Army invites proposals for building FRCV tanks, DRDO surprised

[surya kiran]

No, this is a proposal where the army expects DRDO to build a modern, next-generation tank and not an armored bullock-cart that DRDO comes up with.

DRDO is a joke.

Please. My uncle was in the EME. I am aware of how these things are done. If the army, for once, gives a QSR which it does not change every 3 months or demand a change every time a model is presented to them, then DRDO can deliver. The problem is army behaves like a spoilt brat. Everytime demanding a new version of the toy, when the previous toy was built as per their requirements.

Now, the need is for the Army to sit with DRDO and design a tank together. But, will the do that? No, because, then they cannot go shopping.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Please. My uncle was in the EME.

I don't know your uncle and I doubt anybody else here knows him or cares to know. Post facts and figures, do not come up with "my uncle works there", "my father's friend works there", "my neighbor" works there", "and they all come to my home and discuss there work details with me".

I am aware of how these things are done.

No you are not aware of how things are done.

If the army, for once, gives a QSR which it does not change every 3 months or demand a change every time a model is presented to them, then DRDO can deliver. The problem is army behaves like a spoilt brat. Everytime demanding a new version of the toy, when the previous toy was built as per their requirements.

The army is the end user and it is the army who risks their life and limb on the border, not the scientists of DRDO. And the army has every right to demand changes it sees fit. DRDO is not paying money from their pockets but public tax money. Army is not obliged to buy obsolete products simply because DRDO build them.

In 1999 Indian army suffered because of faulty INSAS rifles. DRDO promised them fire-finding radars and even lobbied to cancel a deal desired by Indian army to purchase American fire-finding radars saying DRDO can make one indigenously. That "indigenous" radar never came and army suffered casualties because of pakistani shelling.

There was no UAV, no flak jacket, no NVG, no thermal imagers, no modern communication equipment, NOTHING. The army sent their men wearing uniform, an INSAS (AK-47 for the lucky few), an ammunition belt containing 4 magazines each holding 20 rounds and that is it.

Even clothing had to be imported. This is DRDO for you. Every fcuking thing had to be imported by India. What is the use of having DRDO if at the end India has to import everything from socks to howitzers?

Now, the need is for the Army to sit with DRDO and design a tank together. But, will the do that? No, because, then they cannot go shopping.

The need for DRDO is for a change they build a weapon that actually works. But, will they do that? No, because, then they will not get muft ki roti purchased from public tax money.

 

[surya kiran]

I don't know your uncle and I doubt anybody else here knows him or cares to know. Post facts and figures, do not come up with "my uncle works there", "my father's friend works there", "my neighbor" works there", "and they all come to my home and discuss there work details with me".



No you are not aware of how things are done.



The army is the end user and it is the army who risks their life and limb on the border, not the scientists of DRDO. And the army has every right to demand changes it sees fit. DRDO is not paying money from their pockets but public tax money. Army is not obliged to buy obsolete products simply because DRDO build them.

In 1999 Indian army suffered because of faulty INSAS rifles. DRDO promised them fire-finding radars and even lobbied to cancel a deal desired by Indian army to purchase American fire-finding radars saying DRDO can make one indigenously. That "indigenous" radar never came and army suffered casualties because of pakistani shelling.

There was no UAV, no flak jacket, no NVG, no thermal imagers, no modern communication equipment, NOTHING. The army sent their men wearing uniform, an INSAS (AK-47 for the lucky few), an ammunition belt containing 4 magazines each holding 20 rounds and that is it.

Even clothing had to be imported. This is DRDO for you. Every fcuking thing had to be imported by India. What is the use of having DRDO if at the end India has to import everything from socks to howitzers?



The need for DRDO is for a change they build a weapon that actually works. But, will they do that? No, because, then they will not get muft ki roti purchased from public tax money.

Uncle in the EME, dad who was the core part of the NAG warhead project and part of the Agni team and another uncle who was a very senior chap in the Navy, currently in charge of a major shipyard constructing warships in Gujarat. So spare me the bull about now knowing how things are done. I really do not care about what you think about my sources, but, if you had bothered reading the thread (specifically post 6), you would realise they are saying exactly what i am saying.

Your reply clearly shows you have no idea how things are done. DRDO makes it according to requirements set up by Army or for that matter the Navy. Please go and read up on the number of changes made while the Arjun was being developed. Ask the Army to design with the DRDO chaps, they will refuse. They will only issue tenders or make an RFP which cannot be met.

For the Fire ranging radar, when was the requirement raised? You say, the army suffered. Yes, they did because of an intelligence failure in detecting the insurgents. There is a time lapse between requirement and delivery. If you raise a requirement in 1996 you cannot expect delivery on the producer and then when then is an event blame the producer for it. Lead time from request to delivery is more than 5 years. A lot of times the Army takes its own sweet time testing. As for testing the less said, the better. There was a rifle for the IA which was failed by QC teams of DRDO. Guess what, it got approved by the IA. Go and figure now, which it was. Howitzers freeze was by the GoI, not DRDO. Since, the tech came from Bofors, everything related to that was frozen. The rest you are pointing to, is again confirming what I am saying. Procurement failure. How can you blame the DRDO for the army not having jackets. If tomorrow, there is an attack by China along the north eastern areas during heavy rains, the DRDO will be blamed for not providing rain coats and boats? How do you things soldiers survive in Siachen? Normal clothes? You think the reduction in fatalities was all due to foreign maal?

As for your comment on army changing requirements. For anything, the Army needs to raise the requirements. This is achieved only through planning and evolutionary design. Something which it seriously lacks. Not even the air force is as good as the Navy at this. Maybe, because they were always starved off funds.

The need is for the Army to sit with the MoD and DRDO. Set up a 10 year development requirement from DRDO. Then stick to it. Why do you think Prithvi and Agni succeeded while Akash, Trishul and Nag had problems?

There are times when the DRDO was at fault. But the tank is not one of them.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Uncle in the EME, dad who was the core part of the NAG warhead project and part of the Agni team and another uncle who was a very senior chap in the Navy, currently in charge of a major shipyard constructing warships in Gujarat.

Really? And I am the direct descendant of King Bharat who founded this country.

Even if we are to assume that your uncles, fathers, relatives work where you claim they work it is still they who work not you so just STFU. An army officer, unless he wants to be court-martialled and dismissed, will not discuss sensitive professional issues with his nephew.

And Nag was a failure so tell your old man to put more effort in his work not telling stories to you.

. I really do not care about what you think about my sources, but, if you had bothered reading the thread (specifically post 6), you would realise they are saying exactly what i am saying.

Your sources are either liars, losers or they simply don't exist.

Your reply clearly shows you have no idea how things are done. DRDO makes it according to requirements set up by Army or for that matter the Navy. Please go and read up on the number of changes made while the Arjun was being developed. Ask the Army to design with the DRDO chaps, they will refuse. They will only issue tenders or make an RFP which cannot be met.

Arjun took 30 fcuking years. Tank technology changes every 5 odd years. Army cannot be stuck with an obsolete Arjun because DRDO takes ages to build a tank. It is the fault of DRDO that they cannot keep pace with modern technology. Army will demand the best.

If the army has to both fight wars and design tanks it is fine, but then why do we need the DRDO for? If the army has to do everything then what is the need for DRDO? What successful weapon has DRDO ever come up with?

For the Fire ranging radar, when was the requirement raised? You say, the army suffered. Yes, they did because of an intelligence failure in detecting the insurgents.

Were you even born during the Kargil war?

Army suffered because they did not have anything to fight the war with. No decent rifles, no armored jacket, no helmets, NOTHING. DRDO was sitting idle and eating public tax money. When war started India had to beg and buy from western countries.

So just STFU kid.

There is a time lapse between requirement and delivery. If you raise a requirement in 1996 you cannot expect delivery on the producer and then when then is an event blame the producer for it.

So for every order DRDO will take 30 years to come up with a working model? And at the end of the day they will sulk and cry that army has demanded changes in it. DRDO may believe technology won't change in 30 years, the world does not wait that long.

Howitzers freeze was by the GoI, not DRDO. Since, the tech came from Bofors, everything related to that was frozen.

Did GoI put a freeze on DRDO which prevented DRDO from designing and building their own howitzers? Or was the pathetic and absolutely useless DRDO was helpless because they were waiting for the Indian army to design howtizers for them or some foreign firm to supply them ToT?

And what has tech of Bofors got to do with DRDO? Is the DRDO full of brainless idiots who cannot even manufacture a 155 arty gun if foreign tech is not handed to them?

How can you blame the DRDO for the army not having jackets. How do you things soldiers survive in Siachen? Normal clothes? You think the reduction in fatalities was all due to foreign maal?

What the fcuk does DRDO do all year? What have they designed?

And go and ask your uncles, aunties and whichever character you imagine work in the armed forces where the equipment comes from. Majority of equipment, in Indian armed forces is foreign manufactured. India won the Kargil war because Israel helped India along with other western countries.

As for your comment on army changing requirements. For anything, the Army needs to raise the requirements. This is achieved only through planning. Something which it seriously lacks. Not even the air force is as good as the Navy at this. Maybe, because they were always starved off funds.

So now you are trying to put the blame on army? What are you trying to say, that the Indian army which risks their lives at the border are corrupt villains but the worthless DRDO are scientists?

The army is 1000 times better than DRDO and it is the right of army to change requirements. Tell DRDO to stop being sarkari and have some professional work culture. It is not their local baniya ki chai dukaan where they will sit and gossip while the army has to suffer or wit till foreign imports are sanctioned.

The need is for the Army to sit with the MoD and DRDO. Set up a 10 year development requirement from DRDO. Then stick to it. Why do you think Prithvi and Agni succeeded while Akash, Trishul and Nag had problems? There are times when the DRDO was at fault. But the tank is not one of them.

Because of Russia. Without Russian covert help Indian missile program would not have materialised.

What was DRDO doing for all these years? Why does the army has to suffer for DRDO's lack of skill and professional conduct? Why is DRDO such a shameful failure?

The need is to destroy DRDO and let private players take stage. They are hungry, skilled and have a professional work environment. Unlike the sarkari babus in DRDO who are aware they cannot be fired from their jobs even if they come up with failure after failure.

 

[Manindra]

You just need to trust Indian military planners ,they are aware what they are doing by keeping the International norms.

Like they followed in T-90s purchase ?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Because of Russia. Without Russian covert help Indian missile program would not have materialised.

What covert help? The early Agnis were based off of ISRO SLV designs. And they faced several failures over and over and over again. But those were the building blocks for the flawless cansiter A5 trials, or the 10+ flawless K-15 trials, or the more recent K-4 SLBM test.

Russia wouldnt even 'covertly' give ToT for T-90's armor(which uses DRDO's armor) or it's barrel, or 'covertly' supply warship grade steel(which now uses DRDO madee steel) for India's warship building endeavors, let alone help it with ballistic missiles.

The need is to destroy DRDO and let private players take stage. They are hungry, skilled and have a professional work environment. Unlike the sarkari babus in DRDO who are aware they cannot be fired from their jobs even if they come up with failure after failure.

Destroy for what? They have several projects going just fine. Several DRDO labs are gaining momentum.

And the private sector dont want DRDO to be scrapped. Private sector companies like Data Pattern, TATA, L&T, etc. are being contracted to manufacture several DRDO produced products. They love it.


But more projects should go the PPP route, for sure.

 

[surya kiran]

Really? And I am the direct descendant of King Bharat who founded this country.

Even if we are to assume that your uncles, fathers, relatives work where you claim they work it is still they who work not you so just STFU. An army officer, unless he wants to be court-martialled and dismissed, will not discuss sensitive professional issues with his nephew.

And Nag was a failure so tell your old man to put more effort in his work not telling stories to you.

Your sources are either liars, losers or they simply don't exist.



Arjun took 30 fcuking years. Tank technology changes every 5 odd years. Army cannot be stuck with an obsolete Arjun because DRDO takes ages to build a tank. It is the fault of DRDO that they cannot keep pace with modern technology. Army will demand the best.

If the army has to both fight wars and design tanks it is fine, but then why do we need the DRDO for? If the army has to do everything then what is the need for DRDO? What successful weapon has DRDO ever come up with?



Were you even born during the Kargil war?

Army suffered because they did not have anything to fight the war with. No decent rifles, no armored jacket, no helmets, NOTHING. DRDO was sitting idle and eating public tax money. When war started India had to beg and buy from western countries.

So just STFU kid.



So for every order DRDO will take 30 years to come up with a working model? And at the end of the day they will sulk and cry that army has demanded changes in it. DRDO may believe technology won't change in 30 years, the world does not wait that long.



Did GoI put a freeze on DRDO which prevented DRDO from designing and building their own howitzers? Or was the pathetic and absolutely useless DRDO was helpless because they were waiting for the Indian army to design howtizers for them or some foreign firm to supply them ToT?

And what has tech of Bofors got to do with DRDO? Is the DRDO full of brainless idiots who cannot even manufacture a 155 arty gun if foreign tech is not handed to them?



What the fcuk does DRDO do all year? What have they designed?

And go and ask your uncles, aunties and whichever character you imagine work in the armed forces where the equipment comes from. Majority of equipment, in Indian armed forces is foreign manufactured. India won the Kargil war because Israel helped India along with other western countries.



So now you are trying to put the blame on army? What are you trying to say, that the Indian army which risks their lives at the border are corrupt villains but the worthless DRDO are scientists?

The army is 1000 times better than DRDO and it is the right of army to change requirements. Tell DRDO to stop being sarkari and have some professional work culture. It is not their local baniya ki chai dukaan where they will sit and gossip while the army has to suffer or wit till foreign imports are sanctioned.



Because of Russia. Without Russian covert help Indian missile program would not have materialised.

What was DRDO doing for all these years? Why does the army has to suffer for DRDO's lack of skill and professional conduct? Why is DRDO such a shameful failure?

The need is to destroy DRDO and let private players take stage. They are hungry, skilled and have a professional work environment. Unlike the sarkari babus in DRDO who are aware they cannot be fired from their jobs even if they come up with failure after failure.

What exactly is sensitive in the information disclosed? That the Army fails to have a plan in procurement? This is an open secret. That requirements keep changing? That one day they need an anti tank missile which defeats armour, the next they need one which is man portable, then the next day it is air launched? Due you even remotely understand the differences in the different requirements? Again, you show your ignorance. I said, warheads. If you had a bit of intelligence you would realise different teams make different components. There is warheads, avionics, ballistics, engines, testing and so on. But, then you already knew that right?

Howitzers building, again you show your ignorance. Yes there was a freeze. On both the manufacturer and DRDO. Which meant they could not do it. They were legally bound not to do it. Understood? Before posting stuff bother to read and know about what you are posting.

Yes, I am blaming the army for not having a proper procurement plan. Kargil was an utter failure of the IB, RAW and DMI. You cannot blame intelligence and procurement failure on the DRDO. You spoke about western countries helping. Israel and France helped. You know why? Because the products were Israeli and French. The Army did not plan to have Indian products. Neither is it now. Like I asked you, if the Chinese attack during the rains, will you blame the DRDO for the Army not having rain coats?

Did you know Russian and American rocketry and nuclear tech originated in Germany? And that German scientists initiated most projects in those two countries post world war 2. It is called absorption of technology and then building. Are you sure, that there are no changes made to the avionics, guidance, warheads, triggers or motors post the input from the Russians? Do you think the currently deployed missiles are as per what the Russians handed down?

You tell me Army can change requirements. Why was it that the Army could not foresee their requirement changes over a period of 5 years???? Bad planning. Now tell me, why is it that 41 of the tenders as mentioned in the report in Parliament, withdrawn? Why don't you speak with somebody from the IA?

The DRDO is being modernised as we speak. But, just allowing private player in will not solve the problem. The Army needs to setup a team which will define future requirements and work with the developer. DRDO or Private.

P.S : I am glad you are a direct descendant of King Bharat. Hope your reply will be as such without STFU and kid.

 

[Zarvan]

Army invites proposals for building FRCV tanks, DRDO surprised - The Economic Times

By PTI | 26 Jun, 2015, 04.59PM IST

NEW DELHI: Intending to replace Soviet-origin Main Battle Tanks (MBTs), the Army has invited proposals from domestic and foreign firms for manufacturing 'Future Ready Combat Vehicle' (FRCV) tanks, significantly at a time when DRDO is already working on such a project.

The Army has issued a Request for Information (RFI) inviting responses from companies by July 31 to manufacture tanks which will replace the T-72 tanks, official sources said. The RFI is open to both domestic and foreign firms.

According to the Army, the best design will be chosen and given to nominated developing agency for production of the prototypes. The selected prototype will be given to production agency for bulk production.

The move is significant as the country's premier defence research agency DRDO is already working on a futuristic tank -- Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT).

The Army has earlier been at loggerheads with the DRDO over the Arjun tank that it had developed.

Defence experts hold the view that if the Army goes in for a foreign tank, it will spoil the indigenous effort of nearly 30 years of designing and building the Arjun tank that can be used for making the next-generation tank.

Asked about Army's RFI, Director of DRDO's Combat Vehicles Research & Development Establishment (CVRDE), which is working on the FMBT, told PTI, "We have a long-term perspective plan from the Army. We are working on the technolgy development and will continue with it".

DRDO officials are stunned by the Army's RFI and are wondering why it was issued when it is already working on it.

They are hoping that the Ministry of Defence, which has been pushing for 'Make in India', will look into the issue.

A senior official noted, "DRDO has been doing well with the Air Force and the Navy but always hits a roadblock when it comes to the Army".

Meanwhile, Army sources maintained that the RFI is open to all and even the DRDO can take part.

After a disaster known as Arjun what else DRDO was expecting ? Indian Army is not stupid they know what a disaster Arjun is and they can't wait for next 30 years so DRDO can come up with another humiliation. Indian Army is doing right thing because in the end it's Indian Army who has to fight and it's them who will loose lives and not DRDO guys.

 

[Indian Patriot]

What exactly is sensitive in the information disclosed? That the Army fails to have a plan in procurement? This is an open secret.

Retired army dogs who cannot even speak are killed post retirement because they know army locations and might accidentally betray them. Now your uncle has no problem sitting with a 13 year old like you and talking about army stuff which you in turn will boast in front of others like you are boasting here.

Why would an army officer feel obliged to answer you about his profession? How many times do you even get to meet your uncle? Being an army officer he should be moving constantly all over India.

Stop lying kid, you are a liar.

That one day they need an anti tank missile which defeats armour, the next they need one which is man portable, then the next day it is air launched? Due you even remotely understand the differences in the different requirements? Again, you show your ignorance. I said, warheads. If you had a bit of intelligence you would realise different teams make different components. There is warheads, avionics, ballistics, engines, testing and so on. But, then you already knew that right?

Shut up loser. Nag is a failure because it cannot do what it was designed for - destroying tanks. How many foreign countries have shown interest in Nag? Zero.

Howitzers building, again you show your ignorance. Yes there was a freeze. On both the manufacturer and DRDO. Which meant they could not do it. They were legally bound not to do it. Understood? Before posting stuff bother to read and know about what you are posting.

Post links to show DRDO was forbidden from designing indigenous howitzers and arty guns. What is the purpose of DRDO then?

More likely being the stupid and dumb organisation they are they had no idea how to make one in the first place. Unfortunately there was no Google or YouTube those days for them to cheat.

Yes, I am blaming the army for not having a proper procurement plan.

Then blame your uncle in EME.

Kargil was an utter failure of the IB, RAW and DMI. You cannot blame intelligence and procurement failure on the DRDO.

IB, RAW, DMI were supposed to manufacture rifles and other military equipment?

You spoke about western countries helping. Israel and France helped. You know why? Because the products were Israeli and French. The Army did not plan to have Indian products

You are a special case of retard.

A war was going on, country's security was at stake, army was losing their men and you a retard comes here and says the army was buying from France and Israel because they did not plan to buy Indian products? Post links to prove your very serious allegations or STFU.

Army had to buy from abroad because DRDO did not have anything to offer you fool. IAF needed laser guided bombs and precision munitions. DRDO had laser guided bombs in 1999? Are you a pakistani in disguise?

Like I asked you, if the Chinese attack during the rains, will you blame the DRDO for the Army not having rain coats?

If it is the job of DRDO to make rain coats and the army does not have raincoats then yes DRDO is to blame.

Did you know Russian and American rocketry and nuclear tech originated in Germany? And that German scientists initiated most projects in those two countries post world war 2. It is called absorption of technology and then building. Are you sure, that there are no changes made to the avionics, guidance, warheads, triggers or motors post the input from the Russians? Do you think the currently deployed missiles are as per what the Russians handed down?

Did you know Tipu Sultan used rockets against British army? Did you know Akbar also used rockets against rajputs?

Don't talk history with me kid.

Abosrption of technology is stuydying foreign tech and making your own. DRDO can't do that either. What it can do is beg and pray some foreign firm will share critical technology with them.

You tell me Army can change requirements. Why was it that the Army could not foresee their requirement changes over a period of 5 years???? Bad planning.

Do you understand the difference between 5 and 30 years?

It is the job of the weapons designer and manufacturer to come up with a weapon that caters to future and present needs. DRDO lacks vision and innovation. They can only copy technology gift wrapped to them through ToT.

The DRDO is being modernised as we speak. But, just allowing private player in will not solve the problem. The Army needs to setup a team which will define future requirements and work with the developer. DRDO or Private.

Army needs somebody who is accountable. DRDO has unlimited funds and no accountability.

P.S : I am glad you are a direct descendant of King Bharat. Hope your reply will be as such without STFU and kid.

You should be slapped for mocking the sacrifice of Indian army and calling them corrupt.

 

[surya kiran]

Retired army dogs who cannot even speak are killed post retirement because they know army locations and might accidentally betray them. Now your uncle has no problem sitting with a 13 year old like you and talking about army stuff which you in turn will boast in front of others like you are boasting here.

Why would an army officer feel obliged to answer you about his profession? How many times do you even get to meet your uncle? Being an army officer he should be moving constantly all over India.

Stop lying kid, you are a liar.



Shut up loser. Nag is a failure because it cannot do what it was designed for - destroying tanks. How many foreign countries have shown interest in Nag? Zero.



Post links to show DRDO was forbidden from designing indigenous howitzers and arty guns. What is the purpose of DRDO then?

More likely being the stupid and dumb organisation they are they had no idea how to make one in the first place. Unfortunately there was no Google or YouTube those days for them to cheat.



Then blame your uncle in EME.



IB, RAW, DMI were supposed to manufacture rifles and other military equipment?



You are a special case of retard.

A war was going on, country's security was at stake, army was losing their men and you a retard comes here and says the army was buying from France and Israel because they did not plan to buy Indian products? Post links to prove your very serious allegations or STFU.

Army had to buy from abroad because DRDO did not have anything to offer you fool. IAF needed laser guided bombs and precision munitions. DRDO had laser guided bombs in 1999? Are you a pakistani in disguise?



If it is the job of DRDO to make rain coats and the army does not have raincoats then yes DRDO is to blame.



Did you know Tipu Sultan used rockets against British army? Did you know Akbar also used rockets against rajputs?

Don't talk history with me kid.

Abosrption of technology is stuydying foreign tech and making your own. DRDO can't do that either. What it can do is beg and pray some foreign firm will share critical technology with them.



Do you understand the difference between 5 and 30 years?

It is the job of the weapons designer and manufacturer to come up with a weapon that caters to future and present needs. DRDO lacks vision and innovation. They can only copy technology gift wrapped to them through ToT.



Army needs somebody who is accountable. DRDO has unlimited funds and no accountability.



You should be slapped for mocking the sacrifice of Indian army and calling them corrupt.

All answers are available. Regarding artillery guns, failed rfis, army procurement plans. Being abusive and not poining blame just because its the army is rubbish. The DRDO is responsible for failure in some projects. The tanks and IGMDP are not part of that.

YOu keep insisting that DRDO could not integrate Israeli and French systems. Again shows what indepth knowledge you have about the way it works. DRDO will now build raincoats, yes. When the IA passes a requirement for it. Not after the Chinese invasion.
Last reply to you, since you insist on being abusive.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Actually,I blame Army and AF for being over ambitious.a perfect example is Nag and Namica project.Namica project was completed years back.just about the time the whole project about to be completed,Army came and asked some crucial changes in Namica,thus,whole Nag and Namica induction got delayed for several years.Nag evolved more,no doubt about that,but Army and Af should learn how to stick with their requirements.If you're asking for a goal and constantly moving the goalpost here and there,it'll be no help at all.

Thats why people here says learn from the Navy,and they're absolutely right.DRDO is an overburdened establishment with little capability,and sometimes,AF and Army's specifications are completely alien to themselves.and this is the main reason of delay.If they want "Moon",they should ask NASA directly,no need to pretend that "DRDO" can do it.

 

[Echo_419]

What covert help? The early Agnis were based off of ISRO SLV designs. And they faced several failures over and over and over again. But those were the building blocks for the flawless cansiter A5 trials, or the 10+ flawless K-15 trials, or the more recent K-4 SLBM test.

Russia wouldnt even 'covertly' give ToT for T-90's armor(which uses DRDO's armor) or it's barrel, or 'covertly' supply warship grade steel(which now uses DRDO madee steel) for India's warship building endeavors, let alone help it with ballistic missiles.



Destroy for what? They have several projects going just fine. Several DRDO labs are gaining momentum.

And the private sector dont want DRDO to be scrapped. Private sector companies like Data Pattern, TATA, L&T, etc. are being contracted to manufacture several DRDO produced products. They love it.


But more projects should go the PPP route, for sure.

Exactly Indian missile program is a homegrown effort

 

[Indian Patriot]

All answers are available. Regarding artillery guns, failed rfis, army procurement plans. Being abusive and not poining blame just because its the army is rubbish. The DRDO is responsible for failure in some projects. The tanks and IGMDP are not part of that.

The basic thing when you make a tank is the engine, without an engine are bullocks supposed to drag the tank? DRDO thinks designing a tank is the same like designing an automobile. No answers are available and speaking the truth is not being abusive it is letting you know kid that you don't have a clue on what you talking about.

Arty gun fail, fighter jets fail, rifle fail, tank fail. What good is DRDO?

YOu keep insisting that DRDO could not integrate Israeli and French systems

They still cannot. Brahmos needed Russia to supply the source codes. Without foreign assistance DRDO is as good as non-existent.

Again shows what indepth knowledge you have about the way it works.

You are only repeating the same trash again and again. What has DRDO been able to build so far?

DRDO will now build raincoats, yes

It is beyond the skill of DRDO. For raincoats also DRDO will beg for ToT. Those lazy scumbags can't build anything of their own so they beg transfer of technology for everything. Did they learn science in college or did they practise how to beg for transfer of technology?

When the IA passes a requirement for it. Not after the Chinese invasion.

The army will get better rain coats by importing rather than depending on useless DRDO.

Last reply to you, since you insist on being abusive.

This is your last reply because you have run out of lies and have no facts to speak.

Actually,I blame Army and AF for being over ambitious.a perfect example is Nag and Namica project.Namica project was completed years back.just about the time the whole project about to be completed,Army came and asked some crucial changes in Namica,thus,whole Nag and Namica induction got delayed for several years.Nag evolved more,no doubt about that,but Army and Af should learn how to stick with their requirements.If you're asking for a goal and constantly moving the goalpost here and there,it'll be no help at all.

Nag was a failure from the start. A missile needs to do two things - locate a target and destroy the target. DRDO boasted nag is a futuristic missile which has a milimetric wave seeker. Problem is nobody in DRDO knew how that thing works.

Army is satisfied with Javelin missiles and Russian missiles. Are those missiles build by aliens or humans? The army has no faith in DRDO and rightly so. DRDO is another government rozgar yojna for those worthless scientists who are so uneducated that they won't get a job anywhere so they join DRDO.

 

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Nag was a failure from the start. A missile needs to do two things - locate a target and destroy the target. DRDO boasted nag is a futuristic missile which has a milimetric wave seeker. Problem is nobody in DRDO knew how that thing works.

Army is satisfied with Javelin missiles and Russian missiles. Are those missiles build by aliens or humans? The army has no faith in DRDO and rightly so. DRDO is another government rozgar yojna for those worthless scientists who are so uneducated that they won't get a job anywhere so they join DRDO.

are you sure my friend about Nag??Indian Army is perfectly happy about Nag.It saw a radical change after failure in Rajasthan.And they're about to induct it.And obviously Army will be happy with Javelin,cause its a "Porsche Killer".If you study properly,Nag belongs to same gen(3rd) as Javelin.Man Portable version is still to be fielded,but Army wanted it that way.Both Nag and Helina works as expected.

And Nag has both IR and RF seeker,while Javelin incorporates an IR Seeker.

The thing I highlighted has nothing to do with DRDO's failure.Rather,it has to do with Army's everchanging requirements.

 

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are you sure my friend about Nag??Indian Army is perfectly happy about Nag.It saw a radical change after failure in Rajasthan.And they're about to induct it.And obviously Army will be happy with Javelin,cause its a "Porsche Killer".If you study properly,Nag belongs to same gen(3rd) as Javelin.Man Portable version is still to be fielded,but Army wanted it that way.Both Nag and Helina works as expected.

And Nag has both IR and RF seeker,while Javelin incorporates an IR Seeker.

The thing I highlighted has nothing to do with DRDO's failure.Rather,it has to do with Army's everchanging requirements.

Nag was touted as a 4th generation missile (only by DRDO of course). It is not army who demands science fiction weapons, it is DRDO who promises that and after decades of failure it says it needs foreign assistance.

India's dependence on foreign anti-tank missiles shows how unreliable DRDO is.