Arjun-II MBT development l Updates & discussion.

[gslv mk3]

Lol, thats some reference you have there.

DRDO sources are far more credible than some random TTA on a defense forum who manufactures his owns theories like 'Tejas Airframe shivers past 6g'.

Either or proper proof or stop the unnecessary trolling.

 

[Echo_419]

DRDO sources are far more credible than some random TTA on a defense forum who manufactures his owns theories like 'Tejas Airframe shivers past 6g'.

Either or proper proof or stop the unnecessary trolling.

Don't bother, this is the same dude who claimed his claim is more authentic than CAG

 

[R!CK]

Kontakt-5 on T-72B3

DRDO'S MK.II reactive armor,

From Nii stali website,

" «CONTACT-5» INTEGRATED ERA SYSTEM
The system is designed to improve protection of T-72, T-90, T-80 tanks and their modifications. The system reduces armor piercing capabilities of ATGM by 60%, of RPG by 90% and of kinetic energy AT ammunition (APFSDS) by 20%. The key component of the system is 4S22 ERA panel."

http://www.niistali.ru/en/products-and-services/#RELICT

where is the difference?

Using this logic, can u please confirm that the Chinese have copied all the equipments they have made from others?

If it looks like Something, it might be the Same thing yea?

On topic: If you really think Russians will share their armour tech with anyone, then you might need more research about Russian industry. I wish you used your title to spread your wealth of knowledge rather than hate. I have high respect for few Pakistani and Chinese equipments based on the merits of their efforts regardless of the fact that is from Pakistan or China. It's easy to point fingers at others, but remember while u point 1 finger at others, 4 fingers point towards you.

Good day!

 

[desimorty]

Links ? Proof?

I don't know of his source but its known that DRDO works closely with Russian labs. ERA is a non issue. It has been readily available for a long time and the Russians lead the research.
ERA MKII from DRDO labs is basically is the Russian ERA design with a lot of help from Russia but produced using local steal, exp from India.
That being said, its very good ERA, India saves money on RnD to persue other avenues for armor dev.
Considering the bigger picture, working with Russians helps India. While Dazzeler probability trying to highlight failures of India or Arjun it should be noted that Indian Armour is actually the best in Asia aside for Russian quantity.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

I don't know of his source but its known that DRDO works closely with Russian labs. ERA is a non issue. It has been readily available for a long time and the Russians lead the research.
ERA MKII from DRDO labs is basically is the Russian ERA design with a lot of help from Russia but produced using local steal, exp from India.
That being said, its very good ERA, India saves money on RnD to persue other avenues for armor dev.
Considering the bigger picture, working with Russians helps India. While Dazzeler probability trying to highlight failures of India or Arjun it should be noted that Indian Armour is actually the best in Asia aside for Russian quantity.

Right, where were those Russian labs when they refused the barrel, or a section of turret armor on the T90? Those labs were no where to be found, still no where to be found because India had to find local alternatives instead of importing them from Russia.

Kontakt-5 on T-72B3

DRDO'S MK.II reactive armor,

From Nii stali website,

" «CONTACT-5» INTEGRATED ERA SYSTEM
The system is designed to improve protection of T-72, T-90, T-80 tanks and their modifications. The system reduces armor piercing capabilities of ATGM by 60%, of RPG by 90% and of kinetic energy AT ammunition (APFSDS) by 20%. The key component of the system is 4S22 ERA panel."

http://www.niistali.ru/en/products-and-services/#RELICT

where is the difference?

What did you just prove? First you come from license production from Russia, to a copy now. There's a difference between the two.

They can do what they please with this property, this includes scaling their design to fit onto a much bigger tank.

 

[Han Patriot]

its just a K-5 copy produced by DRDO, nothing super duper as some fanboys make it out to be.

Yup, the Indians are geniuses, they suddenly dream about ERA, and all the technologies got downloaded into their super brains. This coming from the same guys who had never made a tank before.

 

[GuardianRED]

Yup, the Indians are geniuses, they suddenly dream about ERA, and all the technologies got downloaded into their super brains. This coming from the same guys who had never made a tank before.

Sad ... and i though u are learning!.... but No... still lack the intelligence!... U have REALLY REALLY wasted u education!

Do some research before commenting!

 

[desimorty]

Right, where were those Russian labs when they refused the barrel, or a section of turret armor on the T90? Those labs were no where to be found, still no where to be found because India had to find local alternatives instead of importing them from Russia.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/arjun-ii...dates-discussion.292466/page-57#ixzz4FG16yEnb

Sometimes the legal process gets in the way. Which is why the big guys step in. Remember the Arihant. Do you think it would be possible with out Russian assistance? If it was, it would have turned out to be a lemon like the Early PLAN SSN.
The barrel tech, was most likely a technical issue. Its about the resources ie steal. It needs to be local, so a direct copy is impossible considering the metallurgy difference and price difference. Russians are always under advisory role official or under the table. The is why Kanchan is used on the T-90 instead of Russian stuff.
But yea, keep thinking DRDO is too stupid. They are corrupt but they are not stupid. They are engineers and PHD holders some of the best in the field if not they know some one who is.
Why would they not work with foreign labs to re-invent domestic solution? Thats like 90% what DRDO has done.
Only difference is now the funding is coming in and infrastructure is being set up still including manufacturing support.
The AGNI SLBM would that have been possible with out Russian involvement? Considering the budget and stellar success.
The Russians are not giving this for free. But they are giving a pretty good deal considering what they provide others. This is nowhere near what US or anyother global partner provides for India.

 

[gslv mk3]

The AGNI SLBM would that have been possible with out Russian involvement?

There is no Agni SLBM

 

[desimorty]

Yup, the Indians are geniuses, they suddenly dream about ERA, and all the technologies got downloaded into their super brains. This coming from the same guys who had never made a tank before.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/arjun-ii...dates-discussion.292466/page-57#ixzz4FG78UpSa

Indians made and mounted the first tank in the middle ages with war elephants mounted with Canons on the back. Low IQ who now?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Sometimes the legal process gets in the way. Which is why the big guys step in. Remember the Arihant. Do you think it would be possible with out Russian assistance? If it was, it would have turned out to be a lemon like the Early PLAN SSN.
The barrel tech, was most likely a technical issue. Its about the resources ie steal. It needs to be local, so a direct copy is impossible considering the metallurgy difference and price difference. Russians are always under advisory role official or under the table. The is why Kanchan is used on the T-90 instead of Russian stuff.
But yea, keep thinking DRDO is too stupid. They are corrupt but they are not stupid. They are engineers and PHD holders some of the best in the field if not they know some one who is.
Why would they not work with foreign labs to re-invent domestic solution? Thats like 90% what DRDO has done.
Only difference is now the funding is coming in and infrastructure is being set up still including manufacturing support.
The AGNI SLBM would that have been possible with out Russian involvement? Considering the budget and stellar success.
The Russians are not giving this for free. But they are giving a pretty good deal considering what they provide others. This is nowhere near what US or anyother global partner provides for India.

I am aware of Arihant, but I am also know what's been disclosed to us thus far regarding the T90.

That includes the year+ long wait on getting the documents from Russia. When the documents came, they were all in Russian. Translating them took year+. When that was well and done, they didnt transfer certain tech for the barrel, or the armoring for a key portion of the turret. The armoring of the turret was a particular problem for the production of the T90.

This has nothing to do with metallurgy bs. It was them not giving the tech, period. They never changed their position from this, and the industry was brought in to rectify the problems with their tech transfer production.

Of course DRDO's would use what's at hand to them(K5), but I doubt Russia willingly gave any tech for ERA or the new NERA. They sure as hell didnt with the other aforementioned things.

 

[Han Patriot]

I don't know of his source but its known that DRDO works closely with Russian labs. ERA is a non issue. It has been readily available for a long time and the Russians lead the research.
ERA MKII from DRDO labs is basically is the Russian ERA design with a lot of help from Russia but produced using local steal, exp from India.
That being said, its very good ERA, India saves money on RnD to persue other avenues for armor dev.
Considering the bigger picture, working with Russians helps India. While Dazzeler probability trying to highlight failures of India or Arjun it should be noted that Indian Armour is actually the best in Asia aside for Russian quantity.

Well at least you are the first Indian I know to admit Russian 'help. Even the DMR steel was basically just a Russian AB steel copy.

 

[desimorty]

Well at least you are the first Indian I know to admit Russian 'help. Even the DMR steel was basically just a Russian AB steel copy.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/arjun-ii...dates-discussion.292466/page-58#ixzz4FYvsx5ni

Not knowing informed people is not excuse for your own ignorance. Or perhaps its your low IQ?

 

[Perpendicular]

https://twitter.com/x/status/760903323138478080

 

[MimophantSlayer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/760903323138478080

Any pics?