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Arundhati Roy calls for end to Indian ‘occupation’ of Kashmir

Indians moved troops into Junagadh when clearly the state was trying to seceede to Pakistan. Indians take pride in being dishonest and cheaters. Kashmir will be azad, because they don't want anything to do with you. I don't care if it's 200 years from now. They may align themselves with India to improve their infrastructure and global awareness, but they will separate from you Imperialists as soon as they get the chance, because you do not respect their wishes.

Looks likes Indians are stuck in stockholm syndrome and now emulating their British masters by oppressing people. What a sad day. :no:
 
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The Indian forces landed in Kashmir on the morning of 27 October 1947; and Pakistani governments and Pakistani backed parties are encouraged and helped to observe that day as a Black Day. I have no problem with that. However, this fact should be understood that if there was no tribal attack on 22 October 1947, there would not have been any need to seek help from India, and the Indian troops would not have landed on 27 October. In other words, 27 October is a by product of the events that started on 22 October; and without this unprovoked aggression, aim of which was to capture the Kashmiri Capital, we could have been an independent State.

Some people in order to justify the ‘Tribal Invasion’ claim that the tribesmen came there to help Muslims who were being butchered by Hindus and Sikhs in Jammu. This story is totally wrong; and is advanced only to provide a cover to the atrocities of these savage tribesmen. Communal riots started in Jammu in third week of August 1947 when non Muslims uprooted from Pakistani Punjab poured in to Jammu from Sialkot and Gujrat areas. Horror stories and condition of these ‘migrants’ provided fuel required to start riots and non Muslims from outside the State also took part in these riots in which Muslims were the main target.



If aim of this tribal attack was to help Muslims who were killed in riots then they should have proceeded towards Jammu where Muslims were in minority. They could have entered the State territory from Sialkot which is only about 28 miles from Jammu or from Gujrat. Furthermore, why did they wait till 22 October (two months) before they launched this tribal attack, Muslims of Jammu needed urgent help in August 1947, but Pakistani government and these Tribesmen did not make any move, they did not even issues a statement against these riots.

The reason for this is that until mid October 1947, Pakistani authorities were under this impression that the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir will accede with Pakistan; and by helping Muslims of Jammu (when they were under attack) or by speaking in their support the Government of Pakistan did not want to annoy the Maharaja and risk losing Jammu and Kashmir. However, when Pakistani government realised that the Maharaja did not want to join Pakistan and wanted to remain independent; and he even refused to allow Mohammed Ali Jinnah to visit Srinagar for a holiday, they decided to teach him a lesson.



Pakistani government was really annoyed and felt humiliated and let down. They decided to punish the Maharaja and take over Kashmir by force. In complete violation of the Standstill Agreement they stopped all the essential supplies including food and oil entering the State; and despite repeated requests from the Maharaja government, Pakistan did not allow resumption of supplies of essential goods to Jammu and Kashmir.



To make matters worse for the Maharaja, Pakistan government encouraged a rebellion in Poonch where Muslims were very resentful. Muslim soldiers who took part in the Second World War had returned to their homes and were more conscious of their rights and use of gun. Furthermore Pakistan accused the Maharajah government for attacking Pakistani territory; and demanded that either the Maharaja or his Prime Minister should immediately visit Karachi (Pakistan) to resolve these issues.



The Maharaja denied these charges, and said how his small army (8000, in total and scattered in various parts of the State) could attack Pakistan; and for what purpose he would do that. Both governments exchanged telegrams to resolve these issues between second week of October and 19th October 1947; and the Maharaja suggested to set up a Joint Commission to investigate these matters. Pakistani government showed no interest in any kind of investigation or any Commission; and while these communications were going on, Pakistan assembled tribesmen from North West Frontier in name of Jihad and attacked the Valley of Kashmir which had overwhelming Muslim majority, and where there were no riots and Muslims were not under attack.



Clearly the aim was not to help surrounded Muslims of Jammu, but to punish the Maharaja by capturing his capital – Srinagar. As noted earlier if the aim was to help Muslims of Jammu then the tribesmen should have been directed to Jammu Province via Sialkot and Gujrat; and that attack should have taken place in August 1947, and not on 22 October.



In this brutal attack non Muslims were the main target – their men were systematically killed, their women were raped and kidnapped and taken back to North West Frontier. Their houses were burnt; however, the tribesmen showed great equality when it came to looting- they looted everyone; even those items which were stored in a Masjid (Mosque) by Muslims and non Muslims hoping that Muslim tribesmen will not loot their belongings from a place of worship, were also looted. Any Muslim who tried to protect non Muslims and criticised these tribesmen were also killed on spot. It is believed that more than 30 thousands people lost their lives in this brutal attack.



To us 22 October is rightly called a Black Day, but to rub salt in our wounds, and to hide their crimes, imperialists of Pakistan and their foot soldiers camouflaged their crimes in name of religion and fabricated false stories to justify their atrocities and naked aggression. Sad thing is that these people have not learnt anything, and they still continue to promote those policies which divide people in name of religion; and time has come that we people of Jammu and Kashmir stand up and be counted.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history/137002-tribal-invasion-pakistan-s-first-proxy-war.html

Truth About Kashmir that you people Ignore

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The Indian forces landed in Kashmir on the morning of 27 October 1947; and Pakistani governments and Pakistani backed parties are encouraged and helped to observe that day as a Black Day. I have no problem with that. However, this fact should be understood that if there was no tribal attack on 22 October 1947, there would not have been any need to seek help from India, and the Indian troops would not have landed on 27 October. In other words, 27 October is a by product of the events that started on 22 October; and without this unprovoked aggression, aim of which was to capture the Kashmiri Capital, we could have been an independent State.

Some people in order to justify the ‘Tribal Invasion’ claim that the tribesmen came there to help Muslims who were being butchered by Hindus and Sikhs in Jammu. This story is totally wrong; and is advanced only to provide a cover to the atrocities of these savage tribesmen. Communal riots started in Jammu in third week of August 1947 when non Muslims uprooted from Pakistani Punjab poured in to Jammu from Sialkot and Gujrat areas. Horror stories and condition of these ‘migrants’ provided fuel required to start riots and non Muslims from outside the State also took part in these riots in which Muslims were the main target.



If aim of this tribal attack was to help Muslims who were killed in riots then they should have proceeded towards Jammu where Muslims were in minority. They could have entered the State territory from Sialkot which is only about 28 miles from Jammu or from Gujrat. Furthermore, why did they wait till 22 October (two months) before they launched this tribal attack, Muslims of Jammu needed urgent help in August 1947, but Pakistani government and these Tribesmen did not make any move, they did not even issues a statement against these riots.

The reason for this is that until mid October 1947, Pakistani authorities were under this impression that the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir will accede with Pakistan; and by helping Muslims of Jammu (when they were under attack) or by speaking in their support the Government of Pakistan did not want to annoy the Maharaja and risk losing Jammu and Kashmir. However, when Pakistani government realised that the Maharaja did not want to join Pakistan and wanted to remain independent; and he even refused to allow Mohammed Ali Jinnah to visit Srinagar for a holiday, they decided to teach him a lesson.



Pakistani government was really annoyed and felt humiliated and let down. They decided to punish the Maharaja and take over Kashmir by force. In complete violation of the Standstill Agreement they stopped all the essential supplies including food and oil entering the State; and despite repeated requests from the Maharaja government, Pakistan did not allow resumption of supplies of essential goods to Jammu and Kashmir.



To make matters worse for the Maharaja, Pakistan government encouraged a rebellion in Poonch where Muslims were very resentful. Muslim soldiers who took part in the Second World War had returned to their homes and were more conscious of their rights and use of gun. Furthermore Pakistan accused the Maharajah government for attacking Pakistani territory; and demanded that either the Maharaja or his Prime Minister should immediately visit Karachi (Pakistan) to resolve these issues.



The Maharaja denied these charges, and said how his small army (8000, in total and scattered in various parts of the State) could attack Pakistan; and for what purpose he would do that. Both governments exchanged telegrams to resolve these issues between second week of October and 19th October 1947; and the Maharaja suggested to set up a Joint Commission to investigate these matters. Pakistani government showed no interest in any kind of investigation or any Commission; and while these communications were going on, Pakistan assembled tribesmen from North West Frontier in name of Jihad and attacked the Valley of Kashmir which had overwhelming Muslim majority, and where there were no riots and Muslims were not under attack.



Clearly the aim was not to help surrounded Muslims of Jammu, but to punish the Maharaja by capturing his capital – Srinagar. As noted earlier if the aim was to help Muslims of Jammu then the tribesmen should have been directed to Jammu Province via Sialkot and Gujrat; and that attack should have taken place in August 1947, and not on 22 October.



In this brutal attack non Muslims were the main target – their men were systematically killed, their women were raped and kidnapped and taken back to North West Frontier. Their houses were burnt; however, the tribesmen showed great equality when it came to looting- they looted everyone; even those items which were stored in a Masjid (Mosque) by Muslims and non Muslims hoping that Muslim tribesmen will not loot their belongings from a place of worship, were also looted. Any Muslim who tried to protect non Muslims and criticised these tribesmen were also killed on spot. It is believed that more than 30 thousands people lost their lives in this brutal attack.



To us 22 October is rightly called a Black Day, but to rub salt in our wounds, and to hide their crimes, imperialists of Pakistan and their foot soldiers camouflaged their crimes in name of religion and fabricated false stories to justify their atrocities and naked aggression. Sad thing is that these people have not learnt anything, and they still continue to promote those policies which divide people in name of religion; and time has come that we people of Jammu and Kashmir stand up and be counted.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history/137002-tribal-invasion-pakistan-s-first-proxy-war.html

Truth About Kashmir that you people Ignore
 
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Where does it say that India currently deploys 700,000 troops in Kashmir?

well this figure is used by pakistanis..they increase zeros or multiply it by 2or 3..
few paksitanis says in gujrat riots 10000 muslims killed ,few says 30000 killed..:rofl:

upto maximum,2-3 lakh soldiers are there including police or paramilitary force but they say 700000..3 times :rofl:
 
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Where does it say that India currently deploys 700,000 troops in Kashmir?

Anyway, I am still waiting to learn how Kashmir's accession to India was in violation of law, and therefore sovereignty of India over Kashmir is 'illegitimate'.

My English must be lacking I guess:

India sent in some 700,000 troops and paramilitaries, who are still there.

But I agree with you that this article was from last year. So they took out most of at least 500,000 of their personnel from there.
 
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A.Roy should move to pk... She doesn't even get good crowd in literary meets.

Speaking against the system is the funky new trend for limelight.
 
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Indians moved troops into Junagadh when clearly the state was trying to seceede to Pakistan. Indians take pride in being dishonest and cheaters. Kashmir will be azad, because they don't want anything to do with you. I don't care if it's 200 years from now. They may align themselves with India to improve their infrastructure and global awareness, but they will separate from you Imperialists as soon as they get the chance, because you do not respect their wishes.

Looks likes Indians are stuck in stockholm syndrome and now emulating their British masters by oppressing people. What a sad day. :no:

let me give you simple answer by not twisting any thing.

1)kashmir is source of water for us.
2)if kashmir is gone then many other states of india will start to ask freedom..which means destablization of whole india.:no:
3)and we will kill every body who is against our intergrity.
4)simple option for pakistan is to accept the status quo,you cant do anything other than this.
5)you will lit up kashmir..we will do retaliate in baluchistan too.
6)and from now,there ill be no body to support you on platform coz west is with us and very hard against you.
 
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5)you will lit up kashmir..we will do retaliate in baluchistan too.

So you will kill each other with terrorism, and let China surge ahead?

That does sound like Indian thinking.
 
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let me give you simple answer by not twisting any thing.

1)kashmir is source of water for us.
2)if kashmir is gone then many other states of india will start to ask freedom..which means destablization of whole india.:no:
3)and we will kill every body who is against our intergrity.
4)simple option for pakistan is to accept the status quo,you cant do anything other than this.
5)you will lit up kashmir..we will do retaliate in baluchistan too.
6)and from now,there ill be no body to support you on platform coz west is with us and very hard against you.

And the Indians show their asal roop when given cold hard facts. Sigh. :hang2:
 
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A.Roy should move to pk... She doesn't even get good crowd in literary meets.

Speaking against the system is the funky new trend for limelight.

Her viewpoint is understood by the majority of Indians living in India who have been neglected their basic facilities of life by the government.

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'700,000' were sent when insurgency broke out and the 'troops and paramilitaries' are still there. DUH!

The English says the 700,000 troops went there, & are still there today.
 
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let me give you simple answer by not twisting any thing.

1)kashmir is source of water for us.
2)if kashmir is gone then many other states of india will start to ask freedom..which means destablization of whole india.:no:
3)and we will kill every body who is against our intergrity.
4)simple option for pakistan is to accept the status quo,you cant do anything other than this.
5)you will lit up kashmir..we will do retaliate in baluchistan too.
6)and from now,there ill be no body to support you on platform coz west is with us and very hard against you.

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I agree. That's what I've been saying from the start, but India needs to take the initiative since they have 700,000 troops there in the first place.
According to UN resolution, Pakistan should withdraw from Pakistan occupied Kashmir. Once you do that then India may think about plebiscite at its own time.
 
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And the Indians show their asal roop when given cold hard facts. Sigh. :hang2:

these are hard facts..apply it on your self..are u willing to give up B..no..why??it will create problem in other states too.
for further clue,read how usa was formed??they were all against each other but now standing united
 
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So you will kill each other with terrorism, and let China surge ahead?

That does sound like Indian thinking.

You are almost right except that you forgot to mention the chinese arming Pakistan so that both the countries fight each other and the Chinese can surge ahead.
 
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Her viewpoint is understood by the majority of Indians living in India who have been neglected their basic facilities of life by the government.

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WHAT???????????????????????????:laugh:

Come on ..cant laugh on jokes this lame.
 
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