Artillery Divisions of Pakistan Army

[Pakistani Fighter]

Is 300 SH 15 procurement deal done?

 

[Inception-06]

well I should accept my weakness about the orbat, so would mostly act silent reader in this thread ....

Me to !

 

[Cuirassier]

Good going @Gryphon

Wondering if 21 Arty Div has fully withdrawn from Malakand or not, or is it just Div less 2 bdes?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

We have dedicated threads for Pakistan Army Infantry Div's, Armoured Div's and Mechanized Div's. Here I have created one for Artillery Div's.



Raising history: Large-scale exercises code-named Zarb-e-Momin (1989) conducted by Pakistan Army in response to Operation Brasstacks helped develop its offensive-defense strategy or Doctrine of the Riposte. Assessments completed after the exercise noted that for the Strike Corps to make a significant breakthrough in the north, Artillery concentrations with adequate logistics were essential. This led to the raising of 2 Artillery Division in the 1990s, subordinate HQ 1 Strike Corps.

In the south, 21 Artillery Division came into existence in the late 2000's. This was placed under HQ 5 Corps and tasked to repel enemy offensives with massive artillery firepower.

Current chain of command: Currently, 2 and 21 Artillery Divisions are subordinate to Central and Southern command respectively with the regional command HQ at liberty to assign the formation to any corps - strike and/or holding. The Div's GOC is a two-star general from Arty.

Structure: In PA, Artillery Divisions have a three brigade structure as summarized below:

1st Artillery Brigade: 1x Heavy Regiment (203mm towed) + 2x Medium Regiment (155/130mm towed) + 1x Field Regiment (122/105mm towed)

2nd Artillery Brigade: 3x Medium Regiment (155/130mm towed) + 1x Field Regiment (122/105mm towed)

3rd Artillery Brigade: 2x SP Heavy Regiment (203mm SP) + 1x SP Medium Regiment (155mm SP) + 1x Medium Regiment (155/130mm towed)

Side note: As may be required, the 3rd Artillery Brigade (being SP mostly) can be detached from the Arty Division and used to support Strike Corps operations.

M110A2 203mm self-propelled howitzer with insignia of 21 Artillery Division during Pakistan Day Parade

In addition to 3x Artillery Brigades, there is the divisional artillery component directly under GOC consisting of:

• 1x MLRS Regiment (300mm A-100)
• 1x MBRL Regiment (122mm KRL 122)
• 1 x Locating Regiment (SLC-2 radars and UAVs)

The brigades and the divisional artillery component each have 1x Meteorological and Survey Battery attached.

The Arty division also includes support units like Signals, Engineers, Supply & Transport, Medical, EME, Ordnance, MP, etc.

Involvement in War on Terror: Units and brigades from Artillery Divisions have actively fought in War on Terror in KPK incl. ex-FATA. Some may be surprised to know that even SP Medium Regiments with M109s have served terms on the western border.

Pakistan Army Artillery - striving to be true to its motto of Izzat-O-Iqbal

by: Gryphon
Corrections, if any, are appreciated.

If, hypothetically, the PA buys wheeled SPs, how would those factor into this?

 

[Gryphon]

Good going @Gryphon

Wondering if 21 Arty Div has fully withdrawn from Malakand or not, or is it just Div less 2 bdes?

Op HQ + units from two arty bdes + attached units from other formations.

Can't return unless one-for-one replacements are available.

If, hypothetically, the PA buys wheeled SPs, how would those factor into this?

Under the GOC's direct command is something akin to divisional artillery with each of MLRS/MBRL/Loc Regts - add one or two wheeled regts and formalize the 4th arty bde.

 

[Cuirassier]

Op HQ + units from two arty bdes + attached units from other formations.

Can't return unless one-for-one replacements are available.



Under the GOC's direct command is something akin to divisional artillery with each of MLRS/MBRL/Loc Regts - add one or two wheeled regts and formalize the 4th arty bde.

IMO an independent infantry brigade is enough for the Malakand Division, considering that FC KP has also been subdivided into North and South under two-stars each. The kind of operations are usually limited to intelligence based hits on sleeper cells, and for that the MI and/or LCB would be apt, with FC SOG. Would say the same for Waziristan (but to a lesser extent), where we have two divisions tied up while the hostile action is usually relegated to small unit action with IEDs and ambushes near the fence.

visited Swat last year and the only time I saw the army was at Malam Jabba and Kanju/Matta. So it is indeed a skeleton deployment.

 

[aliaselin]

Do Pakistan have artillery brigade under Corps? Do Indian have artillery and tank brigade under its mountain Corps

 

[aliaselin]

If Pakistan Artillery Division has only one regiment of MLRS, there should be only 24 units of 300mm MLRS. But we know Pakistan has bought 48 units of it, so I believe there should be something wrong. Maybe one regiment of 122mm MBRL has been replaced by 300mm MLRS

 

[Cuirassier]

Do Pakistan have artillery brigade under Corps? Do Indian have artillery and tank brigade under its mountain Corps

Corps Arty Bde, Yes.

 

[Ghost 125]

If Pakistan Artillery Division has only one regiment of MLRS, there should be only 24 units of 300mm MLRS. But we know Pakistan has bought 48 units of it, so I believe there should be something wrong. Maybe one regiment of 122mm MBRL has been replaced by 300mm MLRS

no infact there are only 24 in service

Do Pakistan have artillery brigade under Corps? Do Indian have artillery and tank brigade under its mountain Corps

no tank bde but yes Arty bdes are essential part of any diviion

 

[aliaselin]

no tank bde but yes Arty bdes are essential part of any diviion

I Mean under Corps，not division. From Wiki, it is said that there is 10th artillery brigade under XVI Corps of Indian army. What is the difference between these two?

no infact there are only 24 in service

Is it possible 2 300mm MLRS regiments and 1 122 mm regiments form a new rocket brigade?

Corps Arty Bde, Yes.

So what is the difference between this brigade and brigade under artillery division?

 

[Ghost 125]

I Mean under Corps，not division. From Wiki, it is said that there is 10th artillery brigade under XVI Corps of Indian army. What is the difference between these two?

Is it possible 2 300mm MLRS regiments and 1 122 mm regiments form a new rocket brigade?

So what is the difference between this brigade and brigade under artillery division?

yes i mean corps, i mistakenly wrote division. usually corps arty resources are employed to complement the firepower of under command divisions in various sectors and used for interdiction deep behind enemy lines. (using long range Arty or rocket forces)

 

[Zarvan]

@Gryphon @Signalian

Pals, too much info is being released in such threads.

Most of the guys here are not from Military so How on earth they are getting the information.

 

[Mumm-Ra]

Most of the guys here are not from Military so How on earth they are getting the information.

They are either ex-military or have worked with the military in some capacity. However, you will not find classified info. released by them.

 

[Tipu7]

We have dedicated threads for Pakistan Army Infantry Div's, Armoured Div's and Mechanized Div's. Here I have created one for Artillery Div's.



Raising history: Large-scale exercises code-named Zarb-e-Momin (1989) conducted by Pakistan Army in response to Operation Brasstacks helped develop its offensive-defense strategy or Doctrine of the Riposte. Assessments completed after the exercise noted that for the Strike Corps to make a significant breakthrough in the north, Artillery concentrations with adequate logistics were essential. This led to the raising of 2 Artillery Division in the 1990s, subordinate HQ 1 Strike Corps.

In the south, 21 Artillery Division came into existence in the late 2000's. This was placed under HQ 5 Corps and tasked to repel enemy offensives with massive artillery firepower.

Current chain of command: Currently, 2 and 21 Artillery Divisions are subordinate to Central and Southern command respectively with the regional command HQ at liberty to assign the formation to any corps - strike and/or holding. The Div's GOC is a two-star general from Arty.

Structure: In PA, Artillery Divisions have a three brigade structure as summarized below:

1st Artillery Brigade: 1x Heavy Regiment (203mm towed) + 2x Medium Regiment (155/130mm towed) + 1x Field Regiment (122/105mm towed)

2nd Artillery Brigade: 3x Medium Regiment (155/130mm towed) + 1x Field Regiment (122/105mm towed)

3rd Artillery Brigade: 2x SP Heavy Regiment (203mm SP) + 1x SP Medium Regiment (155mm SP) + 1x Medium Regiment (155/130mm towed)

Side note: As may be required, the 3rd Artillery Brigade (being SP mostly) can be detached from the Arty Division and used to support Strike Corps operations.

M110A2 203mm self-propelled howitzer with insignia of 21 Artillery Division during Pakistan Day Parade

In addition to 3x Artillery Brigades, there is the divisional artillery component directly under GOC consisting of:

• 1x MLRS Regiment (300mm A-100)
• 1x MBRL Regiment (122mm KRL 122)
• 1 x Locating Regiment (SLC-2 radars and UAVs)

The brigades and the divisional artillery component each have 1x Meteorological and Survey Battery attached.

The Arty division also includes support units like Signals, Engineers, Supply & Transport, Medical, EME, Ordnance, MP, etc.

Involvement in War on Terror: Units and brigades from Artillery Divisions have actively fought in War on Terror in KPK incl. ex-FATA. Some may be surprised to know that even SP Medium Regiments with M109s have served terms on the western border.

Pakistan Army Artillery - striving to be true to its motto of Izzat-O-Iqbal

by: Gryphon
Corrections, if any, are appreciated.

We got several independent artillery brigades. What's their structure? Does they follow the pattern of A, B or C? Or mixed?
Pakistan has pretty large stock of M109 and it does not fit in above configuration unless we got indep SP Brigades attached with Armored & Mec divisions.