army officers beaten motorway police once again

[TigerOfMysore]

What a lowly response. Pathetic on your part.
First you are jumping to the conclusion that the cop was in the right. Then you are jumping to the conclusion that the person was actually a military man. And worst of all you are then arguing indirectly that the justice the traffic cop will get is in the form of our men in uniform dying. Disgusting and totally inappropriate.
If the incident actually had a real army officer, he should be caught and brought to booking.

Like how those soldiers in the pic of the incident in kpk have been brought to justice?.

Look how much time has passed the army promised an inquiry, a report, well years have gone where is it?. Where is the justice for that cop and his family?.

Do you expect them to show remorse or respect to mil when they have destroyed their life?.

I am with you when you say everyone should be accountable.
I am not with you when you state karma is our men dying on a hill top defending our nation. Those two positions are so far apart.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Justice will be delivered by someone somewhere it always happens, regular news 10 killed here 2 killed there, that man’s day will come.

Traffic cop will get his justice.

calm down

 

[Adonis]

it was a few bad apples or bullied into by a superior illegal order, doe not represent Pakistan army in whole

Then the army should take actions against such bad apples....if nothing is going to happen, it indicates such apples are acceptable and encouraged to proceed with their stink...hence representative of the whole army culture.

 

[JawadKKhan]

How often does this happen? Not very. And when it happens then those who are at fault are sorted out as well.

I mean that will be a criminal scenario if it keeps happening more often. This should not happen even rarely. We got to look at militaries of other countries. The militaries know exactly that with civilians tax money they are being paid & incentivized.

Countries employ armed forces for protection of their population. Protection & security of civilians is always core principles for any military. There is definitely some disconnect on hierarchy in Pakistan's case. There are instances where military is used for "thug work" against citizens.. This should never happen.

Tbh, to avoid more such incidents the bulk of army should be moved away from population centers. Otherwise, there will be more such instances when a student group beatup a boy that found out to be a General's son Or in road if you hit "someone" and that someone's bodyguards in army jeep behind will round you up.

Except few countries, some in Africa you don't really see military jeeps & trucks inside cities. Soldiers pointing guns sitting behind green toyoyta hilux, a General moving around in city or his family. You never see such thing in Paris, London, New-york, Dubai, or Tokyo.

We need to move cantonments outside the cities. Our most of the military is stationed inside cities. Even in war this will cause civilian causalities. Move any cantonment & distribute it near Balochistan border. Military needs to be emphasized their core job away from cities & DHAs.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Then the army should take actions against such bad apples....if nothing is going to happen, it indicates such apples are acceptable and encouraged to proceed with their stink...hence representative of the whole army culture.

Such incidents happen everywhere. Including india where indian troops even stormed a police station.

Such people are held accountable and those atleast in the mil know what bout it.
An year or so back a video of a certain Lt Cols wife went viral (the col himself had gone viral in the past). And we know what happened to him although the mil didnt advertise it.

Similarly its not just the mil that is wrong and police fuks up too.

Karachi navy officer episode is infront of all Pak. Where the officer and his family was harassed by police.

 

[Adonis]

How often does this happen? Not very. And when it happens then those who are at fault are sorted out as well.

If someone is breaking the law and the police stops them and the ensuing situation results in negative PR for the army, do you think that officer is garlanded in the army? What do you think happens to his ACR?

For the most part, 99.99% of the armed forces personnel operate within the law. Last thing one wants is unwanted scrutiny from MP and the command hierarchy. It is not worth it for uniformed personnel to get involved with the public/police and tarnish the image of their own service.

One more thing, someone "claiming" that they are an army officer does not make them so. Lately plenty of individuals have been caught claiming they were army officers:

Police arrest fake army officer in Mansehra

MANSEHRA: The police on Wednesday arrested a man impersonating an army major.“The accused was cheating people and threatening them of dire consequences if they didn’t meet his...

www.thenews.com.pk

Fake army officer held over kidnap-cum-murder charges

The Counter-Terrorism Department of the Sindh police has claimed arresting a prime suspect in the abduction-cum-killing case of a Pakistan Customs intelligence informant in Karachi.Usman Shah alias...

www.thenews.com.pk

Fraudster impersonating army officer held

MANSEHRA: The police arrested a man here on Wednesday for defrauding people by impersonating a military officer....

www.dawn.com

https://www.samaaenglish.tv/news/2021/02/fake-army-officer-arrested-in-karachi-police/

And the list goes on and on.

In this incident, no military ID's were recovered, the "violence" was perpetrated on police by people in civil clothing with weapons like SMG (Type-56) which are in use of even body guards so just how is this a proven case of excess by Army personnel? Please note that all the "identification" of military credentials was done by the perpetrator himself:
"اپنے آپ کو فوج کا کیپٹن ظاہر کرنے والے شخص کے ساتھیوں نے مار پیٹ کی ہے"

As such, I think the urge to point fingers at the entire Army and the bile/excrement that comes forth from some quarters against the Army is just mind-boggling. Last, even if this turns out that this was an army personnel, he would be taken to task.

I pity on the level of denial we live in.....never want to accept the wrong but justify it by unnecessary arguments.......So if they are fake, I hope army would expose them in public in an attempt to come clean...if nothing happens in next few days...it will be the same old story.

 

[blain2]

Verified by who the thugs themselves?

Please stop trying to defend an institution that has chequered history, whose reputation is far from stellar.

The report for the similar incident in kpk is still awaited, where is the inquiry, where is the report, where is justice?.

Which institution does not have a checkered history in Pakistan? Check the urge to rush to judgement. That is all that is being said.

 

[Behram Khilji]

I am with you when you say everyone should be accountable.
I am not with you when you state karma is our men dying on a hill top defending our nation. Those two positions are so far apart.

No you are not with me, you are blinded by patriotism, remember patriotism is with the nation not the military.

Nation and nationals of the nation always first, someone dying on the hill is dying for a good money, gets paid well and his family taken care of well by the citizens, same citizens that are assaulted, belittled.

Now answer me this where is the justice for that cop of kpk, where is that report, who has been held account, what punishment has been delivered.

And you expect the victim to jump up and down for the military?, yeah right.

 

[blain2]

I mean that will be a criminal scenario if it keeps happening more often. This should not happen even rarely. We got to look at militaries of other countries. The militaries know exactly that with civilians tax money they are being paid & incentivized.

Countries employ armed forces for protection of their population. Protection & security of civilians is always core principles for any military. There is definitely some disconnect on hierarchy in Pakistan's case. There are instances where military is used for "thug work" against citizens.. This should never happen.

Tbh, to avoid more such incidents the bulk of army should be moved away from population centers. Otherwise, there will be more such instances when a student group beatup a boy that found out to be a General's son Or in road if you hit "someone" and that someone's bodyguards in army jeep behind will round you up.

Except few countries, some in Africa you don't really see military jeeps & trucks inside cities. Soldiers pointing guns sitting behind green toyoyta hilux, a General moving around in city or his family. You never see such thing in Paris, London, New-york, Dubai, or Tokyo.

We need to move cantonments outside the cities. Our most of the military is stationed inside cities. Even in war this will cause civilian causalities. Move any cantonment & distribute it near Balochistan border. Military needs to be emphasized their core job away from cities & DHAs.

Let me ask you, how often do you hear about such incidents? The last one on the motor highway was in 2014!

Secondly, armies the world over live in the cities, towns. This issue is being blown out of proportion when not ONE member here has the details of the incident. Some just need a stick to whip the army around given any reason.

I have lived in Pakistan and overseas and have seen military vehicles, personnel, military installments in the cities, outsides of cities, towns etc. all over. We are no exception.

Most of the cantonments in Pakistan were outside of cities early on. Over time population encroached in the areas around the cantonments so now it seems they are in the middle of the cities and towns. Case in point, Karachi, Malir and Lahore Cantonments.

 

[Behram Khilji]

Which institution does not have a checkered history in Pakistan? Check the urge to rush to judgement. That is all that is being said.

Some more then others I would say, military being the most from coups, to rigging elections to hanging prime ministers & well General Rani services, would take the top spot.

 

[blain2]

Such incidents happen everywhere. Including india where indian troops even stormed a police station.

Such people are held accountable and those atleast in the mil know what bout it.
An year or so back a video of a certain Lt Cols wife went viral (the col himself had gone viral in the past). And we know what happened to him although the mil didnt advertise it.

Similarly its not just the mil that is wrong and police fuks up too.

Karachi navy officer episode is infront of all Pak. Where the officer and his family was harassed by police.

Thank you. If you have not been on the inside then you have no clue what happens on the inside to those who get involved in such controversies. It is career ending in most cases.

Some more then others I would say, military being the most from coups, to rigging elections to hanging prime ministers would will take the top spot.

Your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. I can easily list 3 others and possibly many more (all manned by "civilians") with a long list of issues for each.

 

[Behram Khilji]

Let me ask you, how often do you hear about such incidents? The last one on the motor highway was in 2014!

Secondly, armies the world over live in the cities, towns. This issue is being blown out of proportion when not ONE member here has the details of the incident. Some just need a stick to whip the army around given any reason.

I have lived in Pakistan and overseas and have seen military vehicles, personnel, military installments in the cities, outsides of cities, towns etc. all over. We are no exception.

Most of the cantonments in Pakistan were outside of cities early on. Over time population encroached in the areas around the cantonments so now it seems they are in the middle of the cities and towns.

We have the details of the similar incident from few years back in kpk, what exactly was done about it?, oh please do enlighten us.

Let me tell you nothing, army promised and delivered nothing, that man committed suicide, where is damn justice for him?.

Do you expect his family to shed a tear for a dead soldier when their life has been shattered by the institution that soldier represents?.

Just answer that much.

 

[American Pakistani]

If true, army should arrest these clowns and strictest punishment should be given.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

This report seems to be concocted and made to look like 'Pakistan Army' is the culprit, the individuals or the institution.

Done with sinister, ulterior motive.

And just read that the famous/infamous anti Pak Army 'Waqas Ahmed Goraya' also writes for BBC Urdu. Does the name rings a bell? Could be his report with a new name as his own name could not be displayed.

So this could be a figment of his/or like minded people imagination to malign the Pak Fauj.

@Imran Khan there is more to it than meets the eye, delete this thread. How can you ignore the anti Pak Army twist given to such news.

Hope this thread is closed.

 

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،تصویر کا ذریعہAAMIR QURESHI
موٹروے پولیس کے ایک اہلکار نے تھانہ چمکنی میں درخواست دی ہے جس میں کہا گیا ہے کہ پشاور ٹول پلازہ کے قریب اپنے آپ کو فوج کا کیپٹن ظاہر کرنے والے شخص کے ساتھیوں نے مار پیٹ کی ہے اور کار سرکار میں مداخلت کی ہے ۔
یہ درخواست چند روز پہلے دائر کی گئی ہے جس میں مکمل تفصیل بیان کی گئی ہے۔ اس درخواست میں ان تمام افراد کے نام درج ہیں جن سے رابطہ کیا گیا اور جو لوگ گاڑیوں میں سوار ہو کر آئے اور سکواڈ کے جن افسران نے موقع پر پہنچ کر حالات کو سنبھالنے کی کوشش کی ہے ۔
اس بارے میں چمکنی تھانے کے اہلکاروں نے بتایا ہے کہ دونوں جانب سے بات چیت جاری ہے اور کوشش کی جا رہی ہے کہ معاملے کو حل کر لیا جائے۔ پولیس اہلکاروں نے بتایا کہ اب تک اس بارے میں کوئی ایف آئی آر درج نہیں کی گئی۔
موٹر وے پولیس کے اہلکار نے تحریری درخواست میں تھانہ چمکنی کے ایس ایچ او کو لکھا ہے کہ وہ موٹر وے پر پشاور ٹول پلازہ کے قریب ڈیوٹی پر موجود تھا کہ اس دوران ایک گاڑی آئی جسے چالان دیا گیا۔
اس کے بعد ایک سفید گاڑی آئی جس کی سپیڈ 131 کلومیٹر فی گھنٹہ تھی اور وائرلیس سیٹ پر اس گاڑی کے بارے میں بتایا گیا تھا ۔ اس گاڑی کو روکا اور اس کے ڈرائیور سے لائسنس طلب کیا گیا اور ڈرائیور کو ٹریفک قوانین کی خلاف ورزی کا بتایا گیا اور اسے بتایا گیا کہ ان کا چالان ہوگا۔
گاڑی کے ڈرائیور نے بتایا کہ وہ فوج میں کیپٹن ہے۔ اس بارے میں پشاور میں ملٹری پولیس کے ہیڈکوارٹر فون پر معلومات حاصل کی گئیں جہاں سے جواب دیا گیا کہ وہ ’بعد میں بتاتے ہیں‘۔ اس کے بعد ایک فون آیا جس میں بتایا گیا کہ وہ کیپٹن بول رہے ہیں اور وہ خود موقع پر آ رہے ہیں۔
اس درخواست میں کہا گیا ہے کہ تھوڑی دیر بعد کچھ لوگ دو گاڑیوں میں آئے اور موٹروے پولیس کے ایک اہلکار کو لاتوں اور گھونسوں سے مارنا شروع کر دیا اور ایک ایس ایم جی رائفل کو لوڈ کرکے نشانہ باندھا لیکن اس دوران وہاں موجود سکواڈ کے افسران وہاں پہنچے اور حالات کو سنبھالنے کی کوشش کی۔گاڑیوں میں آنے والے افراد کو تعلق پشاور کے حیات آباد کے علاقے سے بتایا گیا ہے ۔
افسران نے ان لوگوں کو گرفتار کیا اور حسب ضابطہ گاڑیوں کی تلاشی لی جن سے مختلف قسم کا آتشین اسلحہ برآمد ہوا جس میں پسٹل، رائفل ، اور کلاشنکوف شامل ہیں ۔
درخواست میں کہا گیا ہے کہ یہ افراد ، کار سرکار میں مداخلت ، موٹر وے جیسی اہم شاہراہ کو بلاک کرنے ، پولیس پر رائفل سے نشانہ باندھنے اور جان سے مارنے کی دھمکیاں دینے کے جرائم میں ملوث ہیں۔ اس درخواست میں مزید کہا گیا ہے کہ یہ تمام صورتحال موٹر وے پر نصب سی سی ٹی وی کیمروں میں محفوظ ہیں اس لیے اس درخواست پر ان افراد کے خلاف ایف آئی آر درج کی جائے۔
اس بارے میں پشار میں چکمنی تھانے میں رابطہ کیا تو ان کا کہنا تھا کہ یہ درخواست موصول ہوئی ہے لیکن اب تک اس پر کوئی ایف آئی آر یا کوئی کارروائی نہیں کی گئی۔ اہلکاروں کا کہنا تھا کہ دونوں جانب سے بات چیت جاری ہے اور اس کا حل نکالا جا رہا ہے تاکہ معاملہ سلجھایا جا سکے ۔

،تصویر کا ذریعہA MAJEED
جب موٹر وے پولیس کے اہلکار سے رابطہ کیا تو ان کا کہنا تھا کہ وہ اس طرح کسی سے بات نہیں کر سکتے اس کے لیے اعلی حکام سے رابطہ کیا جائے ۔ اس بارے میں موٹر وے پولیس کے انسپکٹر جنرل کو بھی پیغام بھیجا گیا ہے لیکن ان کا کوئی جواب اب تک موصول نہیں ہوا۔
موٹر وے ٹول پلازہ پر اس سے پہلے بھی اس طرح کے واقعات پیش آ چکے ہیں ۔ گزشتہ سال مئی کے مہینے میں تیز رفتار گاڑی کو اہلکار نے روکنے کا اشارہ کیا تو گاڑی نے اہلکار کو کچل دیا تھا جس سے موٹر وے پولیس کا اہلکار شدید زخمی ہوگیا تھا اور بعد میں ہسپتال میں دم توڑ گیا تھا
موٹر وے پولیس ٹریفک قوانین پر عمل درآمد کے لیے سختی سے عمل درآمد کو یقینی بنانے کی کوششیں کی جا رہی ہیں لیکن حالیہ کچھ عرصے میں اوور سپیڈنگ پر جرمانوں کی تعداد میں اضافہ بتایا جا رہا ہے ۔

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Motorway police should as a reaction stop paf from landing their jets on motorway..
Dude this news says alleged army person... why not just wait till we have a clearer picture.