ARMY HUNTS FOR NEW SNIPER RIFLE TO REPLACE DRAGANOV

[Water Car Engineer]

Wood? I can't tell, but it looks like it'd be better suited for a biathlon then a battlefield.

If it doesn't work out as a sniper rifle, maybe you can make some use of it and sell it to us so we can kick more *** on the slopes?

I don't like it, but then as I say with everything else you guys make that gets a lot of criticism, if you like and accept it then what's my or anyone else's opinion matter in the end?

Wood was actually a part of the requirement by the IA. Not OFBs own design choice.

 

[Kompromat]

Pakistan should offer the LSR to India.

 

[Naif al Hilali]

If India's interested in a doubling of the effective fire range versus the SVD, then a Lapua Magnum round and rifle is what it's looking for.

Invader Zim, any Accuracy International rifles chambered in Lapua Magnum you would recommend for hot and/or humid conditions. Or, should they only be used for cold/normal temperature conditions.

Thanks for setting the record straight above. Almost said something yesterday but deleted my reply before posting.

 

[Fenrir]

Invader Zim, any Accuracy International rifles chambered in Lapua Magnum you would recommend for hot and/or humid conditions. Or, should they only be used for cold/normal temperature conditions.

For AI the AWM - L115A3 - is still the standard for all environment performance. It's the rifle that holds the record for the longest recorded kill shot.

The type has seen action in Iraq and Afghanistan by several nations including Norway, the UK and Denmark, so you know it works in the hot and cold climates of South Asia.

On average Norway is more humid then India, rainy and snowy and very cold, so again, in humid climates its performance has been top notch.

It is however being replaced by a newer rifle, the AX338, which is similar in appearance to the Barrett MRAD.

Norway uses the MRAD (shown above), so I can vouch for its performance in cold and humid climates and Israel uses it too, so it's proven in the heat as well. I can't vouch for the AX338 (shown below) but AI has a very good pedigree and is well respected across the globe from Russia to Indonesia, the US and so on.

As a direct upgrade from the SVD, keeping the action (tactics vary by nation. Squad support was always the primary use of the SVD in the Soviet Army, but other nations use it as a sniper weapon), there are 8.6mm semi-auto sniper rifles like DRD's Kivaari.

And Swordfish International's Mk-18 Mjolnir.

With the 8.6mm round it doesn't really matter if the gun's bolt action or semi-auto, it's not going to be used as a DMR the same way the SVD or HK417 can be, they're just too large to support squad sniper tactics.

 

[Stag112]

Pakistan should offer the LSR to India.
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No thanks. That surgeon variant is good for 800 meters. We are looking for 1200 meters range.

Besides, induct it yourself first.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Proposals have been invited from global manufacturers to present modern sniper rifles that can take down targets at a range of 1200 metres with highly accurate 8.6 mm bullets – a new standard which has much more stopping power than the 7.62 mm rounds being used at present.

Never mind about the OFB model. Seems the requirement has changed, they're going for a whole new round.

Would be interesting to see the 8.6*70mm sniper rifles.

 

[Crixus]

Seems like India is buying everything which can help them to dominate in LOC ...good move

Never mind about the OFB model. Seems the requirement has changed, they're going for a whole new round.

Would be interesting to see the 8.6*70mm sniper rifles.

 

[Akasa]

With the 8.6mm round it doesn't really matter if the gun's bolt action or semi-auto, it's not going to be used as a DMR the same way the SVD or HK417 can be, they're just too large to support squad sniper tactics.

The lack of a free-floating barrel in semi-auto rifles won't affect the accuracy? I heard that the SCAR Mk. 17 can operate with a free floating barrel, but those types of rifles are rare.

 

[abc123xyx]

french PGM 338....

 

[Zarvan]

India Looking to Adopt a New 8,6mm Sniper Rifle

During the past couple of months, the Indian army had at least three casualties from sniper fire on the border. These incidents probably lead India to announce about their need for a new sniper rifle. They sent an information request to world’s major firearms manufacturers. The new rifle must be chambered in 8.6mm caliber and have an effective range of 1200 meters. Normally, .338 Lapua Magnum is referred to as 8.6mm cartridge in the metric designation. So it is clear that they want the rifle in .338 caliber and most likely it will be the .338 Lapua Magnum.

SVD rifle

The new gun will replace Russian SVD rifles in the Indian army, but it is not specified if they are requesting for a bolt action or semi-auto rifle. They are planning to purchase 5000 of new rifles for the units serving on the border. After that initial quantity is purchased, India will start manufacturing the rifledomestically. Obviously, if they are going to adopt the new gun for all their armed forces snipers and marksmen, they’ll need more than 5000 rifles. In fact, the possibility of further domestic manufacturing is a requirement in their request. They are looking to arrange a licensed manufacturing or establish a joint company with the supplier of the new gun. The tender and trials may start by June 2017.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/12/india-looking-adopt-new-86mm-sniper-rifle/

 

[Gandh brandi]

Lol at the comment section in that page. But one comment stands out.

"Take the Enfield you’ve already had in stock for 100 years, free float the barrel, put a 1917 rail on top with whatever existing sniper scopes you also have in stock, and send them out.
THAT is how you fulfill an emergency operational requirement. It’s EXACTLY what the U.S. military did in Iraq and Afghanistan when they needed a 7.62 marksman rifle right then and now."
— DW

 

[Fenrir]

Lol at the comment section in that page. But one comment stands out.

"Take the Enfield you’ve already had in stock for 100 years, free float the barrel, put a 1917 rail on top with whatever existing sniper scopes you also have in stock, and send them out.
THAT is how you fulfill an emergency operational requirement. It’s EXACTLY what the U.S. military did in Iraq and Afghanistan when they needed a 7.62 marksman rifle right then and now."
— DW

It is pretty funny, isn't it? If you're going to go through all that trouble to redesign and modify the Enfield, why not just build a new rifle?

But older weapons have been modified for use on the modern battlefield, so there's a precedent. Take the M1 Garand for instance - there are a handful of modernized variants.

In terms of a modernized Lee Enfield, this is what you're looking at:

Nice, but really not worth the trouble of converting the rifle to when alternatives already exist of could be developed specifically for the purpose of marksmanship.

That, and the Lee Enfield isn't a .338 rifle, so any conversion would need to take that into account too.

THAT is how you fulfill an emergency operational requirement. It’s EXACTLY what the U.S. military did in Iraq and Afghanistan when they needed a 7.62 marksman rifle right then and now."
— DW

True enough, that is what the US did, but they didn't dust off the M1917 or M1903. They put the M14 back into service, an older design dating back to the 1950s, but not turn of the century old like the Enfield.

The M14 has proven to be a very popular marksman weapon in the US military, and several modernized variants pressed into service such as the M25 and M39 EMR.

 

[Gandh brandi]

It is pretty funny, isn't it? If you're going to go through all that trouble to redesign and modify the Enfield, why not just build a new rifle?

But older weapons have been modified for use on the modern battlefield, so there's a precedent. Take the M1 Garand for instance - there are a handful of modernized variants.

In terms of a modernized Lee Enfield, this is what you're looking at:

Nice, but really not worth the trouble of converting the rifle to when alternatives already exist of could be developed specifically for the purpose of marksmanship.

That, and the Lee Enfield isn't a .338 rifle, so any conversion would need to take that into account too.



True enough, that is what the US did, but they didn't dust off the M1917 or M1903. They put the M14 back into service, an older design dating back to the 1950s, but not turn of the century old like the Enfield.

Don't quote me on that. I could care less what India adopts unless their military complex completely fucks it up. But thinking from past experience, looks like what the guy said SHOULD be done. I mean who knows how long will it take them to adopt it. BTW Russia's currently using this in small numbers.

 

[duhastmish]

They will buy most expensive since they can ask more commission.
Ideally india should develope own or buy cheapest which gets job done.

 

[Zarvan]

Indian Army wants to Upgrade Sniper Rifles

Hot on the heels of requesting an RFI for 36,000 thermal optics for GPMGs, Indian Army Infantry Procurement officials are putting out another RFI solicitation, this time for 5,000 rifles in .338 Lapua, no mention of scopes or thermal optics. In fact, the solicitation is worded very vaguely with “as light as possible for easy transport and use in varied terrain” and, “convenient to carry and operate by an average-built Indian soldier”. Defined metrics should improve to actual specifications in the competition process. I suspect these rifles are for border security against Pakistan, similar to the thermal optic RFI. Operations in Kashmir don’t seem to afford the ranges that a .338 Lapua capability would be useful at.

Although Indian Infantry currently use a number of bolt action rifles, semi-automatic rifles, and INAS DMRs for a long range role, it appears that the Cold War SVD Dragunov is especially effective due to its status as a squad level DMR. Within counter-insurgency warfare, DMRs are especially effective when the battlefield is extremely fluid and changing. Traditional sniper teams and tactics are effective as well, but are sometimes hard to get into position over very short periods of time. Something that a soldier with a DMR on a foot patrol can easily accomplish in a situation like Kashmir.

From Jane’s–

The service plans to acquire 5,000 bolt-action sniper rifles chambered for the .338 Lapua Magnum, with a requirement for the rifle to be capable of operation in environments to include high altitude, desert, and jungle.

With regards to weight and size, the specifications outlined are not set, with the RFI noting that its weight with bipod and empty magazine should be “as light as possible for easy transport and use in varied terrain”, while the overall length is required to be “convenient to carry and operate by an average-built Indian soldier.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/29/indian-army-wants-upgrade-sniper-rifles/