Arunachal shows China how democracy works

[Honor]

Yes i know.I stated as much in my previous post.



Poverty is poverty.



By this definition we all are relatively poor to people like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates.



Every nation has different benchmarks of poverty. As both India's and China's benchmark is low, the less than 10% poverty figure of China is total bs.



No it isn't. By the way, i notice you completely ignored the rest of my post. Great cop out dude!

You are really a failure.

Poverty in US doesn't mean starvation or homeless. It is just below national average of income.

We are comparing China and India with income less than $1.25 per day. China's poverty is less than 10% and India poverty's at 40%. You pull in remark that US poverty is more than 10% which is "Relative poverty".

You again pull in useless comparison. Tocompare us to people like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. Please compare apple to apple, orange to orange. I hope your school teacher had teached you this basic concept.


Back to some other argument about Hitler and Mao that you had mentioned.

Hitler is considered a war criminal and is Mao a war criminal? Hitler policy had invaded other country and resulted in mass killing of innocent people.

Mao mistakes is not able to provide food for his people and resulted in people died of stalvation. He did not authorised mass killing by his solder.

Again this shows how stupid you are!


You had not answer by question.
1) Any country in the world recognize Tibet as Independent country?
2)South Tibet/AP is classified as disputed territory?

 

[Honor]

How perspective influences us all.

You say that South Tibet is disputed territory.

I could say that actually North Arunachal Pradesh is disputed territory.

So, when are y'all giving Tibet back to the rightful owners?

1) Just check the internet of South Tibet / AP classification.
2) Name any country that do not recognize Tibet as China's territory.

Just answer this 2 questions and do not drag useless comparision in. I will be grateful to you on this.

 

[grey boy 2]

Honor; He is a typical Indian troll, check out his post, he hardly ever

debate with LINK to back up, but thats uhderstandable, because he

will never to find true Facts to support himself.

You will be asking too much for an Indian troll to discuss anything that

is going to cause embarrassment for India.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

1) Just check the internet of South Tibet / AP classification.
2) Name any country that do not recognize Tibet as China's territory.

Just answer this 2 questions and do not drag useless comparision in. I will be grateful to you on this.

Perhaps you do not understand what I said, so let me elaborate. The Chinese claims - are just claims. Your country is the originator of irredentist history, the greater prosperity region, the Northeast project and so on.

If you can claim AP, I can can claim Tibet. Both POVs have as much basis in reality.

AP does not want your overlordship, just as Tibet did not.

Honor; He is a typical Indian troll, check out his post, he hardly ever

debate with LINK to back up, but thats uhderstandable, because he

will never to find true Facts to support himself.

You will be asking too much for an Indian troll to discuss anything that

is going to cause embarrassment for India.

And your 'debating' skills need to be enhanced. If you want to represent China, which is a great nation and superpower of the future, you are doing a pi$$ poor job.

 

[Moorkh]

Actually according to China, the whole world will be its property.
Arunachal is its property bcoz long, long ago, it belonged to Tibet, which China has unjustfully occupied.
Tommorow, it will put claims on Vietnam, Russia bcoz they all are communists.
Then they will put claims on most of the europe bcoz "long ago" Catherine, the great had captured many parts of it.
Next comes African nations bcoz "once" ago they were colonized by europeans.
And dont forget US bcoz US citizens are actually european immigrants!!!

Thank god, if martians ever existed, they died long ago before seeing the communist republic of china.

not appreciated.

you are blowing things out of proportion.

the chinese are claiming what they think are traditional parts of china.

if u start talking of chatherine the great n all, it gets really foolish

 

[ebungo]

not appreciated.

you are blowing things out of proportion.

the chinese are claiming what they think are traditional parts of china.

if u start talking of chatherine the great n all, it gets really foolish

C'mon what is wrong with his post !
I must say that is great ,there is the limit to claim to everything

When India sign border agreement with Tibet ,it was not annexe by china . How can we know china will be our neighbor .

 

[Honor]

Perhaps you do not understand what I said, so let me elaborate. The Chinese claims - are just claims. Your country is the originator of irredentist history, the greater prosperity region, the Northeast project and so on.

If you can claim AP, I can can claim Tibet. Both POVs have as much basis in reality.

AP does not want your overlordship, just as Tibet did not.



And your 'debating' skills need to be enhanced. If you want to represent China, which is a great nation and superpower of the future, you are doing a pi$$ poor job.

Check this out!
List of territorial disputes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No country had dispute with China claims on Tibet

South Tibet / AP is classified as disputed territory

 

[ankit.pokes7]

just addin to ur info no country has any dispute with china for tibet but tibet has dispute with china its like fighting for freedom.

 

[ankit.pokes7]

China per capita is $6K! That double India per Capita. Thats quite significant! How many years will India achieve that? Are you sure US poverty is 10%? I doubt your data!

Please just check through the internet and you can get information on China and India poverty rate. Stop around as like an idiot.

You have no right to claim illegal occupation of Tibet! Who do you think you are? No country had ever say Tibet is independence. Please name me one country . India recognise Tibet as China's territory for you information.

Mao did not killed his people directly. It is his policy that caused poverty and people died of hunger and this also affect people in Tibet .
Stop your bashing again like a idiot.

China should not support Pol Pot regime.

Our achievement will not make Hitler blush Maybe you will be blush as why Indian rank first in poverty rate. Do something for your countyman rather than escaping for reality.

I suggest you should let go of your over zealous ego. I am not bashing India but to put some information of what i had gathered. Challenge me constructively with your own argument.

ya now blame policy for killings. it seems u never take blame on urselfs

 

[wilsonnadar]

well some of the Chinese member talking about poverty in India, and GDP in China. (I wont say people in India are rich, and wealth is evenly distributed either). And they could access most English news site etc. Good to know that. I wrote what I personally went through in China, My own experience. So I don't need any one else to convince me that I missed something there. As I saw China, the government is rich, people are poor (most of them). you know how hard for a former to survive, and he go to city, and kind of job he does, and the amount he get paid? You will see more Audi on China's road then USA, Or Canada. That doesn't mean all Chinese are rich. In fact if a guy can afford a car he can very well afford an Audi ( a privileged group of people)
Go to any KTV, or any restaurant, and speak with the waitress, she will tell you what life in China is, and why she is working in a city way away from her home. Ask her or him why he did n able to continue their studies. Even most of the younger middle class who make around 2000RMB, cant afford to take daily shower in cities. cos they have to go to bath places, pay, and everyone stand in line like jail and take shower. and they cant afford it, and taking daily shower is kind of luxury. Or go ask a migrant worker about China. You know once one of my friend in china told me about a farmer who came to city, to save money so he can send his son to school? He buy a soup (from road side, cost around 2.5RMB), saves the meat in it, and keep boiling the meet with salt for another 2 days, and survive drinking the boiled water from it. its not an isolated incident in China . So don't tell China is any better. Chinese government always want to show their people, and the world that, what ever they are doing its the best etc. In reality, its kind of white washed grave. From out side looks great, but inside full of ____. And most of the Chinese person know only what Xinhua Says. and Xinhua never broadcast news which bad about China, or compromise any way. You all know the incident happened during Olympic inauguration. They made a girl lip sing in front of the audience , where as the girl who sang it kept in back, cos she wasn't cute enough. (I was lucky i saw that live) That's China. Everything glitter is not gold.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

well some of the Chinese member talking about poverty in India, and GDP in China. (I wont say people in India are rich, and wealth is evenly distributed either). And they could access most English news site etc. Good to know that. I wrote what I personally went through in China, My own experience. So I don't need any one else to convince me that I missed something there. As I saw China, the government is rich, people are poor (most of them). you know how hard for a former to survive, and he go to city, and kind of job he does, and the amount he get paid? You will see more Audi on China's road then USA, Or Canada. That doesn't mean all Chinese are rich. In fact if a guy can afford a car he can very well afford an Audi ( a privileged group of people)
Go to any KTV, or any restaurant, and speak with the waitress, she will tell you what life in China is, and why she is working in a city way away from her home. Ask her or him why he did n able to continue their studies. Even most of the younger middle class who make around 2000RMB, cant afford to take daily shower in cities. cos they have to go to bath places, pay, and everyone stand in line like jail and take shower. and they cant afford it, and taking daily shower is kind of luxury. Or go ask a migrant worker about China. You know once one of my friend in china told me about a farmer who came to city, to save money so he can send his son to school? He buy a soup (from road side, cost around 2.5RMB), saves the meat in it, and keep boiling the meet with salt for another 2 days, and survive drinking the boiled water from it. its not an isolated incident in China . So don't tell China is any better. Chinese government always want to show their people, and the world that, what ever they are doing its the best etc. In reality, its kind of white washed grave. From out side looks great, but inside full of ____. And most of the Chinese person know only what Xinhua Says. and Xinhua never broadcast news which bad about China, or compromise any way. You all know the incident happened during Olympic inauguration. They made a girl lip sing in front of the audience , where as the girl who sang it kept in back, cos she wasn't cute enough. (I was lucky i saw that live) That's China. Everything glitter is not gold.

What you say is only partially correct. I take it you live in Canada (toronto maybe) and of Cambodian decent. You've never been to India my young friend....

Also, you seem to be a "new" immigrant to canada, and don't know the ropes of yet. Whatever you described about china MORE applies to canada (yes I lived here many more years than you have, young man/woman)..... Take a look at Vancouver olympics, where they are hiding the (1) homeless, (2) prostitutes/pimps, (3) drug-users, etc from world view by shaking them up.

You are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to inexperienced to offer your "insights".... Until you've struggled with life and made good through your own hard efforts you will not understand the struggles the Chinese and Indians go through. If you did, you would recognize there is WAAAAAAAY more corruption in the White-controlled "western" regimes than elsewhere. Things only "appear" dirtier/poorer in other countries. Even for me, when I was much younger I had the same foolish outlook you do now. It will take time for you (if ever), but maybe, just maybe you will learn the ways of the world....

 

[vsdoc]

well some of the Chinese member talking about poverty in India, and GDP in China. (I wont say people in India are rich, and wealth is evenly distributed either). And they could access most English news site etc. Good to know that. I wrote what I personally went through in China, My own experience. So I don't need any one else to convince me that I missed something there. As I saw China, the government is rich, people are poor (most of them). you know how hard for a former to survive, and he go to city, and kind of job he does, and the amount he get paid? You will see more Audi on China's road then USA, Or Canada. That doesn't mean all Chinese are rich. In fact if a guy can afford a car he can very well afford an Audi ( a privileged group of people)
Go to any KTV, or any restaurant, and speak with the waitress, she will tell you what life in China is, and why she is working in a city way away from her home. Ask her or him why he did n able to continue their studies. Even most of the younger middle class who make around 2000RMB, cant afford to take daily shower in cities. cos they have to go to bath places, pay, and everyone stand in line like jail and take shower. and they cant afford it, and taking daily shower is kind of luxury. Or go ask a migrant worker about China. You know once one of my friend in china told me about a farmer who came to city, to save money so he can send his son to school? He buy a soup (from road side, cost around 2.5RMB), saves the meat in it, and keep boiling the meet with salt for another 2 days, and survive drinking the boiled water from it. its not an isolated incident in China . So don't tell China is any better. Chinese government always want to show their people, and the world that, what ever they are doing its the best etc. In reality, its kind of white washed grave. From out side looks great, but inside full of ____. And most of the Chinese person know only what Xinhua Says. and Xinhua never broadcast news which bad about China, or compromise any way. You all know the incident happened during Olympic inauguration. They made a girl lip sing in front of the audience , where as the girl who sang it kept in back, cos she wasn't cute enough. (I was lucky i saw that live) That's China. Everything glitter is not gold.

Bro you have just verbalized what the world has always suspected lies behind the Bamboo Curtain. What the world sees is a mirage, and what the world does not get to see, coz its hidden by force and the fear of death (with the family of the executed expected to pay for the bullet of course), is true Communist China's "SOCIALISM"!!!!!!!!!!

Cheers, Doc (Proud to be a Poor but Free Indian!)

 

[ankit.pokes7]

I don't think you are in a position to question a Chinese about

Tianamen Sguare protest .

As i said before, If Indians are happy with whats their decomcracy

brought them, thats fine.

Chinese's system well proved and speak for itself, we are happy, and

thats fine too.

Bottom line is Indians should not try to preach or show Chinese their

system which proved to have a lot of flaws.

what position r u talking about, comparing USA and west nations we r almost in the same position.
the thing we can do is to stop arguing and try to find an ultimate solution of ap.

 

[Nemesis]

You are really a failure.

Poverty in US doesn't mean starvation or homeless. It is just below national average of income.

I know it doesn't mean starvation but are you seriously suggesting that anyone below $35,000 is considered under the poverty line in the US? Are you really that stupid?

The majority of the poor in the US are poor immigrant families/ minorities who have no little to access to healthcare, who live in temporary homes like trailers, who children drop out of school at an early age, etc etc which results in the vicious circle of poverty.

Also about homelessness, do you really want me to put up statistics about homelessness in the US, after the US recession which was primary caused by housing?

We are comparing China and India with income less than $1.25 per day. China's poverty is less than 10% and India poverty's at 40%. You pull in remark that US poverty is more than 10% which is "Relative poverty".

Please show me a neutral link that says that China's poverty is less than 10%. Not one, mind you, that takes the PRC as a source. Fact is, if China poverty rate was less than 10% it would not be classified as a developing country.

You again pull in useless comparison. Tocompare us to people like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. Please compare apple to apple, orange to orange. I hope your school teacher had teached you this basic concept.

This argument was a result of your ridiculous definition of relative poverty.

Hitler is considered a war criminal and is Mao a war criminal? Hitler policy had invaded other country and resulted in mass killing of innocent people.

Mao is a mass murderer. The majority of people he killed were his own.

If we talk absolute numbers, yes Mao does put Hitler to shame.

Mao mistakes is not able to provide food for his people and resulted in people died of stalvation. He did not authorised mass killing by his solder.

No his mistakes were that he enacted domestic policies that resulted in the forced starvation of millions in China. His military expansionism that have left one million Tibetans dead and his completely low morals that had him supporting such a regime as the Khmer Rouge.

Not authorizing mass killings by his soldiers? Really? Pray tell me then how exactly did he defeat the counter revolutionary forces in China during the cultural revolution? by non violent Gandhian means?

Any country in the world recognize Tibet as Independent country?

I already answered this question - please enhance your ability to read. I can't keep repeating myself.

No,no country recognizes Tibet as an independent country. However,a lot of people in various nations certainly believe that Tibet should be free. My point is, if China continues its expansionist policies, India would need to rethink its position on Tibet.

South Tibet/AP is classified as disputed territory?

Claiming an area doesn't make the land a disputed territory. Atleast the Pakistanis have UN resolutions on Kashmir,pray tell me what resolutions does China have to back up the claim that AP is disputed internationally?

Honestly this discussion is pointless. Your failure to grasp points, your lack of reading skills, makes this exercise on my part redundant.

 

[Honor]

I know it doesn't mean starvation but are you seriously suggesting that anyone below $35,000 is considered under the poverty line in the US? Are you really that stupid?

The majority of the poor in the US are poor immigrant families/ minorities who have no little to access to healthcare, who live in temporary homes like trailers, who children drop out of school at an early age, etc etc which results in the vicious circle of poverty.

Also about homelessness, do you really want me to put up statistics about homelessness in the US, after the US recession which was primary caused by housing?



Please show me a neutral link that says that China's poverty is less than 10%. Not one, mind you, that takes the PRC as a source. Fact is, if China poverty rate was less than 10% it would not be classified as a developing country.



This argument was a result of your ridiculous definition of relative poverty.



Mao is a mass murderer. The majority of people he killed were his own.

If we talk absolute numbers, yes Mao does put Hitler to shame.



No his mistakes were that he enacted domestic policies that resulted in the forced starvation of millions in China. His military expansionism that have left one million Tibetans dead and his completely low morals that had him supporting such a regime as the Khmer Rouge.

Not authorizing mass killings by his soldiers? Really? Pray tell me then how exactly did he defeat the counter revolutionary forces in China during the cultural revolution? by non violent Gandhian means?



I already answered this question - please enhance your ability to read. I can't keep repeating myself.

No,no country recognizes Tibet as an independent country. However,a lot of people in various nations certainly believe that Tibet should be free. My point is, if China continues its expansionist policies, India would need to rethink its position on Tibet.



Claiming an area doesn't make the land a disputed territory. Atleast the Pakistanis have UN resolutions on Kashmir,pray tell me what resolutions does China have to back up the claim that AP is disputed internationally?

Honestly this discussion is pointless. Your failure to grasp points, your lack of reading skills, makes this exercise on my part redundant.

You are really ignorance!

If you insist to compare the poverty in US and China/India is of the same category, i must say you are really beyond hope.

I had no more exchange of comments with you.