Army recording fake exercises as evidence for surgical strikes

[MM_Haider]

Haha.. Indian army will stoop at lowest level to forge proof ... and Indian CNN you are such a disgrace and shame for journalism .. there should be a limit of boot licking .. lol

 

[SmilingBuddha]

You can't hide behind OBL buddy.

There is no IG mushtaq. Try to fake a new call with IG bashir since that is the name of AJK police IG.

I am not hiding behind anything, honestly I don't even care about this news as there is no way Pakistan will say "yes , we did this" even if live visuals are shown.Denial is part of the game, I understand that.

 

[Areesh]

I am not hiding behind anything, honestly I don't even care about this news as there is no way Pakistan will say "yes , we did this" even if live visuals are shown.Denial is part of the game, I understand that.

Yes you are hiding. Like always. If fake proof doesn't work then bring OBL or some other shit to hide behind it.

 

[salarsikander]

Oh, there's some mistake then. What I was trying to get to you was a very morose post about how not to do things.

Could you post the link of that facebook source you mentioned ?

 

[I S I]

My request to Indian Army: please add some Sheela & Munni item songs also while you're at it.

 

[RealNapster]

Srinagar: Amid the growing clamour for making public the evidence of the recent surgical strikes by India on terror launch pads in Azad Kashmir, controversial Independent MLA Sheikh Abdul Rashid on Wednesday said the Army was video graphing "fake exercises" in Leepa Valley near LoC to offer them as proof for the same.

The MLA from Langate in Kashmir's Kupwara district claimed that since the last three days, the Army was making footage of fake strikes in Leepa Valley in his constituency in order to show them as proof of the surgical strikes.

"Fake targets are being made and I want to tell the whole world that if they show some proof, it is of Leepa and is fake and we can prove it," he said. He alleged that there had been no firing at two of the five places where the Army claimed that it conducted the strikes.

"Two of the five places are in my area. I tried to know from the people and to the best of my knowledge, there has been no firing there for the past 20 days," the legislator said.

Alleging that the surgical strikes were a "drama to divert the attention from Kashmir", which has been reeling under violence for around three months, Rashid asked the Army to not fall into the hands of politicians .

"You (Army) claim to be a credible organisation. You should not enact drama for politicians, by virtue of which your credibility may get lost," he said. The MLA said Pakistan took international media to the LoC to show them that no such strikes were carried out.

If India was truthful in its claims, they would have also done the same, he said. He also asked India and Pakistan not to make Kashmir a "battleground" for their vested interests.

Meanwhile, Union Minister Hansraj Ahir said on Wednesday that the Army has handed over to the government video clips of the cross-LoC surgical strikes as per laid down procedure.

http://www.firstpost.com/india/army...rikes-jk-mla-sheikh-abdul-rashid-3036172.html

Dear Indian's !

item number Haseena Wajid se karwana Please. She is so desperate for a role in this "Sir-G-kal Strike RELOADED" movie.

 

[pakdefender]

Indian Army has experience in doing this sort of thing

Six Army men sentenced to life in Machil fake encounter
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...l-fake-encounter-confirmed/article7625081.ece


There is precident

 

[MadDog]

i have one question ...it is clear that you pakistanis hate us indians and especially "hindooos" of india (evident in almost every thread) ... then why is it that you pretend to "well wisher of india" and keep telling us that modi is bad and you guys should not vote for him ? ...if i were you and a politician was elected that would destroy your country , i would have supported him , told pakistanis to support him . so either you guys are studip or pseudo "well wishers"


how pathetic that you guys always bring religion in everything, @mkb95 never said anything about religion , he just said he is an anti-india propak person

There might be some people who bring religion into everything, there is a vibrant hindu Pakistani community especially in Sindh province, so please don't generalize.

Army recording fake exercises as evidence for Azad Kashmir surgical strikes: J&K MLA Sheikh Abdul Rashid

Cleverly edited out. @Windjammer hits a new low. FYI, the real strike footage was shot on a drone. Mr. Rashid is vocally pro pak opposition MLA

If the video was actually shot and the operation actually took place it would have been released the very same day when the strike was claimed. Today almost 8 days have passed, they are still talking about releasing it, shows how real would be the video, it would be as real as the the Sir jee kal strike was.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Indian Army filming ‘fake video’ in Kashmir to allay doubts on ‘surgical strike’: Er Rashid

http://www.dawn.com/news/1288189/in...alleged-surgical-strikes-reports-indian-media

 

[LadyFinger]

What is all the fuss about these fake strikes? Such strikes happen all the time in India in reality, courtesy their own non-state actors.

 

[The Sandman]

Chirya says there is movement of NASR near border :-//

Your chirya is lying

 

[Zibago]

Your chirya is lying

Lots of C 130,s wizzing around chirya says NASR is stationed at LoC

 

[The Sandman]

Lots of C 130,s wizzing around chirya says NASR is stationed at LoC

Chirya is only trying to create.... hype

 

[Joe Shearer]

Could you post the link of that facebook source you mentioned ?

Ah, the hell with it! Here it is:

Strikes Were Well-Executed. What Followed Was Not.

What is the government of India thinking? How has it managed to turn what should have been a strategic and tactical victory - strikes across the Line of Control against Pakistani-backed terrorists - into what increasingly looks like a shambling Public Relations failure?

Let's review where we are. Clearly, some sort of action was taken as retaliation for the attack on Uri. The government went public, providing minimal details. The Pakistanis, initially on the defensive, got their act together swiftly and took foreign journalists to some of the targeted sectors - leading to a series of stories in the international press casting doubt on India's claims. India's shambolic Opposition got into the act, with Arvind Kejriwal demanding the government reply to Pakistan, Congress leader Sanjay Nirupam claiming the strikes were "fake" and the Congress officially saying that it, too, had done the same when in power - but also demanding "substantive proof" of the attacks.

To which the BJP retaliated with the only weapon in its rhetorical arsenal, accusing all and sundry of being anti-national.

Here's one basic principle: any Indian action against terrorist infrastructure across the Line of Control would be entirely justified. Here's another basic principle: no government should publicly claim that it has committed actions of which, for whatever reason, it cannot provide credible evidence. Here's a third basic principle: in a democracy, asking a government for evidence of the effect of its stated actions is not an act of disloyalty, but an act of patriotism. All governments must be held to account, even - especially! - when it comes to matters of national security.

Part of the problem is the phrase "surgical strikes". It encompasses an entire gamut of possible actions. To rejoicing bhakts on Twitter, it carries overtones of the US raid on Abbottabad that killed Osama bin Laden. It could mean a large attack to flatten the infrastructure of a genuine terrorist training camp, a few kilometres inside Pakistani-held territory, the sort of damage US drone strikes routinely inflict. Or it could mean a small group of soldiers crossing the Line of Control to attack forward staging posts a few hundred metres in, with half a dozen casualties. (Note the widely different takes even on where Dudhnial itself, one of the likely targets, is: Praveen Swamy in The Indian Expresscalls it "4 km across the LoC from India's nearest forward post...ahead of Kupwara" while Ayesha Siddiqua in The Wire calls it "200 metres inside the Pakistani side of the Line of Control".)

What is clear is that these three different actions vary widely in how much they would provoke the Pakistan army and in how much "evidence" they would leave behind. It's entirely possible that the government chose the last of the options - the sort of thing that is widely known to have been accomplished before - but for its own reasons has chosen to telegraph to its fanatical followers that, in fact, one of the others was carried out. If so, it has only itself to blame for the mess that it finds itself in. It was trying to be far too clever. It was trying to use national security for political ends, and now finds itself scrambling to recover its position.

This is not to say that the strikes have not achieved certain aims. The most obvious is that they have made clear to Pakistan that limited strikes across the LoC will not result in condemnation of India by the international community. Pakistan's military establishment will be forced to confront the fact that it has few allies in defending its own notion of its sovereignty. In fact, Pakistan's vocal attempt to question whether any attacks took place at all is a likely response to this lack of support; if they could depend on outrage, they would no doubt have instead have produced the evidence of attacks that they are currently denying.

(Nor is the Indian side, including the military briefings, a model of consistency. The initial briefing from Lt General Ranbir Singh indicated clearly that "we do not have any plans for continuation of further operations"; and meanwhile, yesterday Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha said the situation is "still live". What on earth is going on? This is exactly the kind of thing that the government should be more clear to its people about.)


It should also be clear what the strikes have not achieved. They have not demonstrated that India has any greater space to respond conventionally to Pakistan than it did earlier. Whatever the full nature of these strikes, they were clearly below the well-understood threshold for Pakistani escalation. Don't get me wrong: keeping them limited was wise on India's part. But some heavy breathing on the Indian side suggesting that this demonstrates that Pakistan will not use, say, tactical nuclear weapons in response to Indian attacks, is ridiculous. In no war-gaming of an India-Pakistan confrontation has such a strike resulted in real escalation.

The truth is that the Indian government should have been able to congratulate itself on a job well done. It had found a via media between doing nothing in response to Pakistani provocation, and pushing the Pakistani army into a corner where it would be forced to escalate the confrontation. But instead of congratulating itself on this, it gave into the temptation of triumphalism. This crass mix-up has hurt it politically, and India strategically. It is not the first time it has done this - remember the "covert" strikes into Myanmar that a junior minister announced on television?

It has hurt the government politically because it allows the Opposition to demand "proof". If the government provides "proof" - always dicey - then some of those who expected the operation to be larger in scale than it likely was will be disappointed. If it does not provide "proof", then the Opposition will attack its credibility, and it plays into the existing image of the Prime Minister as someone who exaggerates his achievements. To expect the Opposition to shut up and salute is both stupid and unpatriotic. We are not a national security state where claims must be swallowed unquestioningly.

And it has hurt India strategically in two ways. First, because triumphalism has raised expectations about India's greater space to retaliate against Pakistan, although no such additional space has been created. This means that in future, restraint will be that much harder to sell domestically within India. The government could have avoided this by spelling out, in greater detail, the limits of its actions and why staying within those limits was wise.

Second, because this triumphalism may have lowered, rather than raised, the bar for Pakistani escalation. In essence, what has been - since at least 1993 - a regular retributory act has been defined instead as a "new" and singular act. This time Pakistan's military has been able to deny it. Next time it may not. It will not then have the ability to argue that this is business as usual on the LoC. It will find therefore that to maintain its own credibility domestically, it will have to respond with a "new" and singular provocation of its own. In effect, the Indian government's decision to try and win political benefits has increased the uncertainty that would surround future actions on the LoC. This is an act of considerable irresponsibility.

India's security establishment did well to find a way to deal with the post-Uri problem. It's a pity the political establishment let it down by squandering the gains in search of chest-thumping triumph. Sadly that's not the first time it's happened under this government, and I suspect it won't be the last.

(Mihir Swarup Sharma is a fellow at the Observer Research Foundation.)



Source: https://defence.pk/conversations/conversation.10161/page-100#ixzz4MGx3oeS3

 

[Hellfire]

A laugh of a news post.

Every exercise is video recorded to check for improvements. Another of those 'I did not mean what I said' types

Lots of C 130,s wizzing around chirya says NASR is stationed at LoC

Possibly true. They should use it as well.

Now you have let the cat out of the bag, so, let the nukes fly thick and fast

Your chirya is lying

@Zibago is making the thread interesting since all nonsense so far, he is making it into the funny portion where nukes will fly shortly in thread and entertainment will begin