Arundhati says Cong is double-faced on Maoists

[Nemesis]

Explaining the economics behind iron ore mining, Arundhati quoting from Lokayukta's report said, while the government earns Rs 24 per tonne, the mining company gets Rs 5,000.

These statistic is from a government report. Yet, none of you corporate fan boys seem to care that India's national wealth is being sold off to mining companies without the Tribals or any of you getting any benefit whatsoever.

Rs 24 for every 5000 a mining company makes? Are we living under the East India company rule? Why isnt this issue being highlighted? Why are all of you talking about the Maoists, when the real problem is this? Maoists are an effect of the exploitation of the tribals. The cause is the systematic exploitation of mineral resources by corporates, with the backing of the government. Focus on the cause, not the effect.

 

[Dash]

What are the factors politically that have played a role in Indian govt's mishandling of this issue over the decades ?

Hi Jana -

The question you have raised is actually has to be answered in two different ways..

1. The Government means Government of India
2. The Government - State goverment.

the Indian federal system and its form of government was traditionally described as being 'quasi-federal' with a strong centre and weaker states, but it has grown increasingly federal since the late 1990s as a result of political, economic and social changes.
Under the former GOI rulers post independence when the centre was actually trying to develope the financial centres of India. the villages and its villegers were ignored, and here no one were to blame given the start of a country post independence is poised to a slow growth, and no offences here to any one, The centre predominantly got itself involved in managing hostile neighbours, planning and excution of national level laws and PREDOMINANTLY BROADER issues of nation than considering the internal issues..

here the weaker states who were mostly dependant on centre for any developement work, deliberately or indeliberately neglected the deeper and remote section of society.

The issue has its roots to the federal system of Indian constitution. there was supposed to be a balance in power distribution, which the policy makers didnt probably see..

because when you talk about developement, you need to develope a country from its farms and fields, meaning nothing but villages. which would have been only possible if the states were given a better authority to take decisions in their favor.

I am completely ignoring the corruption or whatever happened in rise of this political imbalance India was going through. However this is the broader picture.

Now that the damage had happened, in late 90s when the politicla reforms were happening, a new gruelling issue was blossoming in much ignored sedtions of the society. which gave birth to this Arms violence ..

Called as Maosim. however considering the fact that Maoism is a term and a sect which has its wide spread arms in much lager countries in world. In India it has taken a completely different reform. The issue is here not power but teach the country a lesson....

Now that Indian govt structure more state oriented and has imparted better rights to states in taking decisive measures in state matters now in a trap to tackle this issue as terrorism, where the states have unanimously voted this as law and order issue...

Now its upto the states to make the govt fail or succeed.

The political equation is changed now......

 

[HariSeldon]

I wonder why people always tend to look at communists as a bad influence. What they want is equitable growth and equal distribution of wealth. Maoists are an off shoot of this communist group.

You mean USSR style? No prize for trying something different ? No fruits for taking risk? What happened to USSR then?

A question to all you anti maoists. All of you know the speed of bureaucracy in India. You know the Delays/bribes/kickbacks and other kind of Bureaucratic Appeasements happening for tasks as mundane as getting a ration card/driving license to something as important as national defence (MRCA Selection). Even if you are a Tax paying Upper middle class guy, you have to oil his hands with moolah to get your work done. And you are going to do the same. PAy the money and get the work done. That is to say, that you, inspite of being a college educated tax paying citizen, are forced to get your work done in a dishonest way.

Atleast qualify how you see MRCA getting delayed due to burecracy. They are working as per time table. Sorry if they just cann't make selection on the basis of dreams they had last night.
And for corruption, no you are not forced to oil the hands. You do that becaue you don't want to stand in queue. You don't want to fill up forms. You want to just sign and get your work done. Don't make excuse when you are the one supporting the corruption.
And all developing nations are facing the menace of corruption. French president is implicated in corruption charges. Its no excuse for the violance against state. Period

Imagine the plight of Adivasis/tribals and these poverty struck forest dwelling, technology less, illiterate people. Do you think that the compensations promised by the Government are enough to meet their needS? Irrespective of the gap between what is lost and what is being compensated, do you think that the paltry compensation reaches the impacted people fully?

Read post no 98. Tatas are agreed to 12 of there 13 demands and still there prj is stuck for five years. They are not only promising money, much more than that.

Yes tribals need help, but the PPL like AR and thier ilk are fast becoming part of the problem. When ever there is talk abt maoist they try to confuse ppl mixing it with tribals.
I wonder why they bring tribals in discussion regarding maoist and when asked abt there violance against the election, they will say that they are talking abt tribals. Well discssion is abt maoist and they are bringing tribals in eqn. Its upto them to them to explain the maoist violance.

Let me enumerate the points for simpler understanding.
1) No education
2) No represenataion in Government
3) No access to Wealth
4) Only wealth of Forest/rivers being plundered
5) Only way of livelihood getting systematically destroyed..
6) Basically you are pushed to a corner...

In such a case, what kind of an approach would you take? Pushed to a corner, wont your instincts be to fight. The Government has to give up a lot to bring these hounded people to the table to talks.

I guess you must have heard of him.
The water man of Rajasthan
I have yet to find him giving press meet in five start hotels and globetrotting the world. But he is bringing change in lifes of thousands of pll. He is making difference.
Of the 6 pnts you have listed. Only imp point is 2. Rest is minor issue of 2 can be taken care of.
Now tell me what AR and his supporters were doing when in last year election maoist tried there best to deny the tribals their right to vote? Is it so difficult for that no bleeding heart neo-cons can help tribals decipher the "democracy"?
Its said that 33% of India is effected by maoist and still these jholawalas can' t help tribals to win 2-3% of seats in parliament. NCP has 9 members. NC has 2 members. SP and BSP with 21 & 22 members get their way with govt.
Do you understand why IN does not have 2-3 party system like most countries in West? Why any tom-dick-harry is allowed to form the party and contest election? We are so diverse that ppl deciding the framework for future IN saw the need of regional parties to bring the regional issue on the national level with peaceful means.
Why not these ppl losing there sleep over tribals help them unlock the potential of there ballot.
Well let me tell you they looked other way when maoist didnt allowed tribals to participate in election. But yes for them today democracy in IN is in state of emergency. What 2-faced ppl are they.

 

[RollingStones]

In my opinion the best way to solve this menace is to form governance committees in areas where Maoists feel that their people have been let down and include Maoists in their committees. Then give them 2 years to work to bring about change in those areas through policy planning and implementation. Communicate to the entire nation if these guys can bring about change that they are fighting for or if the outfit is just yet another attempt to hoard power. I am of the strong belief that Maoists have no agenda and are using violence as a political tool for no apparent end reason. If the Indian government wants to show these guys in true light, they need to show them incapable of governance and policy making. They they will have zero support from the very people they claim to represent.

 

[ramu]

In my opinion the best way to solve this menace is to form governance committees in areas where Maoists feel that their people have been let down and include Maoists in their committees. Then give them 2 years to work to bring about change in those areas through policy planning and implementation. Communicate to the entire nation if these guys can bring about change that they are fighting for or if the outfit is just yet another attempt to hoard power. I am of the strong belief that Maoists have no agenda and are using violence as a political tool for no apparent end reason. If the Indian government wants to show these guys in true light, they need to show them incapable of governance and policy making. They they will have zero support from the very people they claim to represent.

Thanks for the ideas but it is a much more complex issue than what you think ...

 

[psychedelic_renegade]

NO TTP is totally different issue. They have never been political entity.

They are just recent phenomenon and above all they have many foreign funding friends though for their own bigger strategic goals.

TTP people are linked with al-qaeda too whereas Maoists struggle or movement whatever you call it was never based on advocating religious self-made ideology .

Indians themselves accept that their struggle started from demands for social alleviating which turned violent mainly due to Indian govt's apathy towards solving their problems.


But as its your internal matter so if you think Maoists are terrorists like TTP people then why dont you start an operation against them ?

While there is fundamental difference between in naxals and talibans if you see the end result, naxals aint too far away from talibans when it comes to commiting atrocities. Something to ponder about- tribals never were naxals main weapon, rather a tool to achieve there success. Historically the movement spearheaded by the self-styled commies from JNU of Delhi and presidency/JU of Kolkata and it has been romanticized by bloggers, writers. I wonder if ever maoists come to power, are we going to see a cultural revolution as executed by Mao. But off course these elites always have the option to fly from country if things turn from bad to ugly.

 

[below_freezing]

A communist revolution in India is the only way for India to quickly escape its current feudal superstition, poverty and corruption.

Restore order and pride to Indian government. Down with corruption and police brutality. Long live the People's Republic of India and the Communist Party of India (Maoist).

A new era for socialism in India, revolution in 2015.

 

[genetic_nomad]

A communist revolution in India is the only way for India to quickly escape its current feudal superstition, poverty and corruption.

Restore order and pride to Indian government. Down with corruption and police brutality. Long live the People's Republic of India and the Communist Party of India (Maoist).

A new era for socialism in India, revolution in 2015.

lol freezing, amusing comments. I highly doubt communism will gain significant public approval in India, plus communism can't guarantee freedom from corruption. I'm sure you'd agree even china continues to struggle with corruption. Communism has worked pretty well for your nation, but I can't see India becoming communist, if anything I see it becoming more democratic as people move away from caste/religion based politics and hold the govt accountable for economic development. Peace

 

[RollingStones]

Thanks for the ideas but it is a much more complex issue than what you think ...

One of the obstacles Indian planners are going to face is the success of Maoists in Nepal. After decades of turmoil, they actually came to political power there. This would not be lost on Indian Maoists. There is no bigger motivation than seeing someone succeed for what you believe in. This is a huge propaganda tool that the Maoists will be telling their cadres/comrades. People run on hopes and aspirations. Unless India takes steps to neutralize such aspirations, Maoists will think that they will come to power one day and will keep working toward that. Remember China has a hand to play in all this. Who knows they may be financing Maoists' operations and could have had a hand in them coming to power in Nepal? Maoist issue certainly is not a simple issue. I think more forces are at play here.

 

[bluefox]

One of the obstacles Indian planners are going to face is the success of Maoists in Nepal. After decades of turmoil, they actually came to political power there. This would not be lost on Indian Maoists. There is no bigger motivation than seeing someone succeed for what you believe in. This is a huge propaganda tool that the Maoists will be telling their cadres/comrades. People run on hopes and aspirations. Unless India takes steps to neutralize such aspirations, Maoists will think that they will come to power one day and will keep working toward that. Remember China has a hand to play in all this. Who knows they may be financing Maoists' operations and could have had a hand in them coming to power in Nepal? Maoist issue certainly is not a simple issue. I think more forces are at play here.

Well some things work at certian places and times..Maoism sarted in Nepal 12 years ago and now they are in power but in india it started in 1967(44 years).No matter how much u motivate,conclusions depend on different paramaters.

well we are well aware of external helps to these bloody dogs and to be frank we are working at places where we can work upon.(Bhutan,bangladesh,Burma,Nepal) but the fact of the matter is we cannot handle china on this matter as we do with pak,diplomatically we donot have such strength right now,so our statergy should be to contain them where they can be contained and the hit them hard at home so that Maoist supporters donot find any agents in india to carry on their dirty agenda in India.