Arjun News & Discussions

[IndianTiger]

Ajun MK1 perforamed well agains T90 in trials any one please tell me about Arjun MBT mk 2 specification.

 

[sudhir007]

Arjun Tanks

The Indian Army is placing an order for 124 Arjun Tanks Mark – II in addition to the equal number of Mark – I ordered earlier. Tank T-90, Tank T-72, and Arjun tanks are all main battle tanks of the Indian Army.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri BP Tarai and Shri Prabodh Panda in Lok Sabha today.

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DRDO to develop army’s next-generation tank

With most of our armour unfit to fight at night, the project is crucial.

In March this year, during trials in the Rajasthan desert, the Defence R&D Organisation’s Arjun tank conclusively outperformed the Russian T-90, the army’s showpiece. Buoyed by that success and by the army’s consequent order for 124 additional Arjuns, the DRDO is now readying to develop India’s next-generation tank, currently termed the Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT).

While costs are still being evaluated, the projections are mind-boggling. The development cost alone could be Rs 5,000 crore. Then, the replacement cost of the Indian Army’s 4,000 tanks — at a conservative Rs 25 crore per FMBT — adds to Rs 1,00,000 crore. The bulk of this would flow, over years of production, to Tier-I and Tier-II suppliers from small and medium industries.

For the first time, the DRDO has outlined the FMBT project’s contours. Talking exclusively to Business Standard, DRDO chief and Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister, V K Saraswat, revealed, “While the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) has been handed over to private industry, the DRDO will develop the FMBT. We need about seven-eight years from the time the project is formally sanctioned. The army and the DRDO have already identified the major features of the FMBT, which are quite different from the Arjun. While the Arjun is a 60-tonne tank, the FMBT will be lighter… about 50 tonnes. It will be a highly mobile tank.”

Vital project
The FMBT project, says the military, is crucial for India’s future battle readiness. As army chief, General Deepak Kapoor pronounced 80 per cent of India’s tank fleet unfit to fight at night, which is when most tank battles take place. The bulk of our fleet, some 2,400 obsolescent Russian T-72s, are being shoddily patched up (see Business Standard, Feb 3, ‘Army to spend billions on outdated T-72 tanks&#8217. More modern T-90 tanks were procured from Russia in 2001, shorn of crucial systems to reduce prices, after parliamentary dissent threatened to derail the contract (Business Standard, Feb 4, ‘Piercing the army’s armour of deception&#8217. Only now, after nine years of stonewalling, has Russia transferred the technology needed to build the T-90 in India.

Urgently in need of capable tanks, the army has worked with DRDO to finalise a broad range of capabilities for the FMBT. These have been formalised in a document called the Preliminary Specifications Qualitative Requirement (PSQR). The detailed specifications of the FMBT, once finalised, will be listed in General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQR).

Amongst the capabilities being finalised for the GSQR are: active armour, which will shoot down enemy anti-tank projectiles before they strike the FMBT; extreme mobility, which makes the FMBT much harder to hit; the capability to operate in a nuclear-contaminated battlefield without exposing the crew to radiation; and the networked flow of information to the FMBT, providing full situational awareness to the crew, even when “buttoned down” inside the tank.

Also being finalised is the FMBT armament, a key attribute that determines a tank’s battlefield influence. The Arjun already has a heavy 120mm ‘main gun’, and two small-calibre machine guns; the recently ordered batch of 124 Arjuns will also fire anti-tank missiles through their main gun. The army wants all of those for the FMBT, with ranges enhanced through technological improvements.

However, the DRDO chief ruled out an electromagnetic gun, the next generation in high-velocity guns towards which armament technology aspires. “The Future MBT is not so far in the future,” Saraswat quipped.

FICV, too
With the FMBT project squarely on its agenda, the DRDO also envisages a major role in developing the FICV. Says the DRDO chief, “The FICV is not just a conventional armoured vehicle for transporting soldiers. It involves advanced technologies and multidisciplinary integration, which private industry has never done. Only the DRDO and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) have that experience. DRDO teams are already thinking about the technologies that should go into the FICV. But this is only to support private industry in making the FICV project a success.”

While private industry weighs its options about where to manufacture the FICV, the DRDO has already chosen the Heavy Vehicle Factory (HVF) in Avadi —- the OFB facility that builds the Arjun —- as the FMBT production line.

“It will definitely be produced in HVF. I see no way that we can go away from HVF,” says Saraswat. “The HVF will work with us from the preliminary design of the FMBT, so that we can go from prototype to mass production without any hiccups.”

 

[flanker143]

so arjun mk2 is officially killed now.... no mass productions for it just like arjun mk1

 

[Archie]

There is no arjun Mk2 , army has ordered 124 additional arjuns
taking the total order to 248
FMBT is supposed to be a Light and agile tank Weighing under 50 Tons ,while Arjun Weighs 60 Tons
FMBT WILL REPLACE SOME 2000 T-72 TANKS ,which are currently undergoing upgrade and will begin retiring in 2020
Thanks to experiencve gained in building Arjun tank i dont think that it would take more than 7-8 yrs for building FMBT which should be ready by 2020 to replace T-72

 

[flanker143]

There is no arjun Mk2 , army has ordered 124 additional arjuns

are you on drugs ????????!!!!!!!!!!!

or i am in a dream ??

 

[Archie]

are you on drugs ????????!!!!!!!!!!!

or i am in a dream ??

In March this year, during trials in the Rajasthan desert, the Defence R&D Organisation’s Arjun tank conclusively outperformed the Russian T-90, the army’s showpiece. Buoyed by that success and by the army’s consequent order for 124 additional Arjuns, the DRDO is now readying to develop India’s next-generation tank, currently termed the Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT).

This contract was made so as to keep the assembly line of Arjun open for a few more years , otherwise it would have closed in 2011 , considering the fact that 100 Arjun Tanks have been delivered till date.
This additional order will enable DRDO to keep the Tank factory open till 2014
DRDO infact wanted army to purchase 350 more Arjun MBT however army declined the offer and decided to purchase 124 more Arjuns
However i can foresee purchase of a 3rd lot of 124 Arjun MBT in 2013 so as to keep the Production line open till the induction of FMBT in 2018 , and also the fact that if there is a delay in FMBT ,then army will be short of 100 tanks in 2020
T-90 MBT 1657
T-72 MBT 2000
Arjun MBT 0248
TOTAL 3905
Thats a shortage of 100 tanks against a sanctioned 4000 MBT

 

[black flame]

but it is said it is 4000 tanks so this tank is going to replace all the russian t90's and t72's here is the link in which it states that so it is going to start replacing them may be in 2016-17 may be

:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

 

[Donatello]

In March this year, during trials in the Rajasthan desert, the Defence R&D Organisation’s Arjun tank conclusively outperformed the Russian T-90, the army’s showpiece. Buoyed by that success and by the army’s consequent order for 124 additional Arjuns, the DRDO is now readying to develop India’s next-generation tank, currently termed the Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT).

This contract was made so as to keep the assembly line of Arjun open for a few more years , otherwise it would have closed in 2011 , considering the fact that 100 Arjun Tanks have been delivered till date.
This additional order will enable DRDO to keep the Tank factory open till 2014
DRDO infact wanted army to purchase 350 more Arjun MBT however army declined the offer and decided to purchase 124 more Arjuns
However i can foresee purchase of a 3rd lot of 124 Arjun MBT in 2013 so as to keep the Production line open till the induction of FMBT in 2018 , and also the fact that if there is a delay in FMBT ,then army will be short of 100 tanks in 2020
T-90 MBT 1657
T-72 MBT 2000
Arjun MBT 0248
TOTAL 3905
Thats a shortage of 100 tanks against a sanctioned 4000 MBT

Arjun is still not fully inducted in the Army and the are not going to induct in large numbers anyway, and you are talking about the next tank?


I mean, if it was some industry with history of actually developing a tank, i would agree, but looking at DRDO's history of Arjun, lets not say the new tank if ever will be ready by 2016.

 

[shrivatsa]

Guys dont get confused, fmbt is a new project.Arjun mk2 is an ongoing project.

Defence News: Generation 2.0: Arjun Mk-2

Path for the development of the Second generation of Arjun Mk-2 has been cleared recently by the Ministry of Defence and funding allocated , while the Army has ordered more 124 Arjun Mk-1 to keep the production line in Avadi busy till the Arjun Mk-2 will start rolling out from 2013-14 onwards . DRDO rather than starting all over again the Arjun MK-2 will have the same design of Arjun MK-1, but major changes are planned for the new generation variant of Arjun Tank to keep up with the new technological changes which are been incorporated in the MBT’s world over .
Arjun MK-2 will have Battle Field Management System (BFMS) which will enable the tank to get feed from UAV‘s and Helicopters, which then enable the Arjun mk-2 tank crew much aware of their surroundings and better understanding of the battle zone, this will lead to improvement in coordinating with other Friendly tanks in the zone and also avoid Friendly kills, it will also give information regarding enemy tank movement along with their troops and help navigate terrain in the battle zone.
Self-diagnostic system (SDS) will also be added to Arjun Mk-2 which is like a health monitoring system. it will not only tell the tank crew if it is having any problem but also point out the trouble area , it is also important when Tank has taken multiple hits from different position and from different ammunition after a self-diagnose Tank crew will know exact damage inflicted on the Tank .
Arjun Mk-2 will get a new efficient 1500bhp engine which has been in development by DRDO in India its self, they are reports that a Indian Private industry is also working with DRDO on the Engine development, currently Arjun MK-1 is powered by German supplied 1400bhp engine which is quite old in design and technical parameters but still a powerful and respected engine in the world.
NERA (non-explosive reactive armor) will be added to Arjun Mk-2 this will give the tank additional protection against anti-tank munitions, unlike ERA, NERA will enable tank to take multiple hits anti-tank munitions, but also increase the weight of Arjun MK-2 to 60 tons from its current weight (Arjun MK-1) of 58 tons.
It is much likely that Arjun Mk-2 will also spot Air-conditioning system for the crew, which will be powered from an APU which will draw its power from the Main engine of the Tank; this will enable the tank crew to operate in higher temperature of desert heat without any discomfort to the tank crew, Arjun MK-1 already has hardened electronics that function perfectly even in the Rajasthan summer without requiring any Air-conditioning system.
More changes will take place in Arjun Mk-2, above mentioned are mostly likely changes which will take place in the new variant.

 

[flanker143]

Arjun is still not fully inducted in the Army and the are not going to induct in large numbers anyway, and you are talking about the next tank?

paaji tussi fikkar na karo.... Indian army will order more arjuns than Pakistan army has ordered al-khalids ..... bas thora wait kar lo , any ways how many alkhalids have been inducted in PA (600 were to be procured) ?

 

[RPK]

http://logisticsweek.com/events/2010/08/indian-army-to-acquire-124-advanced-arjun-tanks/

The Indian Army is to procure 124 Arjun mkII tanks, the advanced version of the main battle tank (MBT), from the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), according to Defence Minister AK Antony.

The Arjun MBT, which will be designed by DRDO with modifications as required by the army, which is looking to add a futuristic main battle tanks (FMBT) to its armoury
The FMBT will be equipped with high-power lasers for targeting enemy rockets, aircraft and electro-optical sensors as per the army’s requirement.

The proposed procurement follows an order for additional 124 Arjun mkI MBTs, which was placed after the indigenous Arjun surpassed Russian T-90 tanks during comparative trials.

The army has placed orders for 248 Arjun mkI tanks, of which, 124 have already been delivered.

DRDO expects to fulfil orders for at least 500 Arjuns to recoup its investments before starting work on the futuristic MBT.

 

[flanker143]

In March this year, during trials in the Rajasthan desert, the Defence R&D Organisation’s Arjun tank conclusively outperformed the Russian T-90, the army’s showpiece. Buoyed by that success and by the army’s consequent order for 124 additional Arjuns, the DRDO is now readying to develop India’s next-generation tank, currently termed the Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT).

There is no arjun Mk2 , army has ordered 124 additional arjuns

army has ordered 124 additional arjuns ....... but they are gonna be mk2 versions

The Indian Army is placing an order for 124 Arjun Tanks Mark – II in addition to the equal number of Mark – I ordered earlier. Tank T-90, Tank T-72, and Arjun tanks are all main battle tanks of the Indian Army.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri BP Tarai and Shri Prabodh Panda in Lok Sabha today.

HH / RAJ


PIB Press Release

 

[IndianRobo]

Does this Mean that Arjun MKII is getting into its Final Stages, and its all set to Roll Out??? You made my Day guys

 

[flanker143]

Does this Mean that Arjun MKII is getting into its Final Stages, and its all set to Roll Out??? You made my Day guys

yes mk2 might be in the final stages ......... but thanks to army's new so called fmbt requirement it will be killed again ........ what i mean to say that no mass production for it ......

arny has an requirement for 4000 tanks ~~2000 t72s aren't going anywhere anytime soon , we have already ordered 1600 t 90 tanks... so that leaves a room for only 400 arjuns .....

guys i can't this thing through my head ....... WHY ISN'T ARMY GOING IN FOR MORE ARJUNS AND SCRAPPING (1000)T 90 ORDER WHEN IT KNOWS THAT ARJUN IS MUCH BETTER TANK ???

 

[anathema]

yes mk2 might be in the final stages ......... but thanks to army's new so called fmbt requirement it will be killed again ........ what i mean to say that no mass production for it ......

arny has an requirement for 4000 tanks ~~2000 t72s aren't going anywhere anytime soon , we have already ordered 1600 t 90 tanks... so that leaves a room for only 400 arjuns .....

guys i can't this thing through my head ....... WHY ISN'T ARMY GOING IN FOR MORE ARJUNS AND SCRAPPING (1000)T 90 ORDER WHEN IT KNOWS THAT ARJUN IS MUCH BETTER TANK ???

Flanker -- A question to you ?

why do you think IAF didnt order 270+ MKI's from the begining only ? They could have saved lot of trouble if they had !
Answer -- It takes time and patience to fall in love with someone or make someone fall in love with you. You need to work hard for that. Su 30 slowly but surely won over IAF hearts to the point that they are now confident that this a/c can handle most of the roles in IAF.

Similarly let Arjuns get inducted -- Let the tank commanders take a drive in them -- let them experience it and feel it -- sooner or later they are bound to say, 'hey this is much better than T90' -- and then Avadi factory will suddenly find a reason to smile ! Army is just being cautious now -- they just cant afford to be seen like a DODO when they were the ones who were cursing Arjun , nitpicking and not giving enough support -- now suddenly if they suddenly order Arjun -- DRDO being the smart *** it is , would scream this on top of their voice...