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At a time when the armed forces along the borders and those tasked with internal security are at a high level of alert against terrorist strikes, comes a big boost. The Indian Army has, in one of the biggest ever orders placed, asked for about 250 Mine Protected Vehicles (MPVs). These vehicles, routinely spotted on the streets and highways of Jammu and Kashmir and states in North Eastern (NE) India, secure troops from Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) explosions and gunfire.

These MPVs, which can carry upto a dozen fully armed personnel, also have a provision for gun sights in bullet proof glass from where troops can take on targets outside. There is also a provision to install a rotating heavier gun on top of the vehicle.

Those operating MPVs say it helps them move cross-country across most terrain even while taking fire and hitting back at terrorists. A Bullet Proof (BP) bunker or BP vehicle has limits on mobility and security it can offer, when seen against an MPV.

DELIVERY BY 2018

From sources in the army and the Ministry of Defence (MoD), it was learnt that 'indent' or an order for acquisition had recently been placed with the Vehicle Factory Jabalpur (VFJ), which comes under the Ordnance Factory Board of the MoD. The delivery of these MPVs will begin by 2018. The army will use these vehicles in NE states apart from Jammu and Kashmir.

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In Jammu and Kashmir, which is witnessing an escalation of violence and terror attacks, intelligence inputs indicate a presence of 409 terrorists of which 315 are operating in the Kashmir region and the rest in Jammu. Instances of mine/IED blasts in the state have significantly reduced on account of better roads and detection by security agencies. However, terrorist strikes have forced the army and Central Armed Police Forces (CAPFs) deployed there to respond with MPVs.

The army and CAPFs have been using 'Casspir' MPV manufactured by the VFJ. The army, which was the first to use MPVs began doing so since the early 90s when it was tasked with tackling the first bout of insurgency in the Kashmir Valley.

UPGRADING FLEET

Said a senior officer aware of the case, "While we are looking at replacing our existing fleet which is ageing, there will also be an enhancement of numbers. We have found these MPVs to be extremely useful. The ones we will now procure are the upgraded ones and have been finalised after several rounds of testing." For security reasons, the specifications pertaining to these MPVs were not shared. It was however, learnt that the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)'s Vehicle Research and Development Establishment (VRDE) too was roped in for the project which will be handled by the army's Master General Ordnance branch. It was learnt that the VFJ has agreed to ramp up production to deliver 70 vehicles per year.

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While private sector companies which are also manufacturing MPVs were considered, the army ultimately went in with the VFJ.

The Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) under whom all the CAPFs function is also looking to equip the forces with MPVs. The process, however, has been bogged down on account of poor decision-making. The requirement of MPVs for the CAPFs is nearly 400 'at the very least'. The MPVs are required in states affected by Maoist insurgency as the insurgents have chosen the IEDs as their preferred weapon.

The OFB has developed a next generation MPV called the Modern Mine Protected Vehicle. The Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) has placed an order for twenty MPVs.
 
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DELIVERY BY 2018

From sources in the army and the Ministry of Defence (MoD), it was learnt that 'indent' or an order for acquisition had recently been placed with the Vehicle Factory Jabalpur (VFJ), which comes under the Ordnance Factory Board of the MoD. The delivery of these MPVs will begin by 2018. The army will use these vehicles in NE states apart from Jammu and Kashmir.

2018? They are making it airworthy? Even aircraft can be made faster than that. When will PSUs ever pick up their production rate? When space ships get introduced?

The Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) under whom all the CAPFs function is also looking to equip the forces with MPVs. The process, however, has been bogged down on account of poor decision-making. The requirement of MPVs for the CAPFs is nearly 400 'at the very least'. The MPVs are required in states affected by Maoist insurgency as the insurgents have chosen the IEDs as their preferred weapon.

400 required, 250 ordered (including replacement for old units) and the first one expected to be delivered in 2018. Pathetic! Total lack of value for soldiers life.

It was learnt that the VFJ has agreed to ramp up production to deliver 70 vehicles per year.

Ok so 70/year starting 2018. 2022 to complete the order provided they actually deliver their promise (rare). How many more soldiers are we willing to loose over the next 6 years?

Its really sad and disappointing to see our troops transported in soft top Trucks and Gypsy like cattle. A portion of the money we returned as unspent capital on past defence budgets was enough to offer our troops top of the line armored vehicles like Humvee or JLTV.

Unspent amount - Indian Defence Budget

2000-01 Rs.8,900 crores ($ 1.3 Billion)
2001-02 Rs.7,700 crores ($ 1.1 Billion)
2002-03 Rs.9,300 crores ($ 1.4 Billion)
2003-04 Rs.5,200 crores ($ 800 Million)

2005-06 Rs.2,400 crores ($ 400 Million)
2006-07 Rs.3,500 crores ($ 525 Million)
2007-08 Rs.4,300 crores ($ 650 Million)

2012-13 Rs. 11,600 crores ($ 1.8 Billion)

2014-15 Rs. 17,700 crores ($ 2.7 Billion)
2015-16 Rs. 37,000 crores ($ 5.5 Billion)

U.S. ARMY AWARDS $6.7 BILLION JOINT LIGHT TACTICAL VEHICLE CONTRACT TO OSHKOSH CORPORATION

The U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM) Life Cycle Management Command (LCMC) has awarded Oshkosh Defense, LLC, an Oshkosh Corporation (NYSE: OSK) company, a $6.7 billion firm fixed price production contract to manufacture the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV). The JLTV program fills a critical capability gap for the U.S. Army and Marine Corps by replacing a large portion of the legacy HMMWV fleet with a light tactical vehicle with far superior protection and off-road mobility. During the contract, which includes both Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) and Full Rate Production (FRP), Oshkosh expects to deliver approximately 17,000 vehicles and sustainment services.
https://oshkoshdefense.com/news/u-s...ical-vehicle-contract-to-oshkosh-corporation/

AM General’s Strategy Pays Off: $1.6B In Humvee Contracts
  • Sometime in 2015 or early 2016, there was a $25 million, 120-vehicle contract modification to a Foreign Military Sale with an unspecified nation.
  • In July ’15, there was a $373 million contract for 2,082 Humvees for “Afghanistan, Iraq, Kenya, Lebanon, Ukraine and Tunisia.”
  • In September, there was a $429 million contract for Humvee ambulances for the regular Army, National Guard, and Reserve to use in disaster relief in the US.
  • In October, AM General announced multiple contracts totaling $42 million for “Iraq, Afghanistan, Tunisia, Israel, Turkey, Kenya, Lebanon and the United States.”
  • In February 2016, there was a $57 million multi-national contract for “Iraq, Serbia, Argentina, and the U.S. National Guard and Reserve.”
  • In June, the Pentagon awarded AM General a $66 million contract for 356 Humvees for Iraq.
http://breakingdefense.com/2016/08/am-generals-strategy-pays-off-1-6b-in-humvee-contracts/

P.S: Not advocating for armed forces to adopt expensive vehicles but just pointing out the amount of neglect that was shown by the MoD and Armed forces in very standard requirements for the men in uniform. While they traveled in bullet proof cars and armored helicopters, the life of a regular soldier finds no value. A mere look at the returned budget allocation against the value of global purchases for such vehicles is a clear proof that we don't lack the fund but the dedication or care to the value of our men in uniform. Thought this was one of the topic that was overlooked while we were busy with shortages in BPJ and Helmets. Adding to the long list of sorry state of affairs in our armed forces.

@PARIKRAMA @randomradio @GuardianRED @Abingdonboy @hellfire @Water Car Engineer @MilSpec @Nilgiri @SpArK @Joe Shearer @nair @Jamwal's If you gentlemen have anything to add.

Good Day all!
 
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Still better would be to buy out some thousands of Cougar , Buffalo and MAX PRO MRAPs (used) from USA . Would be quick.
 
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2018? They are making it airworthy? Even aircraft can be made faster than that. When will PSUs ever pick up their production rate? When space ships get introduced?



400 required, 250 ordered (including replacement for old units) and the first one expected to be delivered in 2018. Pathetic! Total lack of value for soldiers life.



Ok so 70/year starting 2018. 2022 to complete the order provided they actually deliver their promise (rare). How many more soldiers are we willing to loose over the next 6 years?

Its really sad and disappointing to see our troops transported in soft top Trucks and Gypsy like cattle. A portion of the money we returned as unspent capital on past defence budgets was enough to offer our troops top of the line armored vehicles like Humvee or JLTV.

Unspent amount - Indian Defence Budget

2000-01 Rs.8,900 crores ($ 1.3 Billion)
2001-02 Rs.7,700 crores ($ 1.1 Billion)
2002-03 Rs.9,300 crores ($ 1.4 Billion)
2003-04 Rs.5,200 crores ($ 800 Million)

2005-06 Rs.2,400 crores ($ 400 Million)
2006-07 Rs.3,500 crores ($ 525 Million)
2007-08 Rs.4,300 crores ($ 650 Million)

2012-13 Rs. 11,600 crores ($ 1.8 Billion)

2014-15 Rs. 17,700 crores ($ 2.7 Billion)
2015-16 Rs. 37,000 crores ($ 5.5 Billion)

U.S. ARMY AWARDS $6.7 BILLION JOINT LIGHT TACTICAL VEHICLE CONTRACT TO OSHKOSH CORPORATION

The U.S. Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM) Life Cycle Management Command (LCMC) has awarded Oshkosh Defense, LLC, an Oshkosh Corporation (NYSE: OSK) company, a $6.7 billion firm fixed price production contract to manufacture the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle (JLTV). The JLTV program fills a critical capability gap for the U.S. Army and Marine Corps by replacing a large portion of the legacy HMMWV fleet with a light tactical vehicle with far superior protection and off-road mobility. During the contract, which includes both Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) and Full Rate Production (FRP), Oshkosh expects to deliver approximately 17,000 vehicles and sustainment services.
https://oshkoshdefense.com/news/u-s...ical-vehicle-contract-to-oshkosh-corporation/

AM General’s Strategy Pays Off: $1.6B In Humvee Contracts
  • Sometime in 2015 or early 2016, there was a $25 million, 120-vehicle contract modification to a Foreign Military Sale with an unspecified nation.
  • In July ’15, there was a $373 million contract for 2,082 Humvees for “Afghanistan, Iraq, Kenya, Lebanon, Ukraine and Tunisia.”
  • In September, there was a $429 million contract for Humvee ambulances for the regular Army, National Guard, and Reserve to use in disaster relief in the US.
  • In October, AM General announced multiple contracts totaling $42 million for “Iraq, Afghanistan, Tunisia, Israel, Turkey, Kenya, Lebanon and the United States.”
  • In February 2016, there was a $57 million multi-national contract for “Iraq, Serbia, Argentina, and the U.S. National Guard and Reserve.”
  • In June, the Pentagon awarded AM General a $66 million contract for 356 Humvees for Iraq.
http://breakingdefense.com/2016/08/am-generals-strategy-pays-off-1-6b-in-humvee-contracts/

P.S: Not advocating for armed forces to adopt expensive vehicles but just pointing out the amount of neglect that was shown by the MoD and Armed forces in very standard requirements for the men in uniform. While they traveled in bullet proof cars and armored helicopters, the life of a regular soldier finds no value. A mere look at the returned budget allocation against the value of global purchases for such vehicles is a clear proof that we don't lack the fund but the dedication or care to the value of our men in uniform. Thought this was one of the topic that was overlooked while we were busy with shortages in BPJ and Helmets. Adding to the long list of sorry state of affairs in our armed forces.

@PARIKRAMA @randomradio @GuardianRED @Abingdonboy @hellfire @Water Car Engineer @MilSpec @Nilgiri @SpArK @Joe Shearer @nair @Jamwal's If you gentlemen have anything to add.

Good Day all!
Can I have a link to the news you are referring to bro?
 
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You asking about the source for the budget details bro? That's collected from several sources. And the rest is my text.

Good Day!
I'm looking for the news about this 250 vehicle order you are referring too bro.
 
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I am not sure for what is the order of 250 MPVs placed by army. Afghanistan??:undecided:

On the other hand, CAPFs must place in the demand for MPVs for anti-Maoist operations. It shall go a long way in protecting personnel transiting to and fro.
 
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Published October 4, 2016
SOURCE: INDIA TODAY

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At a time when the armed forces along the borders and those tasked with internal security are at a high level of alert against terrorist strikes, comes a big boost. The Indian Army has, in one of the biggest ever orders placed, asked for about 250 Mine Protected Vehicles (MPVs). These vehicles, routinely spotted on the streets and highways of Jammu and Kashmir and states in North Eastern (NE) India, secure troops from Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) explosions and gunfire.

These MPVs, which can carry upto a dozen fully armed personnel, also have a provision for gun sights in bullet proof glass from where troops can take on targets outside. There is also a provision to install a rotating heavier gun on top of the vehicle.

Those operating MPVs say it helps them move cross-country across most terrain even while taking fire and hitting back at terrorists. A Bullet Proof (BP) bunker or BP vehicle has limits on mobility and security it can offer, when seen against an MPV.

DELIVERY BY 2018

From sources in the army and the Ministry of Defence (MoD), it was learnt that ‘indent’ or an order for acquisition had recently been placed with the Vehicle Factory Jabalpur (VFJ), which comes under the Ordnance Factory Board of the MoD. The delivery of these MPVs will begin by 2018. The army will use these vehicles in NE states apart from Jammu and Kashmir.

In Jammu and Kashmir, which is witnessing an escalation of violence and terror attacks, intelligence inputs indicate a presence of 409 terrorists of which 315 are operating in the Kashmir region and the rest in Jammu. Instances of mine/IED blasts in the state have significantly reduced on account of better roads and detection by security agencies. However, terrorist strikes have forced the army and Central Armed Police Forces (CAPFs) deployed there to respond with MPVs.

The army and CAPFs have been using ‘Casspir’ MPV manufactured by the VFJ. The army, which was the first to use MPVs began doing so since the early 90s when it was tasked with tackling the first bout of insurgency in the Kashmir Valley.

UPGRADING FLEET

Said a senior officer aware of the case, “While we are looking at replacing our existing fleet which is ageing, there will also be an enhancement of numbers. We have found these MPVs to be extremely useful. The ones we will now procure are the upgraded ones and have been finalised after several rounds of testing.” For security reasons, the specifications pertaining to these MPVs were not shared. It was however, learnt that the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)’s Vehicle Research and Development Establishment (VRDE) too was roped in for the project which will be handled by the army’s Master General Ordnance branch. It was learnt that the VFJ has agreed to ramp up production to deliver 70 vehicles per year.

While private sector companies which are also manufacturing MPVs were considered, the army ultimately went in with the VFJ.

The Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) under whom all the CAPFs function is also looking to equip the forces with MPVs. The process, however, has been bogged down on account of poor decision-making. The requirement of MPVs for the CAPFs is nearly 400 ‘at the very least’. The MPVs are required in states affected by Maoist insurgency as the insurgents have chosen the IEDs as their preferred weapon.

The OFB has developed a next generation MPV called the Modern Mine Protected Vehicle. The Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) has placed an order for twenty MPVs.
 
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I am not sure for what is the order of 250 MPVs placed by army. Afghanistan??:undecided:

On the other hand, CAPFs must place in the demand for MPVs for anti-Maoist operations. It shall go a long way in protecting personnel transiting to and fro.
Afghanistan? Kashmir bro, there are a lot of old vehicles that need replacing as well as expanding the number of armoured vehicles the IA has in the state. They have also cleared the purchase of armoured recce/utility vehicles.
 
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I am not sure for what is the order of 250 MPVs placed by army. Afghanistan??:undecided:

On the other hand, CAPFs must place in the demand for MPVs for anti-Maoist operations. It shall go a long way in protecting personnel transiting to and fro.

What do you think about Kashmir- Now that there has been a shif in doctrine and security personnel are being targeted- How wise is it to have same old DTC type bus for ferrying troops in hot zones ? Can't we afford proper armored bulletproof buses or trucks-
 
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Afghanistan? Kashmir bro, there are a lot of old vehicles that need replacing as well as expanding the number of armoured vehicles the IA has in the state. They have also cleared the purchase of armoured recce/utility vehicles.

Think about Afghanistan again. Will it make sense as military aid?

Kashmir- this vehicle can only be used in valley proper and is used there. Apart from attrition the vehicles are adequate for now for units on ground and relatively recent models too.
 
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