Arjun-II MBT development l Updates & discussion.

[Water Car Engineer]

Alright, no one cares about AK, AK 6, AK 10 whatever. Keep this discussion in another thread.

 

[punit]

Oh, there still trying to build a tank.....

yeah .. the easier way is a to buy a Chinese/ukrainian tank and give it a tough sounding Arabic Name !! And the AL -Saga continues !

Have had enough of your chutiyapa talk facts not nonsense.


Pak developed AK based on Type-90IIM series... Chinese developed the Z series off it..
MBT-2000 is the name of the export variant...

Do enlighten us about the Chinese systems used in the AK Btwn...

Would love you own you.



Did I say otherwise ?

When was the Arjun project started between ? In the 80s... Designed by whom? Germans .. Based on what? Leopard 1..

60% is imported from Foriegn vendors


https://www.google.com.pk/amp/amp.i...highest-import-content-missiles-lowest-670042

Has remained grounded since its inducted (and still is).. With more than 90 technical issues;



http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...vice-not-operational/articleshow/47103764.cms

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...arjun-army-imported-components-drdo/70963382/



http://m.timesofindia.com/city/pune...operationalised-soon/articleshow/56463651.cms







Which makes only 125 units and that too remain grounded.



Or maybe you are a moron.. And effectively proving it by embarrassing yourself.
And it's production is over 350.


Because we have to replace a lot of tanks .. And can't do that with expensive 1500hp tanks in a short time..

Knock yourself out;

http://quwa.org/2016/11/27/overview-al-khalid-2-main-battle-tank-program/

yeah Joint Development ! got it !

 

[SDS1]

Have had enough of your chutiyapa talk facts not nonsense.

havnt your called your those planes your PAK planes ??? prove me wrong? These are facts ....

Pak developed AK based on Type-90IIM series... Chinese developed the Z series off it..
MBT-2000 is the name of the export variant...
Do enlighten us about the Chinese systems used in the AK Btwn...

Would love you own you.

Well ... PAK name same plane JF-17 , and Chinese called these plane FC-1..... same planes but different name.

Did I say otherwise ?

When was the Arjun project started between ? In the 80s... Designed by whom? Germans .. Based on what? Leopard 1..

60% is imported from Foriegn vendors

Yes , Design philosophy is based on the Germans tank design, and its designed by Indian. J-10 was based on F-16 Design , so J-10 mused designed by US also ?

Yes even your Tanks also have many Imported components? engine etc , you should name which component is your in your tank and not under Lic production ?

Indian can make Tanks engines but Due to less number of tanks required India is not interested in making engines. but now it started developing own engines for future tanks.

https://www.google.com.pk/amp/amp.i...highest-import-content-missiles-lowest-670042

Has remained grounded since its inducted (and still is).. With more than 90 technical issues;

90 technical improvements and not issues , these are regular and weapons always have scope of improvements, all Major issues are closed in MK-II version , which is now under production

Tank Engine of 1500 HP Cummins QSK-38 turbocharged diesel unit, is also under testing / trial ....., most of tank MK-II now made in India.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...vice-not-operational/articleshow/47103764.cms

http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...arjun-army-imported-components-drdo/70963382/



http://m.timesofindia.com/city/pune...operationalised-soon/articleshow/56463651.cms







Which makes only 125 units and that too remain grounded.

not grounded its serving with units....

Or maybe you are a moron.. And effectively proving it by embarrassing yourself.
And it's production is over 350.

Because we have to replace a lot of tanks .. And can't do that with expensive 1500hp tanks in a short time..

Knock yourself out;

http://quwa.org/2016/11/27/overview-al-khalid-2-main-battle-tank-program/

you are producing since 2001 and only 350 units after 15 years and since your AK-II failed you are testing new tanks from UK , China etc. isnt true?

yes you need to replace lot of tanks and since after 15 yes only able to deploy 350 units.

India already now started producing MK-II (improved version) Plus further developing FMBT ...

 

[Water Car Engineer]

havnt your called your those planes your PAK planes ??? prove me wrong? These are facts ....


Well ... PAK name same plane JF-17 , and Chinese called these plane FC-1..... same planes but different name.



Yes , Design philosophy is based on the Germans tank design, and its designed by Indian. J-10 was based on F-16 Design , so J-10 mused designed by US also ?

Yes even your Tanks also have many Imported components? engine etc , you should name which component is your in your tank and not under Lic production ?

Indian can make Tanks engines but Due to less number of tanks required India is not interested in making engines. but now it started developing own engines for future tanks.



90 technical improvements and not issues , these are regular and weapons always have scope of improvements, all Major issues are closed in MK-II version , which is now under production

Tank Engine of 1500 HP Cummins QSK-38 turbocharged diesel unit, is also under testing / trial ....., most of tank MK-II now made in India.




not grounded its serving with units....




you are producing since 2001 and only 350 units after 15 years and since your AK-II failed you are testing new tanks from UK , China etc. isnt true?

yes you need to replace lot of tanks and since after 15 yes only able to deploy 350 units.

India already now started producing MK-II (improved version) Plus further developing FMBT ...

No need to go on about this, it's been discussed.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

havnt your called your those planes your PAK planes ??? prove me wrong? These are facts ....

Sure son.. Pak produced the safari and had rights over it... Years later we produced a new variant bigger in size,payload,endurance,avionics etc and exported hundreds ... Over 62 last years alone.


It's like Israeli Galile rifle.. Based on the AK.

Well ... PAK name same plane JF-17 , and Chinese called these plane FC-1..... same planes but different name.

Nomenclatures differ sunny... A lot of countries do that..

Yes , Design philosophy is based on the Germans tank design, and its designed by Indian. J-10 was based on F-16 Design , so J-10 mused designed by US also ?

Really? Kraus Maffei who designed the tank isn't Indian its German...
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/india-took-35-years-make-its-first-tank-it-was-total-18499


Leopard

Arjun

F-16

J-10

Even if somehow one even considers J-10 being based on F-16... It still Fukin works.

Yes even your Tanks also have many Imported components? engine etc , you should name which component is your in your tank and not under Lic production ?

and Arjun is 60% imported still....
And so is its engine etc.

Indian can make Tanks engines but Due to less number of tanks required India is not interested in making engines. but now it started developing own engines for future tanks.

And that's why India bought 1000 t-90s from Russia instead..

90 technical improvements and not issues , these are regular and weapons always have scope of improvements, all Major issues are closed in MK-II version , which is now under production

Aww.. Poor chap doesn't know that technical flaws =/= upgrades... But flaws... Which can't be upgraded ..

Tank Engine of 1500 HP Cummins QSK-38 turbocharged diesel unit, is also under testing / trial ....., most of tank MK-II now made in India.

Puttar see above even your previous mk-2 has been under testing since years:

not grounded its serving with units....

Defence

Army's fleet of Arjun tanks face technical issues; major proportion of 124 tanks in service not operational


Even mk2 which is still under t sting or development is facing criticism lol;

https://www.google.com.pk/amp/m.ind...hief-says-they-missed-the-point/1/629489.html

you are producing since 2001 and only 350 units after 15 years and since your AK-II failed you are testing new tanks from UK , China etc. isnt true?

Which tank did Pak test from uk?

And the tests were conducted last year.. I just posted a video link of HITs confirmation on AK-II.. Which will be a bigger,powerful tank than Oplot M etc who are at max in league with AK-I.


AK-I itself is an upgraded variant of the AK;

And we are rollin out over 500 AZs too;

As per 2014 report.

yes you need to replace lot of tanks and since after 15 yes only able to deploy 350 units.

Financial constraints kiddo..

Even than AKs low tech variants have been exported to several countries at a price of almost 4 million a pop.

India already now started producing MK-II (improved version) Plus further developing FMBT ...

Wake me up when they actually enter service.

Almost 4 decades and even 125 produced are grounded..LOL

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

How many Armour regiments have Arjunk.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Army's fleet of Arjun tanks face technical issues; major proportion of 124 tanks in service not operational


Even mk2 which is still under t sting or development is facing criticism lol;

https://www.google.com.pk/amp/m.ind...hief-says-they-missed-the-point/1/629489.html


Almost 4 decades and even 125 produced are grounded..LOL

The serviceability of the Mark 1s are back to 70% a year ago, probably higher now. This is stated by the MoD himself.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The serviceability of the Mark 1s are back to 70% a year ago, probably higher now. This is stated by the MoD himself.

A face saving attempt from Jan 11 - 2017

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/pune...operationalised-soon/articleshow/56463651.cms

 

[Water Car Engineer]

A face saving attempt from Jan 11 - 2017

http://m.timesofindia.com/city/pune...operationalised-soon/articleshow/56463651.cms

That article seems to have several different time periods at ones. The special committee they're talking about was set up a year+ ago. The MoD himself mentioned it to be 70% operational in the beginning of last year after he set that committee up. So no, it's not face saving nothing.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

That article seems to have several different time periods at ones. The special committee they're talking about was set up a year+ ago. The MoD himself mentioned it to be 70% operational in the beginning of last year after he set that committee up. So no, it's not face saving nothing.

The article is from 11 Jan 2017... Quoting Indian army generals.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Really? Kraus Maffei who designed the tank isn't Indian its German...
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/india-took-35-years-make-its-first-tank-it-was-total-18499


Leopard
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Arjun

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And what? You're talking you, or the Chinese got no help? Give me a break. You would say the same stupid shit about Dhruv, where are you in LCH, LUH threads? Those are based off of design, certification experiance from the Dhruv program.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

And what? You're talking you, or the Chinese got no help? Give me a break.

Did you read my post ? The AK is based on Type-90II series... THE AK USES NO CHINESE SUBSYSTEMS.. You are free as a fly to prove me wrong.

You would say the same stupid shit about Dhruv, where are you in LCH, LUH threads? Those are based off of design, certification experiance from the Dhruv program.

Good luck on those projects... But if my memory serves me right ... I did prove it was an Indian assembled Mb helicopter (yeah German again)... Just a worse crash record.

havnt your called your those planes your PAK planes ??? prove me wrong? These are facts ....


Well ... PAK name same plane JF-17 , and Chinese called these plane FC-1..... same planes but different name.



Yes , Design philosophy is based on the Germans tank design, and its designed by Indian. J-10 was based on F-16 Design , so J-10 mused designed by US also ?

Yes even your Tanks also have many Imported components? engine etc , you should name which component is your in your tank and not under Lic production ?

Indian can make Tanks engines but Due to less number of tanks required India is not interested in making engines. but now it started developing own engines for future tanks.



90 technical improvements and not issues , these are regular and weapons always have scope of improvements, all Major issues are closed in MK-II version , which is now under production

Tank Engine of 1500 HP Cummins QSK-38 turbocharged diesel unit, is also under testing / trial ....., most of tank MK-II now made in India.




not grounded its serving with units....




you are producing since 2001 and only 350 units after 15 years and since your AK-II failed you are testing new tanks from UK , China etc. isnt true?

yes you need to replace lot of tanks and since after 15 yes only able to deploy 350 units.

India already now started producing MK-II (improved version) Plus further developing FMBT ...

7 years now
https://defence.pk/threads/generation-2-0-arjun-mk-2.58322/

And other seven maybe.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

The article is from 11 Jan 2017... Quoting Indian army generals.

ToI is mixing up several things up at once. If the MoD said himself it's operational up to 70%, it's he himself the set that program in motion, no one would even know about this problem if it wasnt for him.

Good luck on those projects... But if my memory serves me right ... I did prove it was an Indian assembled Mb helicopter (yeah German again)... Just a worse crash record.

What MB helicopter? Again, the design and certification process from the Dhruv program showing dividends with the LUH and LCH program. If it was a simple, assembly work why didnt India go back for design help for those program?


They consulted, no different from Koreans doing the same for the Turks, BAE doing the same for the new Turkish bird. Or the Russians helping China in the FC1 in your, "JV". Several nations had help.

With the Dhruv example, the experience from that program have proven worthwhile, point in case --

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

ToI is mixing up several things up at once. If the MoD said himself it's operational up to 70%, it's he himself the set that program in motion, no one would even know about this problem if it wasnt for him.

Than so is your army.

What MB helicopter? Again, the design and certification process from the Dhruv program showing dividends with the LUH and LCH program. If it was a simple, assembly work why didnt India go back for design help for those program?


They consulted, no different from Koreans doing the same for the Turks, BAE doing the same for the new Turkish bird. Or the Russians helping China in the JF17 in your, "JV". Several nations had help.

Do you really want to go back to that again? In a topic about tanks? I understand your frustration but another time maybe.

 

[SDS1]

How many Armour regiments have Arjunk.

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