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Arms sale to Pak justified as India buys from US: Chinese official
Saibal Dasgupta, TNN 22 December 2009, 08:08pm


BEIJING: A senior Chinese defense official has justified Beijing's sale of warships and submarines to Pakistan on the ground that India was buying similar systems from Russia and the United States. He indicated that China was conscious India might be worried about the sales.

"The initiative may invite concerns from its neighboring countries. But the doubts are unnecessary," Zhai Dequan, deputy director of China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, was quoted as saying in the official media.

The statement came in the midst of efforts by Norman Bashir, chief of Pakistan's naval staff, to persuade Beijing to sell higher capacity ships as compared to the F22P frigates that China begun delivering last June.

Zhai said Pakistan’s desire for high capacity systems is normal for an independent nation seeking to bolster its security. India has also entered into large deals for military hardware from the US and Russia, he said.

"India's aircraft carrier has already cost it billions of US dollars," Zhai said.

Bashir, who met Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie on Friday, said Pakistan was keen on buying bigger ships and more JF-17 fighter planes from China apart from the submarines. Pakistan will buy more weapons including missiles from China in future, he said.

"The F22P frigate is about 3,000 tons, and now we are talking about 4,000-ton ships. These are very big projects and we think the cooperation is important for both countries, especially Pakistan," he said.

Pakistan booked four F22P frigates from China in 2005 and the first one began sea trials last year. Islamabad followed it up with another order of four more ships of same kind in 2007, the Chinese media said.

Bashir showered fulsome praise on Chinese warships saying they use the latest technology, and have the all-round capability to target surface ships, aircraft and submarine.

"The F22P frigate can be deployed to complete multitasks. The ship is balanced for offense and defense, and can be used in both peace and war time, if there is a war," he said. This is his third visit to China this year.

Arms sale to Pak justified as India buys from US: Chinese official - China - World - The Times of India
 
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And I thought Indian Media is not reliable enough for Pakistani posters......

Can you sometime use your mind before posting BS kind of arguments.

The Indian source is quoting the Chinese Officials words given in a press briefing, meaning this story itself has a source which can be counter checked on Chinese news websites too.

The Indian media articles reliability comes into question when they quote something from a source, especially a Pakistani source which doesn't even exists or post something related to Pakistan which had not even been read or heard in Pakistan itself. Even if Indian media quotes something from Pakistani sources and that Pakistani source is available to be checked then there is no issue in questioning the reliability of Indian media. But lately we have seen many Indian articles related to Pakistan having nothing to do with reality.

I remember it was one of your posted Indian article which quoted Pakistani The News newspaper and your thread got closed as there was no source confirming that such news was ever reported by the Pakistani newspaper The News. So here the reliability of Indian media and its articles are questioned.
 
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stupid reaction from china
why do any country have to justify their own actions if china is a soverign country and follows its own policy why do they need to make the obvious statements
nobody is going to loose revenue in the modern era
does the us justify when it sells weapons to any country or even russia does no no need 1 is a supplier and the other is a buyer there is no space for justification of actions unless offcource 1 is a supplier and the other is not a buyer but a vassal state of the former
which is very untrue in this case of the whole statement is kind of a joke and nothing more
 
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^^ China realizes that a cautionary policy is in the best interest of the region. China is simply trying to get the message across that every action has a reaction. Such statements reflect the goodwill China has towards all its neighbours despite unresolved conflicts. China wants a way out.
 
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And I thought Indian Media is not reliable enough for Pakistani posters......

V V --> Below is the example of Indian Media, making a story out of nothing.

ZHUKOVSKY (RUSSIA), December 23: Russia has offer Pakistan its latest nuclear capable MiG-35 fighter 4th generation plane. Pakistan will acquire 76 aircraft for its Air Force to replace its ageing Chinese F-7P, Nanchang A-5 and older French Mirage III fleet, a top Russian official said.

‘‘We will offer our MiG-35 multi-role fighters with thrust vectoring control along with transfer of technology for indigenous production in Pakistan,’’ Director General and Chief Designer of Russian Aircraft Corporation (RAC) ‘MiG’, Alexei Fedorov, said after a display of its capabilities by MiG-29OVT at the air show here.

Speaking on the sidelines of the international aerospace show MAKS-2205, Fedorov said it has been decided to market the MiG-29OVT with Thrust Vectoring Control (TVC) under the MiG-35 brand. ‘‘It has incorporated all the features of MiG-29M/M2 fighters developed on the basis of MiG-29 frontline fighter, and today, we can offer top-of-the-line multi-role combat aircraft with in-flight refuelling,’’ Fedorov said.
 
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Can you sometime use your mind before posting BS kind of arguments.

The Indian source is quoting the Chinese Officials words given in a press briefing, meaning this story itself has a source which can be counter checked on Chinese news websites too.

The Indian media articles reliability comes into question when they quote something from a source, especially a Pakistani source which doesn't even exists or post something related to Pakistan which had not even been read or heard in Pakistan itself. Even if Indian media quotes something from Pakistani sources and that Pakistani source is available to be checked then there is no issue in questioning the reliability of Indian media. But lately we have seen many Indian articles related to Pakistan having nothing to do with reality.

I remember it was one of your posted Indian article which quoted Pakistani The News newspaper and your thread got closed as there was no source confirming that such news was ever reported by the Pakistani newspaper The News. So here the reliability of Indian media and its articles are questioned.

Ok..so when the same India source quotes American..and India officers...and anything that does not suit Pakistani taste buds..it becomes unreliable...how convenient...
 
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Arms sale to Pak justified as India buys from US: Chinese official

Islamic Republic of Pakistan and US

P-3C Orions,COBRA Helo's (more in number than the chinese helo's) ,F-16's (more in numbers than J-10's), HARPOON Missiles, Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigate, Billions of dollars in aid (which is also used for defence shopping) on the top of that American bases inside Pakistan.

Bell-407,412,206,UH-1 helo's.

M-113 APC,M60A1 AVLB,M-48 patton tanks and related armour vehicles,M-88 recovery vehicles,M-109 howitzers,M-110 howitzers,M-16,M-4 guns.

C-130 Herculese,c-12,T-37 aircrafts.

This is all current inventory, forget the past.

Now what India got from US?

1 Trenton
6 Sea Kings
6 C-130J (2011 Onwards)
8 P8I Poseidon (2013 onwards)

Couple of M-4 carbines.

What a justification from Chinese.:what:

GB

P.S: - Pakistan has various US bases while India has none. Pakistan is the major NON-NATO ally of US, India is not.

Morale of the story : - Pakistan is more closer to US compared to India.

India's biggest arms vendor is Israel, Followed by Russia, followed by France. US is nowhere in Picture.
 
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Islamic Republic of Pakistan and US

P-3C Orions,COBRA Helo's (more in number than the chinese helo's) ,F-16's (more in numbers than J-10's), HARPOON Missiles, Oliver Hazard Perry Class frigate, Billions of dollars in aid (which is also used for defence shopping) on the top of that American bases inside Pakistan.

Bell-407,412,206,UH-1 helo's.

M-113 APC,M60A1 AVLB,M-48 patton tanks and related armour vehicles,M-88 recovery vehicles,M-109 howitzers,M-110 howitzers,M-16,M-4 guns.

C-130 Herculese,c-12,T-37 aircrafts.

This is all current inventory, forget the past.

Now what India got from US?

1 Trenton
6 Sea Kings
6 C-130J
8 P8I Poseidon

Couple of M-4 carbines.

What a justification from Chinese.:what:

GB

P.S: - Pakistan has various US bases while India has none. Pakistan is the major NON-NATO ally of US, India is not.

Morale of the story : - Pakistan is more closer to US compared to India.

India's biggest arms vendor is Israel, Followed by Russia, followed by France. US is nowhere in Picture.

Have you guys read the article properly and the context of it ???

The official said, India buys weapons from US, Russia not just US as the heading of the article suggets, twisted by the Indian reporting source, so why not Pakistan buys weapons from China or anyone else as it has the right to do so, just like India, as India makes hue and cry whenever we buy something even if its a simple helicopter for transport purposes.

I don't understand why so much fuss is being made out of a simple straight forward report.

Nothing offensive to India in it, it just says if India buys weapons around the world, so can Pakistan and it justifies Chinese sales to Pakistan.

What is in there to debate about ???
 
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Sea kings --- are british make - licnece copy of American Sikorsky S-61 helicopter. so they are not really american are they ????

Trenton - saw end for ameircan and U.S. tasked the vessel with evacuating citizens from Lebanon. and it was open to sale to anybody - even thoguht of using it for non military use. but india bought it amd refitted it for a meager 40 million $ . more over its only for rescue and humanitarian purpose.
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c-130 - pakistan already have c-130 in their air force.

------------- so its all fishy chinese dont really know what they are talking about, ------------ There is no problem in selling your product to someone - its just business but make lame excuse is worthless -- why justify ???? may be chinese think they are doing somethign wrong here by selling equipment to pakistan ?
 
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as India makes hue and cry whenever we buy something even if its a simple helicopter for transport purposes.

Its our policy, it worked in many cases.

It is most of the times put as India is afraid Pakistan getting X equipment from Y country etc.

However there are number of instances where Pakistan as well has protested against India buying X arms from Y country. Pakistan protested against India's nuke deal and NSG waiver.

The reason is always arms race or balance of south asia or creating insecurity among India's neighbors in South Asia etc. etc. etc.

GB
 
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P.S: - Pakistan has various US bases while India has none.

Lol.. you have no idea what you are comparing here. Its just like saying "Pakistan has Cancer while India has not.. why is India deprived of such a favor" :rofl:

As long as USA is giving you something in terms of Hardware, enjoy that but never ever Imagine to have them on your ground. America is not an AID to your defense but AIDS for it.
 
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Lol.. you have no idea what you are comparing here. Its just like saying "Pakistan has Cancer while India has not.. why is India deprived of such a favor" :rofl:

Maybe they miss the old British Colonial days...
 
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