with cargo ships. How do you traverse the South China Sea? The entire Chinese Navy is patrolling the South China Sea. Underwater, Chinese diesel-electric and nuclear submarines prowl the waters. Any foreign ship carrying military cargo is subject to search-and-seizure.

3. There are very few ships that will get past the Chinese gauntlet in the South China Sea. This means the military supplies reaching Vietnam will be negligible.

In conclusion, the US probably won't bother with trying to provide any military supplies to Vietnam. The logistical problems are enormous and the expected benefit is trivial. Vietnam is on its own.

You don't know the Vietnamese's government policy now? We will not permit American or any nation soldier comes to our land for any purpose, so don't mention to this case, because Vietnam doesn't agree. Vietnamese don't want war but also don't scare of war. The Tonkin Gulf incident proves that when American violated Vietnamese's territories and ignored Vietnamese's warming.

 

[kurutoga]

Vietnam has no choice but to comply with China's leadership, I also think the current VN government realized that too. For China, the goal is to develop economy and maintain regional stability. If war against VN is needed it will happen, but I actually don't think it will ever come down to military conflict again as long as China is strong.

 

[Viva_Viet]

Can the US help Vietnam? The answer is probably "no."

We know the US is not getting involved in a ground war with China. There are reasons for this.

Firstly, during the Korean War (1950-1953), China told the US not to come near the Yalu River. The US ignored China and pushed near the Yalu River. In response, China sent its forces into the Korean War. This resulted in a stalemate around the current DMZ line. China could not win the Korean War, because the US had threatened to use atomic weapons.

Secondly, we jump forward a decade to the Vietnam War (1962-1975). Once again, China told the US not to come near the Chinese border. This time, the US paid attention and did not try to conquer North Vietnam. This compromise precluded the involvement of China's military in the Vietnam War.

In 1967, China had detonated a 3.3-megaton hydrogen bomb. In 1971, China successfully conducted the first flight of its DF-5 ICBM that can carry a five-megaton warhead. Future US threats of nuclear war would not dissuade China from achieving victory in a conventional war, because China also possessed thermonuclear mega-tonnage weaponry.

We move to the present and examine the South China Sea. The US doesn't want China to dominate the South China Sea. Thus, the US provides diplomatic support to Vietnam.

Let's go through the list of possible US intervention in the China-Vietnam dispute.

Question 1: Will the US deploy hundreds of thousands of troops to Vietnam? The answer is probably "no."

It would be unprecedented for the United States to ask its troops to die for a COMMUNIST country. Vietnam is communist and I can't recall an instance where the US was willing to incur massive casualties for a communist country.

Question 2: For the sake of argument, let's say the US wants to send troops to Vietnam, can it do so? The answer is probably "no."

The US Army has downsized from 562,400 (2010) to 476,000 (2017). (Reference: MIlitary Personnel | Global Security)
The US is standing down, not preparing for a major war.

Question 3: Let's just say the US plans to send 250,000 troops to Vietnam, what happens? The result is probably no meaningful military effect.

China has a two-million-man army. 250,000 US troops is only about 1/10th the Chinese troop level. Also, China's troops will be far-better supplied. China has endless freight trains to bring missiles, tanks, howitzers, and ammunition shells to the front lines. US troops have to wait three months for a supply ship to arrive.

Concentrated US troops at a military base would make an easy target for a missile barrage. Gathering 250,000 troops is a terrible idea. Similarly, off-loading supply ships at a Vietnamese port is extremely risky. A missile barrage on a port would be devastating.

In conclusion, a US direct troop intervention is extremely unlikely due to the nature of COMMUNIST VIETNAM. Furthermore, US troop levels are insignificant compared to Chinese troop strengths. The additional problem of under-supplied US troops means the US would probably lose a ground war against China.
----------

Let's move on to a more interesting question. Would the US provide Vietnam with military supplies?

I think this course of action is extremely unlikely.

Let's look at the problems.

1. How do you off-load supplies in a Vietnamese port? Chinese satellites are watching. If China sees military supplies being off-loaded from a ship or aircraft, they can simply launch a missile barrage to send a message. If China decides to use cluster bombs, a port or airfield would be incapacitated for weeks.

2. How do you transport supplies to Vietnam in the first place? Chinese J-20 stealth fighters patrol the South China Sea. No US cargo airplane can fly through the South China Sea without being interdicted. The F-22 only has a 410 nautical-mile combat-radius. The F-22 is confined to Japan.

There is a similar problem with cargo ships. How do you traverse the South China Sea? The entire Chinese Navy is patrolling the South China Sea. Underwater, Chinese diesel-electric and nuclear submarines prowl the waters. Any foreign ship carrying military cargo is subject to search-and-seizure.

3. There are very few ships that will get past the Chinese gauntlet in the South China Sea. This means the military supplies reaching Vietnam will be negligible.

In conclusion, the US probably won't bother with trying to provide any military supplies to Vietnam. The logistical problems are enormous and the expected benefit is trivial. Vietnam is on its own.

We are busy wt the plan to finishe the sub Mekong unification plan to get bigger and stronger than ever. No time for cheap talking wt u guys abt some idiot matters

 

[Viet]

The world doesn't really care. They will just say, oh another Vietnam War. Been there done that.

And who needs to go to war, when China has the VN government in our pocket. And why are they in our pocket, because they know they can't win a war against China, so they have decided to enrich themselves instead.

Why seeking war with VN? There are enough wars in the world the PLA can participate from Syria to Sudan.

Can the US help Vietnam? The answer is probably "no."

We know the US is not getting involved in a ground war with China. There are reasons for this.

Firstly, during the Korean War (1950-1953), China told the US not to come near the Yalu River. The US ignored China and pushed near the Yalu River. In response, China sent its forces into the Korean War. This resulted in a stalemate around the current DMZ line. China could not win the Korean War, because the US had threatened to use atomic weapons.

Secondly, we jump forward a decade to the Vietnam War (1962-1975). Once again, China told the US not to come near the Chinese border. This time, the US paid attention and did not try to conquer North Vietnam. This compromise precluded the involvement of China's military in the Vietnam War.

In 1967, China had detonated a 3.3-megaton hydrogen bomb. In 1971, China successfully conducted the first flight of its DF-5 ICBM that can carry a five-megaton warhead. Future US threats of nuclear war would not dissuade China from achieving victory in a conventional war, because China also possessed thermonuclear mega-tonnage weaponry.

We move to the present and examine the South China Sea. The US doesn't want China to dominate the South China Sea. Thus, the US provides diplomatic support to Vietnam.

Let's go through the list of possible US intervention in the China-Vietnam dispute.

Question 1: Will the US deploy hundreds of thousands of troops to Vietnam? The answer is probably "no."

It would be unprecedented for the United States to ask its troops to die for a COMMUNIST country. Vietnam is communist and I can't recall an instance where the US was willing to incur massive casualties for a communist country.

Question 2: For the sake of argument, let's say the US wants to send troops to Vietnam, can it do so? The answer is probably "no."

The US Army has downsized from 562,400 (2010) to 476,000 (2017). (Reference: MIlitary Personnel | Global Security)
The US is standing down, not preparing for a major war.

Question 3: Let's just say the US plans to send 250,000 troops to Vietnam, what happens? The result is probably no meaningful military effect.

China has a two-million-man army. 250,000 US troops is only about 1/10th the Chinese troop level. Also, China's troops will be far-better supplied. China has endless freight trains to bring missiles, tanks, howitzers, and ammunition shells to the front lines. US troops have to wait three months for a supply ship to arrive.

Concentrated US troops at a military base would make an easy target for a missile barrage. Gathering 250,000 troops is a terrible idea. Similarly, off-loading supply ships at a Vietnamese port is extremely risky. A missile barrage on a port would be devastating.

In conclusion, a US direct troop intervention is extremely unlikely due to the nature of COMMUNIST VIETNAM. Furthermore, US troop levels are insignificant compared to Chinese troop strengths. The additional problem of under-supplied US troops means the US would probably lose a ground war against China.
----------

Let's move on to a more interesting question. Would the US provide Vietnam with military supplies?

I think this course of action is extremely unlikely.

Let's look at the problems.

1. How do you off-load supplies in a Vietnamese port? Chinese satellites are watching. If China sees military supplies being off-loaded from a ship or aircraft, they can simply launch a missile barrage to send a message. If China decides to use cluster bombs, a port or airfield would be incapacitated for weeks.

2. How do you transport supplies to Vietnam in the first place? Chinese J-20 stealth fighters patrol the South China Sea. No US cargo airplane can fly through the South China Sea without being interdicted. The F-22 only has a 410 nautical-mile combat-radius. The F-22 is confined to Japan.

There is a similar problem with cargo ships. How do you traverse the South China Sea? The entire Chinese Navy is patrolling the South China Sea. Underwater, Chinese diesel-electric and nuclear submarines prowl the waters. Any foreign ship carrying military cargo is subject to search-and-seizure.

3. There are very few ships that will get past the Chinese gauntlet in the South China Sea. This means the military supplies reaching Vietnam will be negligible.

In conclusion, the US probably won't bother with trying to provide any military supplies to Vietnam. The logistical problems are enormous and the expected benefit is trivial. Vietnam is on its own.

Stop inventing stories! Besides China is not a Godlike country everyone must listen to your orders. If you shoot at people you expect they don't shoot back? People in VN and elsewhere will show respect if you begin to behave like a normal country and not act like a hooligan running around threatening everyone with war, claim here and there as yours.

 

[jhungary]

Why seeking war with VN? There are enough wars in the world the PLA can participate from Syria to Sudan.


Stop inventing stories! Besides China is not a Godlike country everyone must listen to your orders. If you shoot at people you expect they don't shoot back? People in VN and elsewhere will show respect if you begin to behave like a normal country and not act like a hooligan running around threatening everyone with war, claim here and there as yours.

lol......You have got to like these people.

I seriously laugh til I drop on the floor when he compare what Chinese did to US invading North Korea, a country 13,000 mile from US Mainland, to how Chinese will easily win a war with Vietnamese in their home. LOL. I mean, seriously? One is an expedition where the invading army travel 13,000 and got beat back fair and square, the other is a total invasion of a country where they have the home turf.

If we look at how poorly the Chinese did after they beat the UN back to 38th Parallel, you probably won't use this as an example on how good the Chinese Army were when they invade another country.

War is a war, it's pointless to expect anything, especially when you are talking about a situation where people push you into a corner, that is when your enemy is the strongest. People can talk about war all day long, but without seeing a bullet leave a barrel in anger, those point are moot. For people like me, or my father, whose was actually in Nam. War is not something you talk about, war is something you do. And most importantly, in war, you respect your enemy, no matter what, so this my head is bigger than yours BS, it just didn't fly...

 

[beijingwalker]

act like a hooligan running around threatening everyone with war, claim here and there as yours.

Are you talking about US?

 

[Brainsucker]

Why re-inventing China - Vietnam mouth war in here again? Didn't the SCS situation already calm down? China has win a diplomatic victory in SCS. They manage to calm down the situation and putting down all the drama there. While Vietnam doesn't totally lose in here.

The most important thing is that the tension didn't raise into a hot war. Because it is happen, whatever you win or lose, you lose. You fight in your backyard. Like it or not, it will disturb everyone economy in the region, and make the people suffer. If that happen, Vietnam, China, Japan, S. Korea, and Philippine will lose. The only one who win is USA. Because all countries around the SCS are the countries who have the biggest potential to become economy giants in the future. And there are three economy giants in the region too. Namely China, Japan, and S. Korea.

So just imagine if a war is happen in this region. It will affect everyone economy in the region, thus reduce the capability of all party in conduct business in the future. meanwhile, the USA whose economy has a problem right now (because the competition from China, Japan, S. Korea) can raise again, because they manage to destroy their competitor's economy capability.

 

[Viet]

lol......You have got to like these people.

I seriously laugh til I drop on the floor when he compare what Chinese did to US invading North Korea, a country 13,000 mile from US Mainland, to how Chinese will easily win a war with Vietnamese in their home. LOL. I mean, seriously? One is an expedition where the invading army travel 13,000 and got beat back fair and square, the other is a total invasion of a country where they have the home turf.

If we look at how poorly the Chinese did after they beat the UN back to 38th Parallel, you probably won't use this as an example on how good the Chinese Army were when they invade another country.

War is a war, it's pointless to expect anything, especially when you are talking about a situation where people push you into a corner, that is when your enemy is the strongest. People can talk about war all day long, but without seeing a bullet leave a barrel in anger, those point are moot. For people like me, or my father, whose was actually in Nam. War is not something you talk about, war is something you do. And most importantly, in war, you respect your enemy, no matter what, so this my head is bigger than yours BS, it just didn't fly...

the chinese seem boring to death obviously, no war for the PLA since decades.

Why re-inventing China - Vietnam mouth war in here again? Didn't the SCS situation already calm down? China has win a diplomatic victory in SCS. They manage to calm down the situation and putting down all the drama there. While Vietnam doesn't totally lose in here.

The most important thing is that the tension didn't raise into a hot war. Because it is happen, whatever you win or lose, you lose. You fight in your backyard. Like it or not, it will disturb everyone economy in the region, and make the people suffer. If that happen, Vietnam, China, Japan, S. Korea, and Philippine will lose. The only one who win is USA. Because all countries around the SCS are the countries who have the biggest potential to become economy giants in the future. And there are three economy giants in the region too. Namely China, Japan, and S. Korea.

So just imagine if a war is happen in this region. It will affect everyone economy in the region, thus reduce the capability of all party in conduct business in the future. meanwhile, the USA whose economy has a problem right now (because the competition from China, Japan, S. Korea) can raise again, because they manage to destroy their competitor's economy capability.

a war between VN and CN will bring the entire sea lanes between SC Sea and Gulf of Thailand to a standstill. everyone will suffer including delusional Chinese and their economy. only zombies would wish a war in the region.

 

[Viva_Viet]

lol......You have got to like these people.

I seriously laugh til I drop on the floor when he compare what Chinese did to US invading North Korea, a country 13,000 mile from US Mainland, to how Chinese will easily win a war with Vietnamese in their home. LOL. I mean, seriously? One is an expedition where the invading army travel 13,000 and got beat back fair and square, the other is a total invasion of a country where they have the home turf.

If we look at how poorly the Chinese did after they beat the UN back to 38th Parallel, you probably won't use this as an example on how good the Chinese Army were when they invade another country.

War is a war, it's pointless to expect anything, especially when you are talking about a situation where people push you into a corner, that is when your enemy is the strongest. People can talk about war all day long, but without seeing a bullet leave a barrel in anger, those point are moot. For people like me, or my father, whose was actually in Nam. War is not something you talk about, war is something you do. And most importantly, in war, you respect your enemy, no matter what, so this my head is bigger than yours BS, it just didn't fly...

I also laugh til I drop on the floor when reading your post here. Everyone still remember that after begging for daddy US and JP's support, PLA repeatedly attack VN from 1979 till 1988 just for stop VN's expansion to the whole sub Mekong region.

But till now, VN still control Laos-Cam and start to tie up defence and security co-operation wt Myanmar to complete the plan of sub Mekong unification.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/vietnam-defence-forum.211882/page-745

So, without daddy US and JP's support like in 1979-1988, where is your usless PLA ?? why not wagging war to stop VN's expansion to the whole sub Mekong region again ??

Why re-inventing China - Vietnam mouth war in here again? Didn't the SCS situation already calm down? China has win a diplomatic victory in SCS. They manage to calm down the situation and putting down all the drama there. While Vietnam doesn't totally lose in here.

The most important thing is that the tension didn't raise into a hot war. Because it is happen, whatever you win or lose, you lose. You fight in your backyard. Like it or not, it will disturb everyone economy in the region, and make the people suffer. If that happen, Vietnam, China, Japan, S. Korea, and Philippine will lose. The only one who win is USA. Because all countries around the SCS are the countries who have the biggest potential to become economy giants in the future. And there are three economy giants in the region too. Namely China, Japan, and S. Korea.

So just imagine if a war is happen in this region. It will affect everyone economy in the region, thus reduce the capability of all party in conduct business in the future. meanwhile, the USA whose economy has a problem right now (because the competition from China, Japan, S. Korea) can raise again, because they manage to destroy their competitor's economy capability.

CN think that if they start a war against VN now, they may have a small chance to win cos VN still small. But when VN finish the plan of sub Mekong unification, then CN has Zero chance to win coz sub Mekong empire is just simply too big and too strong .

Dont forget that PLA repeatedly attack VN from 1979 till 1988 just for stop VN's expansion to the whole sub Mekong region.

 

[Brainsucker]

CN think that if they start a war against VN now, they may have a small chance to win cos VN still small. But when VN finish the plan of sub Mekong unification, then CN has Zero chance to win coz sub Mekong empire is just simply too big and too strong .

Dont forget that PLA repeatedly attack VN from 1979 till 1988 just for stop VN's expansion to the whole sub Mekong region.

So you have an aggressor behavior yourselves. That's a surprise. Conquering Sub Mekong will bring everyone eyes to you, including USA. Do you think that countries like Japan and USA will approve your aggression behavior? No they won't. When you do, maybe it's not China that will become your enemy, but USA again. The different now is, that you won't get China's help. So good luck fighting USA again without any help.

Who will give you the supplies of missiles like anti air missiles and AShM if your route to Russia is blocked by China? With today Russia buddy-buddy with China.... Well, do what your best to become conqueror then.