As a Christian, suddenly I am a stranger in my own country, writes Julio Ribeiro

[isupportaap]

When someone who's served India so sincerely for so long, supercop Julio Ribeiro feels this, something's very wrong

 

[vegav]

christians always do it when congress is not in power.

 

[cloud_9]

It's not doom's day or anything but Foxification of media.

 

[GodToons]

There was a time, not very long ago — one year short of 30, to be precise — when only a Christian was chosen to go to Punjab to fight what then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi termed “the nation’s battle” against separatists. I had accepted a “demotion” from secretary in the Union home ministry to DGP of the state of Punjab at the personal request of the prime minister.

Then home secretary, Ram Pradhan, and my dear friend, B.G. Deshmukh, then chief secretary to the government of Maharashtra, were flabbergasted. “Why did you accept this assignment?” they asked. The same question was put to me over the phone by then President Zail Singh. But Arjun Singh, the cabinet minister who personally escorted me by special aircraft from Delhi to Chandigarh, remarked that when my appointment was announced the next morning, the Hindus of Punjab would breathe more freely and rejoice. I presume Hindus would include RSS cadres who had been pinned into a corner by the separatists.

When 25 RSS men on parade were shot dead in cold blood one morning, then Punjab Governor S.S. Ray and I rushed to the spot to console the stricken families. The governor visited 12 homes, I visited the rest. The governor’s experience was different from mine. He was heckled and abused. I was welcomed.

Today, in my 86th year, I feel threatened, not wanted, reduced to a stranger in my own country. The same category of citizens who had put their trust in me to rescue them from a force they could not comprehend have now come out of the woodwork to condemn me for practising a religion that is different from theirs. I am not an Indian anymore, at least in the eyes of the proponents of the Hindu Rashtra.

Is it coincidence or a well-thought-out plan that the systematic targeting of a small and peaceful community should begin only after the BJP government of Narendra Modi came to power last May? “Ghar wapsi”, the declaration of Christmas as “Good Governance Day”, the attack on Christian churches and schools in Delhi, all added to a sense of siege that now afflicts these peaceful people.

Christians have consistently punched above their weight — not as much as the tiny Parsi community, but just as noticeably. Education, in particular, has been their forte. Many schools, colleges, related establishments that teach skills for jobs have been set up and run by Christians. They are much in demand. Even diehard Hindus have sought admission in such centres of learning and benefited from the commitment and sincerity of Christian teachers. Incidentally, no one seems to have been converted to Christianity, though many, many have imbibed Christian values and turned “pseudo-secularist”.

Hospitals, nursing homes, hospices for dying cancer patients needing palliative care — many of these are run by Christian religious orders or Christian laymen devoted to the service of humanity. Should they desist from doing such humanitarian work for fear of being so admired and loved that a stray beneficiary converts of his or her own accord? Should only Hindus be permitted to do work that could sway the sentiments of stricken people in need of human love and care?
The Indian army was headed by a Christian general, the navy more than once, and same with the air force. The country’s defence forces have countless men and women in uniform who are Christians. How can they be declared non-Indians by Parivar hotheads out to create a pure Hindu Rashtra?

It is tragic that these extremists have been emboldened beyond permissible limits by an atmosphere of hate and distrust. The Christian population, a mere 2 per cent of the total populace, has been subjected to a series of well-directed body blows. If these extremists later turn their attention to Muslims, which seems to be their goal, they will invite consequences that this writer dreads to imagine.

I was somewhat relieved when our prime minister finally spoke up at a Christian function in Delhi a few days ago. But the outburst of Mohan Bhagwat against Mother Teresa, an acknowledged saint — acknowledged by all communities and peoples — has put me back on the hit list. Even more so because BJP leaders, like Meenakshi Lekhi, chose to justify their chief’s remarks.

What should I do? What can I do to restore my confidence? I was born in this country. So were my ancestors, some 5,000 or more years ago. If my DNA is tested, it will not differ markedly from Bhagwat’s. It will certainly be the same as the country’s defence minister’s as our ancestors arrived in Goa with the sage Parshuram at the same time. Perhaps we share a common ancestor somewhere down the line. It is an accident of history that my forefathers converted and his did not. I do not and never shall know the circumstances that made it so.

What does reassure me in these twilight years, though, is that there are those of the predominant Hindu faith who still remember my small contribution to the welfare of the country of our birth. During a recent trip to Rajgurunagar in the Khed taluka of Pune district to visit schools that my NGO, The Bombay Mothers and Children Welfare Society, had adopted, I stopped at Lonavla for idli and tea. A group of middle-aged Maharashtrians sitting on the next table recognised me and stopped to greet and talk. A Brahmin couple returning from Kuwait (as I later learnt) also came up to inquire if I was who I was and then took a photograph with me.

It warmed the cockles of my heart that ordinary Hindus, not known to me, still thought well of me and would like to be friends 25 years after my retirement, when I could not directly serve them. It makes me hope that ordinary Hindu men and women will not be swayed by an ideology that seeks to spread distrust and hate with consequences that must be avoided at all cost.

The writer, a retired IPS officer,was Mumbai police commissioner,DGP Gujarat and DGP Punjab,and is a former Indian ambassador to Romania

- See more at: As a Christian, suddenly I am a stranger in my own country, writes Julio Ribeiro | The Indian Express

Awesome reply to above propaganda from Indian Christian

Mr Julio Ribeiro was one of my few role models whom I held in high esteem. To see him cry the way he did in his letter in the Indian express, was a rude shock and surprise to me. As I began reading the article I thought there must be something that hurt this man very deeply, and I wanted to know the details, but as I continued reading I found no serious merit in his remark that “As a Christian, suddenly I am a stranger in my own country”
In his letter he said:
“there are those of the predominant Hindu faith who still remember my small contribution to the welfare of the country of our birth. During a recent trip to Rajgurunagar in the Khed taluka of Pune district to visit schools that my NGO, The Bombay Mothers and Children Welfare Society, had adopted, I stopped at Lonavla for idli and tea. A group of middle-aged Maharashtrians sitting on the next table recognised me and stopped to greet and talk. A Brahmin couple returning from Kuwait (as I later learnt) also came up to inquire if I was who I was and then took a photograph with me”
I was astounded after reading this. On the one hand he claims the average Indian, be it from the majority community, respects and adores a Christian like him, yet his conclusion from the entire article is that “he is a stranger in his own country”!
Further Mr Ribeiro said:
“The Indian army was headed by a Christian general, the navy more than once, and same with the air force. The country’s defence forces have countless men and women in uniform who are Christians”
This would lead to only one conclusion: in spite of being such a small minority we could reach the top posts in the Indian Armed Forces! This only shows that merit alone matters and not religion! And this can’t be seen anywhere in the world including our “role models” like US and UK ! And still we curse our mother land and its inclusiveness!
He also said:
“Today, in my 86th year, I feel threatened, not wanted, reduced to a stranger in my own country. The same category of citizens who had put their trust in me to rescue them from a force they could not comprehend have now come out of the woodwork to condemn me for practising a religion that is different from theirs. I am not an Indian anymore, at least in the eyes of the proponents of the Hindu Rashtra”
I tried hard to find evidence in his own article in support of this remark and conclusion, but to no avail. I am surprised! what is going on? How can a man of his calibre conclude things with out first hand experience? How can he place reliance on (paid) media reports, of so called attacks? The same media which has lost all their credibility (at least after Radia tapes). And the super cop of yesteryears is fully dependent on such storys to make so serious comments and draw conclusions as he did in his article!
Mr Ribeiro also remarks:
“ But the outburst of Mohan Bhagwat against Mother Teresa, an acknowledged saint — acknowledged by all communities and peoples — has put me back on the hit list. Even more so because BJP leaders, like Meenakshi Lekhi, chose to justify their chief’s remarks.”
What was the outburst of Mohan Bhagwat? I learnt that he said “Mother Theresa intended to convert and service was the face of it”. Is this an “outburst”? Even if there is, the way to counter it, is to issue a counter statement and close the matter, because in democracy where freedom of expression is a fundamental right, if one disagrees with any statement it should be countered by another statement. There is no scope for hue and cry as if the heaven has fallen unless one has a hidden agenda. So Bhagwat’s statement need not have received the kind of reaction that it received unless there was a hidden agenda to polarise people by playing victim. More over in a democracy no one is above criticism, whether mother Theresa or Mahatma Gandhi.
Next, my “hero” chooses to wilfully mix diverse issues:
“Ghar wapsi”, the declaration of Christmas as “Good Governance Day”, the attack on Christian churches and schools in Delhi, all added to a sense of siege that now afflicts these peaceful people
‘Ghar wapsi’ is related to religious conversion and needs to be debated separately at length. A B Vajpayee’s birthday is celebrated as Good Governance Day, if it falls on Christmas day blame the creator, blaming the government is unfair. The next issue mentioned is “attack on Christian schools and churches in Delhi” – I have a serious objection here, after all what exactly is “attack on Christians”? How do you define “attack”? Any case of robbery or theft becomes attack on community? Or is it a deliberate attempt to defame my mother land before the world community?
He then laments:
“What should I do? What can I do to restore my confidence? I was born in this country. So were my ancestors, some 5,000 or more years ago. If my DNA is tested, it will not differ markedly from Bhagwat’s. It will certainly be the same as the country’s defence minister’s as our ancestors arrived in Goa with the sage Parshuram at the same time. Perhaps we share a common ancestor somewhere down the line. It is an accident of history that my forefathers converted and his did not. I do not and never shall know the circumstances that made it so”
This is an important observation, he admits the same DNA but stops short of analysing why he is a Christian today and cleverly calls it “an accident”, because going into depth will expose him. It is true that not only his and defence minster’s but even my ancestors are same, though I have born in a place 350 km to the South of Goa. Here it was incumbent upon him to check what exactly made his ancestors embrace Christianity? ( And my ancestors to flee Goa) Is it love of God /Jesus Christ or the force or torture from criminal saint Francis Xavier and his cruel gang? An IPS officer can’t be so ignorant about his own history unless he deliberately chooses to do so! He ought to know the History of Inquisition and its horrifying impact on Indian society.
Then why did Mr Ribeiro conclude such dreary views of my mother land called Bharat? Obviously to understand this one has to understand the depth and impact “religious teachings” have on young minds during their childhood, that even after serving the full term of eminent service in Indian bureaucracy, this “fear” of Christians being “unsafe” in this country remains unchanged deep in a corner of the sub conscious mind! Which lead to remarks of the kind we saw!
It is not for the first time that I am confronting a senior learned man from my own community, whom the entire society held in high respect. I have seen IPS officers who served with integrity during service but after retirement show these leanings to victimhood of Christians. One retired joint commissioner of Delhi police having roots in Mangalore outraging on a English channel during 2008 church attack made news. A retired high court judge, with whom I had to differ on his findings on the infamous so called Mangalore church attacks of 2008, was also an eminent jurist and known for integrity honesty and impartial judgements, but after retirement when it comes to analysing “church attacks” the prejudice of the indoctrinated minds was clearly visible! So how poisonous could have been the teachings at young age which have this life time impact on the minds!
It is not today I am seeing such utterances for the first time but observing since 1977, the year Congress lost power at the centre for the first time! We the Christians were never bothered when the whole country was fighting emergency, but felt ‘very unsafe’ the moment Congress was thrown out of power! And we took to streets protesting and spreading panic! And it continued whenever Congress lost at centre, in 1989-90 during V P Singh rule at centre and Mulayam singh (today’s secular champions) at UP we took to street protesting ‘rape’ of nuns in UP and shouted slogans condemning V P Singh and Mulayam! And so on & so forth to this day!
– Robert Rosario , a social and political activist, Mangalore.


A Christian responds to a Christian who felt “he was a stranger in his own country”

 

[GodToons]

When someone who's served India so sincerely for so long, supercop Julio Ribeiro feels this, something's very wrong

Nothing but propaganda of Congress and foreign NGO, tactically supported by AAP

A Christian responds to a Christian who felt “he was a stranger in his own country”

 

[Ragnar]

With a hangover, I feel like a stranger in my own bedroom.

 

[sherin616]

Look, What is happening to christian is not because they are christians. When you try to create an enmity between brothers, You try to grab land on the name of religion, you try to insult other religion to propagate your eveil design and you witness some reaction or resistance, it is not the fault of others. I have met many Christians who shall always try to impress you with Christianity and try to convert you. Their history is full of eveil like burning the women naming her witch. Better we get rid of them. Mr. Rebero must be bought to public domain for discussion and exposed.

"""Their history is full of eveil like burning the women naming her witch.""""

Dont make stupid comments if you dont know any thing about christanity you are talking british rituals stupid
I can challange you there no such thing in bible
and dont forget about sati


me too feel like alianated even in the most secular state in kerala
comparing to muslims and hindus christanity is the most peace full community and even allow mixed marriages

 

[HariPrasad]

When someone who's served India so sincerely for so long, supercop Julio Ribeiro feels this, something's very wrong

Yes something wrong with his mentalty.

"""Their history is full of eveil like burning the women naming her witch.""""

Dont make stupid comments if you dont know any thing about christanity you are talking british rituals stupid
I can challange you there no such thing in bible
and dont forget about sati


me too feel like alianated even in the most secular state in kerala
comparing to muslims and hindus christanity is the most peace full community and even allow mixed marriages

Do not expose your naive by posting your stupid post.

Here the issue is that sati used to happen voluntarily and no priest used to issue decree of Burning her alive.Still we accept that there were some bad customs of dark age and none other than our priests such as Dayanad saraswati, Swami Vivekananda fought with it to remove that from our society. On other hand eveil act of you people is still on. Even today you use force AND LUST to convert innocent Adivasis to Christians. You guys open the school on the name of that evil priest Xevior who burnt many Hindus alive in Goa. Rather than getting ashamed of the behavior of Xeviors and alike, you tell them saint. In Christianity, Saints are one who burn people alive?

Christianity and peaceful? We have seen 2 world wars and who started that. We also know the role played by that evil pop in world war and how he supported Mussolini and Hitler and their mass slaughter.
You can worship those killer as saints. We do not mind. Christianity is fast shrinking and it is a meter of time before it disappears and become a past.

 

[sherin616]

Yes something wrong with his mentalty.

Do not expose your naive by posting your stupid post.

Here the issue is that sati used to happen voluntarily and no priest used to issue decree of Burning her alive.Still we accept that there were some bad customs of dark age and none other than our priests such as Dayanad saraswati, Swami Vivekananda fought with it to remove that from our society. On other hand eveil act of you people is still on. Even today you use force AND LUST to convert innocent Adivasis to Christians. You guys open the school on the name of that evil priest Xevior who burnt many Hindus alive in Goa. Rather than getting ashamed of the behavior of Xeviors and alike, you tell them saint. In Christianity, Saints are one who burn people alive?

Christianity and peaceful? We have seen 2 world wars and who started that. We also know the role played by that evil pop in world war and how he supported Mussolini and Hitler and their mass slaughter.
You can worship those killer as saints. We do not mind. Christianity is fast shrinking and it is a meter of time before it disappears and become a past.

chritanity is not eurpion
Culture it middle east relegion



If hindus are peace full people why the inequlity
And poor hindus low cast hindus joined christanity because of these inequality and how money

 

[HariPrasad]

chritanity is not eurpion
Culture it middle east relegion



If hindus are peace full people why the inequlity
And poor hindus low cast hindus joined christanity because of these inequality and how money

Yes, we have that inequality. We had that in our dark age. We fought it to reduce it and successed in marginalizing that. We are not like you people where roman catholic do not go to a protestant church to pray. Can you tell me how many pops attacked or murdered by christian themselves. On the name of religion, they have grabbed the land of poor people. You people are doing this through out the world. There is a famous quote from one African Adivasi. When they came here, they had bible and we had land. Now we have bible and they have land.
Good thing is that christianity is shrinking very fast. It is a matter of time before it disappear.

 

[Thorough Pro]

So you (Christians) became a tool in the hands of majority hindus to oppress Sikh minority, forgetting that some day you could end-up at the other end of the stick and now that it has happened you are proudly admitting your role in oppression of one minority to complain aggression against your minority group?

do you want to collect sympathies for what you are going through now, or pity that you are still as numb as you were 29 years ago?

(addressed to the writer, not the OP)

There was a time, not very long ago — one year short of 30, to be precise — when only a Christian was chosen to go to Punjab to fight what then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi termed “the nation’s battle” against separatists. I had accepted a “demotion” from secretary in the Union home ministry to DGP of the state of Punjab at the personal request of the prime minister.

Then home secretary, Ram Pradhan, and my dear friend, B.G. Deshmukh, then chief secretary to the government of Maharashtra, were flabbergasted. “Why did you accept this assignment?” they asked. The same question was put to me over the phone by then President Zail Singh. But Arjun Singh, the cabinet minister who personally escorted me by special aircraft from Delhi to Chandigarh, remarked that when my appointment was announced the next morning, the Hindus of Punjab would breathe more freely and rejoice. I presume Hindus would include RSS cadres who had been pinned into a corner by the separatists.

When 25 RSS men on parade were shot dead in cold blood one morning, then Punjab Governor S.S. Ray and I rushed to the spot to console the stricken families. The governor visited 12 homes, I visited the rest. The governor’s experience was different from mine. He was heckled and abused. I was welcomed.

Today, in my 86th year, I feel threatened, not wanted, reduced to a stranger in my own country. The same category of citizens who had put their trust in me to rescue them from a force they could not comprehend have now come out of the woodwork to condemn me for practising a religion that is different from theirs. I am not an Indian anymore, at least in the eyes of the proponents of the Hindu Rashtra.

Is it coincidence or a well-thought-out plan that the systematic targeting of a small and peaceful community should begin only after the BJP government of Narendra Modi came to power last May? “Ghar wapsi”, the declaration of Christmas as “Good Governance Day”, the attack on Christian churches and schools in Delhi, all added to a sense of siege that now afflicts these peaceful people.

Christians have consistently punched above their weight — not as much as the tiny Parsi community, but just as noticeably. Education, in particular, has been their forte. Many schools, colleges, related establishments that teach skills for jobs have been set up and run by Christians. They are much in demand. Even diehard Hindus have sought admission in such centres of learning and benefited from the commitment and sincerity of Christian teachers. Incidentally, no one seems to have been converted to Christianity, though many, many have imbibed Christian values and turned “pseudo-secularist”.

Hospitals, nursing homes, hospices for dying cancer patients needing palliative care — many of these are run by Christian religious orders or Christian laymen devoted to the service of humanity. Should they desist from doing such humanitarian work for fear of being so admired and loved that a stray beneficiary converts of his or her own accord? Should only Hindus be permitted to do work that could sway the sentiments of stricken people in need of human love and care?
The Indian army was headed by a Christian general, the navy more than once, and same with the air force. The country’s defence forces have countless men and women in uniform who are Christians. How can they be declared non-Indians by Parivar hotheads out to create a pure Hindu Rashtra?

It is tragic that these extremists have been emboldened beyond permissible limits by an atmosphere of hate and distrust. The Christian population, a mere 2 per cent of the total populace, has been subjected to a series of well-directed body blows. If these extremists later turn their attention to Muslims, which seems to be their goal, they will invite consequences that this writer dreads to imagine.

I was somewhat relieved when our prime minister finally spoke up at a Christian function in Delhi a few days ago. But the outburst of Mohan Bhagwat against Mother Teresa, an acknowledged saint — acknowledged by all communities and peoples — has put me back on the hit list. Even more so because BJP leaders, like Meenakshi Lekhi, chose to justify their chief’s remarks.

What should I do? What can I do to restore my confidence? I was born in this country. So were my ancestors, some 5,000 or more years ago. If my DNA is tested, it will not differ markedly from Bhagwat’s. It will certainly be the same as the country’s defence minister’s as our ancestors arrived in Goa with the sage Parshuram at the same time. Perhaps we share a common ancestor somewhere down the line. It is an accident of history that my forefathers converted and his did not. I do not and never shall know the circumstances that made it so.

What does reassure me in these twilight years, though, is that there are those of the predominant Hindu faith who still remember my small contribution to the welfare of the country of our birth. During a recent trip to Rajgurunagar in the Khed taluka of Pune district to visit schools that my NGO, The Bombay Mothers and Children Welfare Society, had adopted, I stopped at Lonavla for idli and tea. A group of middle-aged Maharashtrians sitting on the next table recognised me and stopped to greet and talk. A Brahmin couple returning from Kuwait (as I later learnt) also came up to inquire if I was who I was and then took a photograph with me.

It warmed the cockles of my heart that ordinary Hindus, not known to me, still thought well of me and would like to be friends 25 years after my retirement, when I could not directly serve them. It makes me hope that ordinary Hindu men and women will not be swayed by an ideology that seeks to spread distrust and hate with consequences that must be avoided at all cost.

The writer, a retired IPS officer,was Mumbai police commissioner,DGP Gujarat and DGP Punjab,and is a former Indian ambassador to Romania

- See more at: As a Christian, suddenly I am a stranger in my own country, writes Julio Ribeiro | The Indian Express

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

chritanity is not eurpion
Culture it middle east relegion

If hindus are peace full people why the inequlity
And poor hindus low cast hindus joined christanity because of these inequality and how money

Jesus was an Arab, but Christianity is most certainly European. All its practices are european.

What has Hindu peaceful nature got anything to do with inequality ? ...... inequality is the law of nature.

Out castes were the result of Islamic and christian invasion, and like the muslims who converted due to muslim kings, the christian too converted due to christian rule. Hindu "inequality" had nothing to do with it.

 

[sherin616]

Jesus was an Arab, but Christianity is most certainly European. All its practices are european.

What has Hindu peaceful nature got anything to do with inequality ? ...... inequality is the law of nature.

Out castes were the result of Islamic and christian invasion, and like the muslims who converted due to muslim kings, the christian too converted due to christian rule. Hindu "inequality" had nothing to do with it.

If inequality is not from Hinduism can you explain the story of mahabali and no entry to temple.laying hot lead in the ear of lower cast who studied vedha


EverE religious folowers did bad things in history but Christians in last 3 or 4 decade changed but hinduism is going back wardvery

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

If inequality is not from Hinduism can you explain the story of mahabali and no entry to temple.laying hot lead in the ear of lower cast who studied vedha

EverE religious folowers did bad things in history but Christians in last 3 or 4 decade changed but hinduism is going back wardvery

LOL.... why don't you explain why Christians were branded as witches and burned alive by the Church ? Why don't you explain the christian inquisition ? Why don't you explain the rape of choir boys by the priests and the church looking the other way ?

Why don't you explain the pouring of hot lead into the mouth of non believer when they refused to convert to christianity ?

Mahabali was given salvation by the lord. Filthy people cannot enter temples. and Manusmriti was corrupted and was later corrected. It was and is a Smriti. A book that changes with the time.

Spare me your "opinion" about Hinduism ........ I value it no more than the rabid opinions of the pakistanis here. Based and born out of Religious bigotry.

 

[sherin616]

QUOTE="HariPrasad, post: 6954485, member: 148399"]Yes, we have that inequality. We had that in our dark age. We fought it to reduce it and successed in marginalizing that. We are not like you people where roman catholic do not go to a protestant church to pray. Can you tell me how many pops attacked or murdered by christian themselves. On the name of religion, they have grabbed the land of poor people. You people are doing this through out the world. There is a famous quote from one African Adivasi. When they came here, they had bible and we had land. Now we have bible and they have land.
Good thing is that christianity is shrinking very fast. It is a matter of time before it disappear.[/QUOTE]
Who are you making fool of
You are talking about colonization of Britain

So you are talking in equality was in dark ages jusg search in Google

And I never heard of Christian killing christian if you know quote me of some links pls