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As IMF talks sputter, govt seeks another route

That is our security, the means for our survival. We must never compromise on that.

Hell no. We have nukes. We don't have to spend so much now. We should have reduced spending ages ago. The nuclear deterrent ensures that no one will attack us. It is a myth constructed by the generals that reducing spending will hurt our security!
 
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Of course it will. We have no other option. Besides it has to be done for the betterment of the country. We spend way too much on defence.

Let us see how the present government resolves the present predicament, and then consolidates its policies over the rest of its term.
 
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Sir am not taljing about aid . Am taking about investment
very unlikely to receive financial aid from Malaysia as its economy is not well, ill as of now due to unchecked corruption for long periods.
 
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LOL not so long ago Indian and Western mainstream media was ejaculating at the idea that IMF could be used to apply pressure. Notice how that idea has suddenly died down.

So what else is happening so far !!

Do you think that IMF is running after IK and begging to him to take a bail-out package ? :lol:
 
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Hell no. We have nukes. We don't have to spend so much now. We should have reduced spending ages ago. The nuclear deterrent ensures that no one will attack us. It is a myth constructed by the generals that reducing spending will hurt our security!
Look here mate, i think u got influenced by that troll called indus pakistan. U seem to have limited info about warfare it seems. The window for a restricted conflict with India is a reality, a big one. I really dont get people who think nukes have made us indestructable, that works against foes that dont have nukes themselves. Nukes are a thing of a last resort. We wont use them unless the very existance of Pakistan as a state was underthreat i.e we are about to loose the war against an invader and in such a scenario where we use nukes, we will get nuked in turn hence ensuring mutual assured destruction on both sides.

Any future conflict with India will be a conventional one, both sides will try thier best to keep it as such due to reasons explained above. They can capture large swathes of our country by overwhelming us conventionally n then force us to the negotiating table to meet thier demands in return like giving up on Kashmir. We need to beef up our conventional capabilities not cut them down.

Defence expenditure is not the reason for the state of our economy. Extremely low tax collection, outdated agriculture, no focus or investment in industry or cheaper sources of power and most importantly waste of funds on low return projects, corruption and economic treason are the reasons for our economic demise.

Our defence budget needs to be around 20 bil usd to keep up with the security needs of our country. Forget nukes mate, they are a measure of a last resort, they dont ensure our security, they only ensure that the other side will be wiped off earth with us. There is no scenario where Pakistan or India make it through a nuclear exchange and both sides knw this only too well.
 
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LOL the US calls the shots

Government officials are also convinced that another reason the Fund is taking a tough line with Pakistan is the changes in the Trump administration’s attitude towards Pakistan.

Also they are hoping to wear the IMF down with incessant haggling:

“It is possible that the IMF may come around, considering our position and will not let us collapse,” says one of the sources. “After some tough talk, I think they may come to a point to sign a basic agreement.”

We will collapse if they don't give us money!
 
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Look here mate, i think u got influenced by that troll called indus pakistan. U seem to have limited info about warfare it seems. The window for a restricted conflict with India is a reality, a big one. I really vant understand people who think nukes have made us indestructable, that works against foes that dont have nuclear power themselves. Nukes are a thing of a last resort. We wont use them unless the very existance of Pakistan as a state was underthreat i.e we are about to loose the war against an invader and in such a scenario where we use nukes, we will get nuked in turn hence ensuring mutual assured destruction on both sides. Any future conflict with India will be a conventional one, both sides will try thier best to keep it as such due to reasons explained above. They can capture large swathes of our country n then force us to the negotiating table to meet thier demands in return like giving up on Kashmir. We need to beef up our conventional capabilities not cut them down. Defence expenditure is not the reason for the state of our economy. Extremely low tax collection, outdated agriculture, no focus or investment in industry or cheaper sources of power and most importantly waste of funds on low return projects, corruption and economic treason are the reasons for our condition. Our defencr budget needs to be around 20 bil usd to keep up with the security needs of our country. Forget nukes mate, they are a measure of a last resort, they dont ensure our security, they only ensure that the other side will be wiped off earth with us. There is no scenario where Pakistan or India make it through a nuclear exchange and both sides knw this only too well.

If this is indeed the case and we can't reduce the defence budget then we are toast as a nation. Our economy cannot afford the high levels of defence spending and we will go bankrupt soon enough. When that happens India can easily invade us because we won't be able to finance a war against them. So I suggest you guys decide which scenario you would prefer.

The gap between india and pakistan continues to grow and the primary reason is that they have a better managed economy. It is not due to their defence spending but their spending on basic health and education.
 
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If this is indeed the case and we can't reduce the defence budget then we are toast as a nation. Our economy cannot afford the high levels of defence spending and we will go bankrupt soon enough. When that happens India can easily invade us because we won't be able to finance a war against them. So I suggest you guys decide which scenario you would prefer.
O bholy badshah i already told u defence expenditure is not the reason for the state of our economy. Reducing it will accomplish nothing.Answer this, what do u do first when u construct a home, put in furniture or make the boundry wall? Existance is way way more imp than prosperity, education, health care etc. Holy Prophet(pbuh's) home had literally very little to eat yet there were 9 swords hanging on his(pbuh's) wall, this is the reply of an Israeli pm to a reporter when asked about hiking defence budget in Israel.

If this is indeed the case and we can't reduce the defence budget then we are toast as a nation. Our economy cannot afford the high levels of defence spending and we will go bankrupt soon enough. When that happens India can easily invade us because we won't be able to finance a war against them. So I suggest you guys decide which scenario you would prefer.

The gap between india and pakistan continues to grow and the primary reason is that they have a better managed economy. It is not due to their defence spending but their spending on basic health and education.
Did they reduce their defence budget? No, they kept increasing it, they never reduced it, they just started managing thier economy better and are now eating its fruits. Again, they did not accomplish this by reducing defence budget but better management of their economy. When confronted with a faulty mechanism, it is foolish to dismantle a perfectly working mechanism to supplement the other one. The most viable solution is to treat the faulty mechanism independently, specially when the other mechanism is of such vital importance, i rest my case. See ya.
 
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we already take dozens of time man imran khan should forget ego for one more time it should be last program .
 
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LOL the US calls the shots



Also they are hoping to wear the IMF down with incessant haggling:



We will collapse if they don't give us money!


No, Pakistan will not collapse, IMF or no IMF. Its government just has to take some hard decisions and the people have to sacrifice a lot as a result, that is all. It will all work out.
 
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O bholy badshah i already told u defence expenditure is not the reason for the state of our economy.

It is though. Second largest part of the government budget after debt servicing. Even the IMF is now calling it like it is. We spend the least on health and education relative to GDP compared to our neighbours and the effect of that is apparent in our human welfare indicators and the productivity of our labour force. Our people are unemployable! Even textiles has now turned into a buyer's market.

No, Pakistan will not collapse, IMF or no IMF.

Default on external debt, followed by collapse of rupee, shortage of oil and other imported commodities and hyper inflation. That's what's in store for us if we don't get the dollars we need.

BTW we can't wage war in this scenario either. We have no strategic petroleum reserves so in the event of a war we'll run out of fuel to power our tanks, APCs and jets within 2 weeks.
 
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Default on external debt, followed by collapse of rupee, shortage of oil and other imported commodities and hyper inflation. That's what's in store for us if we don't get the dollars we need.

That is all survivable, without a doubt, if it comes to that, which I do not think will happen. All it takes is determination and sacrifice, both of which are abundant in Pakistan, in the present government and the people, respectively.
 
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That may the main point where consensus is not developing between Pak and IMF, no way in hell will we ever cut the defence budget. It already needs increase. That is our security, the means for our survival. We must never compromise on that.

do you think your society can handle hyperinflation ? that is the road you are heading down
 
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