Arjun-II MBT development l Updates & discussion.

[Dazzler]

Well this tank was pitted against T90 by IA ,so they can show their love for Natasha,fortunately it didn't work and Arjun Mk1 outgun and outrun T90. Now here is clue,if it can give a bloody nose to T90s, think about AK and T80.

Now come out of delusion, put links and source for your claim.
BTW Just wait for few more months,a good news is on the way for Arjun Mk2 lovers.
Clue :Its about orders

Well this tank was pitted against T90 by IA ,so they can show their love for Natasha,fortunately it didn't work and Arjun Mk1 outgun and outrun T90. Now here is clue,if it can give a bloody nose to T90s, think about AK and T80.

Now come out of delusion, put links and source for your claim.
BTW Just wait for few more months,a good news is on the way for Arjun Mk2 lovers.
Clue :Its about orders

First, read this not in haste but slowly to get things in perspective, the Army is NOT ordering more Arjuns, but looking to fit these 248 odd in a fitting role. This does not happen to a supposedly frontline main battle tank, sorry.

Arjun tank outruns, outguns Russian T-90 | Business Standard News

as per the source, they are looking to pit it in a "defensive" role, in the desert area, this in itself shows a lack of confidence in Arjun. They are not pitting it in stike corps. Sigh

Your hint maybe on increased numbers right, so as you ask often, what is the source?? Must be your personal vendetta.

The results of the trials are still "officially" secret, poor media took it for victory. The fact is that Arjun struggled in atleast two trials (related to engine, failed twice, replaced in the field, passed trial and violla !!) but t-90 didnt. There is a reason why IA order for Arjun still stands at 248 odd pieces and going for more t-90s because they know which tank is more battle ready. The only department where Arjun performed well is situational awareness and fire control but isnt it well known already? What about firepower? which shells were used at what ranges? no news, because there is no good news to share.


the mk-II apfsds round length, maximum penetration values it can give is 270-300mm RHA at best ! Not even sufficient for side armour penetration, let alone frontal armour

Ever wonder why DRDO went from mk.1 to mk.2 without the tank being ordered in break even numbers (500 needed for a break even) ? Mk.1 has plenty of issues which were mostly rectified in mk.2. So you see, mk.2 is not a radical upgrade of mk.1, rather, it is arimed at "reducing" the weaknesses, short comings in mk.1 Now why on earth would IA order mk.1 when its issues are so many that it is not even funny? So here is Mk.2 with less issues, ok, what is mk.2? it is an Arjun with a whooping 60+ton weight with the same 1400hp engine that is slightly "torqued up" to overcome the T/W issue seen in mk.1, but at the expense of maximum speed, so here we have a tank with less speed than the first version, torque increment is needed to give it a higher immediate acceleration due to more weight added.

Not to mention the repeated over heating issue in desert after 100km is still there, yet to be addressed. Mk.2 has a FCS of French origin, Savan -15, same as used on Malay PT-91M, it is a good system, reliable so a good choice here. But what about all the optics scattered on the roof??

I mean optics all over the place. A cursory look at the tank roof gives a funny nod as it is hastily placed all over. I can virtually go on with stuff that makes virtually no sense at all.

Here is an image of how hastily things were just lumped over the roof, look at the RCWS, almost in the mid, inviting enemy to hit. A sight put at the back for some reason, clearly things just piled up in a hurry for a parade. Any armour guy will tell you that is not how you put RCWS and optics on an mbt, rather, you put it in bulk heads, akin to Alkhalid or Leopard or Challenger or Merkava or M1Axx, where these bulk heads contain AT LEAST two sights (daym night, TI), laser range finder, thermal imager etc.

I hope you got the point, if not, i will explain later.

 

[Dazzler]

related to tracks, because current tracks cannot sustain increased weight in the field..

March 14, 2014
DRDO Seeks Additional Diehl Track System 570 Z0 for Arjun MBT Mk-2 As Trials Progress

DRDO has invited bids for Diehl Track System 570 Z0 for fitment on 5 Arjun MBT Mk-2 tanks.
Diehl, a German defense equipment manufacturer, produces chains and drive components for a wide range of military vehicles worldwide including the 70-ton Leopard 2 MBT and Arjun Mk-1 MBT.
Diehl tracks fitted on Arjun Mk-1 are now being manufactured by L&T. (The tracks on a tank have limited life and need to be periodically replaced.)
Arjun Mk-2 is reportedly undergoing 5 phase user acceptance trials, of which three phases have already been completed.
Improvements suggested in each phase are being implemented before the start of the subsequent phase.
The concluding fourth and fifth phases of user trials will begin in May 2014.
In the fourth phase the tank would be tested for obstacle crossing and medium fording (water) capabilities.
There are 89 improvements being undertaken on the Mk II tank, out of which 74 are related to equipment fitted on the tank and the remaining 15 are other improvements such as ammunition development.
So far the prototype tank has covered over 5,000 km as part of the DRDO and user trials.
The Indian Army has already placed orders on Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF), Avadi, Chennai for 124 Arjun Mark-II tanks.
The additional 124 MBTs would help the Army to raise two more regiments of the indigenous tanks.
Production of the first batch of Arjun Mark-II MBTs is likely to start by 2015.

Thum! Kaun Aata Hai?: DRDO Seeks Additional Diehl Track System 570 Z0 for Arjun MBT Mk-2 As Trials Progress

 

[gslv mk3]

related to tracks, because current tracks cannot sustain increased weight in the field..

From your own link-Diehl tracks fitted on Arjun Mk-1 are now being manufactured by L&T.

 

[Dazzler]

From your own link-Diehl tracks fitted on Arjun Mk-1 are now being manufactured by L&T.

yes, the original tracks are being manufactured but the tender is for new tracks to be fitted and qualified on mk.2 since the original ones cant handle the extra weight.

 

[IND151]

related to tracks, because current tracks cannot sustain increased weight in the field..





Thum! Kaun Aata Hai?: DRDO Seeks Additional Diehl Track System 570 Z0 for Arjun MBT Mk-2 As Trials Progress

Diehl tracks fitted on Arjun Mk-1 are now being manufactured by L&T. (The tracks on a tank have limited life and need to be periodically replaced.)

Same will happen to tracks on Mk 2.

120mm thermobaric + fragmentation round for Arjun being tested.

Any source for GIF?

 

[GORKHALI]

First, read this not in haste but slowly to get things in perspective, the Army is NOT ordering more Arjuns, but looking to fit these 248 odd in a fitting role. This does not happen to a supposedly frontline main battle tank, sorry.

Arjun tank outruns, outguns Russian T-90 | Business Standard News

as per the source, they are looking to pit it in a "defensive" role, in the desert area, this in itself shows a lack of confidence in Arjun. They are not pitting it in stike corps. Sigh

Your hint maybe on increased numbers right, so as you ask often, what is the source?? Must be your personal vendetta.

The results of the trials are still "officially" secret, poor media took it for victory. The fact is that Arjun struggled in atleast two trials (related to engine, failed twice, replaced in the field, passed trial and violla !!) but t-90 didnt. There is a reason why IA order for Arjun still stands at 248 odd pieces and going for more t-90s because they know which tank is more battle ready. The only department where Arjun performed well is situational awareness and fire control but isnt it well known already? What about firepower? which shells were used at what ranges? no news, because there is no good news to share.


the mk-II apfsds round length, maximum penetration values it can give is 270-300mm RHA at best ! Not even sufficient for side armour penetration, let alone frontal armour

Ever wonder why DRDO went from mk.1 to mk.2 without the tank being ordered in break even numbers (500 needed for a break even) ? Mk.1 has plenty of issues which were mostly rectified in mk.2. So you see, mk.2 is not a radical upgrade of mk.1, rather, it is arimed at "reducing" the weaknesses, short comings in mk.1 Now why on earth would IA order mk.1 when its issues are so many that it is not even funny? So here is Mk.2 with less issues, ok, what is mk.2? it is an Arjun with a whooping 60+ton weight with the same 1400hp engine that is slightly "torqued up" to overcome the T/W issue seen in mk.1, but at the expense of maximum speed, so here we have a tank with less speed than the first version, torque increment is needed to give it a higher immediate acceleration due to more weight added.

Not to mention the repeated over heating issue in desert after 100km is still there, yet to be addressed. Mk.2 has a FCS of French origin, Savan -15, same as used on Malay PT-91M, it is a good system, reliable so a good choice here. But what about all the optics scattered on the roof??

I mean optics all over the place. A cursory look at the tank roof gives a funny nod as it is hastily placed all over. I can virtually go on with stuff that makes virtually no sense at all.

Here is an image of how hastily things were just lumped over the roof, look at the RCWS, almost in the mid, inviting enemy to hit. A sight put at the back for some reason, clearly things just piled up in a hurry for a parade. Any armour guy will tell you that is not how you put RCWS and optics on an mbt, rather, you put it in bulk heads, akin to Alkhalid or Leopard or Challenger or Merkava or M1Axx, where these bulk heads contain AT LEAST two sights (daym night, TI), laser range finder, thermal imager etc.

I hope you got the point, if not, i will explain later.

First, read this not in haste but slowly to get things in perspective, the Army is NOT ordering more Arjuns, but looking to fit these 248 odd in a fitting role. This does not happen to a supposedly frontline main battle tank, sorry.
Well as I said all they wanted was to show their love for Natasha which is because their know how to grease their arms. T90 suffered from multiple issue but finally sorted after DRDO intervention,today they are using lot Arjun component replacing original OEM .While 248 is not a small No.to start with as T90 are always their to fill the NOS and they already been ordered long back.Wait for few more months ,more order is coming .
as per the source, they are looking to pit it in a "defensive" role, in the desert area, this in itself shows a lack of confidence in Arjun. They are not pitting it in stike corps..You again started with your busted claim just like before isn't it ? 75 Armoured Unit is the only unit which was born while fighting INDO PAK war 1971 in Gadra road.Guess what this regiment was issued a task to blitzkrieg Now even in Cold war strategy, their is no defence but all units are used for offensive.

The results of the trials are still "officially" secret, poor media took it for victory. The fact is that Arjun struggled in atleast two trials (related to engine, failed twice, replaced in the field, passed trial and violla !!) but t-90 didnt. There is a reason why IA order for Arjun still stands at 248 odd pieces and going for more t-90s because they know which tank is more battle ready. The only department where Arjun performed well is situational awareness and fire control but isnt it well known already? What about firepower? which shells were used at what ranges? no news, because there is no good news to share.
So you know better than Indian journos and you got the secret reports thanks to extensive reach of ISI,now say that too.In India ,media is always looking for sensational news.
Will answer your rest of the question

 

[Dazzler]

@GORKHALI

Well as I said all they wanted was to show their love for Natasha which is because their know how to grease their arms. T90 suffered from multiple issue but finally sorted after DRDO intervention,today they are using lot Arjun component replacing original OEM .While 248 is not a small No.to start with as T90 are always their to fill the NOS and they already been ordered long back.Wait for few more months ,more order is coming .

for a tank needed in numbers and a breakeven figure given as 500, 248 is merely a trial batch, its called "a weapon system not preferred by the user" mentality

You again started with your busted claim just like before isn't it ? 75 Armoured Unit is the only unit which was born while fighting INDO PAK war 1971 in Gadra road.Guess what this regiment was issued a task to blitzkrieg Now even in Cold war strategy, their is no defence but all units are used for offensive.

you are the one with BS stuff without any clue and to support your baseless argument, you had to bring 71 and what not in right. READ THE LINK IT IS FROM YOUR MEDIA

So you know better than Indian journos and you got the secret reports thanks to extensive reach of ISI,now say that too.In India ,media is always looking for sensational news.

Ao you believe in journos??? NO wonder your argument is so eloquent.[/quote]

 

[GORKHALI]

related to tracks, because current tracks cannot sustain increased weight in the field..





Thum! Kaun Aata Hai?: DRDO Seeks Additional Diehl Track System 570 Z0 for Arjun MBT Mk-2 As Trials Progress

Bull shit again.It says tracks are usually get changed after some time due to rigorous trail.The same tracks are used for Leopard tanks which way heavier than Arjun Mk 1 & 2.

 

[GORKHALI]

@GORKHALI

for a tank needed in numbers and a breakeven figure given as 500, 248 is merely a trial batch, its called "a weapon system not preferred by the user" mentality

you are the one with BS stuff without any clue and to support your baseless argument, you had to bring 71 and what not in right. READ THE LINK IT IS FROM YOUR MEDIA



Ao you believe in journos??? NO wonder your argument is so eloquent.

No you suspecting Indian media as it doesn't serve your purpose.Actually its way too better than HIT PR.Indian media are always their to expose DRDO and OFB in drop of a Pin,unlike Pakistan Media.
On topic:I never said Arjun doesn't have any flaws ,actually it does and some are very basic but so is Al Khalid.
On Arjun Mk2 Flaws:
Arjun Mk2 inherits weak spots of Arjun Mk1, mainly on turret.

First problem with Arjun is that this is a damn huge tank, it is unnececary big, which means more internal volume and more unnececary weight.

Arjun series actually for their weight, have much less internal volume protected by composite armor codenamed "Kanchan" (and no, due to nature of composite armor, it can't protect whole 360 degrees due to it's volume and weight, so in all tanks it is allways placed on front projections, and in some design also side turret projections, very rare is to add such protection for hull side projections, mostly in form of addon armor).

The basic turret design does not changed between Mk1 and Mk2, and can be used as reference.

In Arjun Mk2, problem with main sight "window" as a weak spot, had not been solved, pity, because due to a simple redesign and adding ERA there, protection would rise significantly and weak zone would be reduced. Instead however, engineers preffered to place there this radar antenna... I still ask myself, why? Much more logical would be to place this antenna on the gun mantle, or somewhere at the turret rear or rear side, antenna could be then retractable in to armor box, so it would be protected if not used.

I think that the main problem with Arjun, is the lack of logic when vehicle is designed, we rather see very crude design, with all things that was considered worthy, packed on a tank, without any second thought.

In therms of turret frontal protection, Pakistani Al Khalid is much better designed, front weak spot is reduced only to the gun mantle, main gunner sight is placed behind armor modules and through turret roof. Also turret have much better geometry when we consider that composite armor is protecting only it's front.

However just like in case of Arjun Mk2, Al Khalid have problems with ERA placement on turret, and cover is not tight. In the region the best ERA cover and overall protection will have T-80UD on Pakistani side, and T-90S on Indian side.
Fire power:
When it comes to firepower, here Al Khalid have advantage due to use of a relatively modern smoothbore gun. But this advantage should not be big, and can be limited in future by the allowed lenght of APFSDS rod when projectile is in autoloader ammunition cassettes. Al Khalid uses Chinese copy of the original T-72 AZ autoloader, so some problems can be faced in future by Pakistanis. Indians here a have a much greater comfort, however still, currently used APFSDS or Arjun Mk1 is... well this is early 1980's level of capabilities, nothing impressive these days, maybe new APFSDS will be better but still hard to say due to lack of any photos to make even simple estimations.

In terms of other types of ammunition, here we have equality.

However when it comes to GLATGM's, well, Al Khalid can use GLATGM's with bigger warheads, which means better penetration, but range of 9M119 or "Kombat" is 5000m, while LAHAT used by Arjun Mk2 have smaller warhead, that most likely have lesser penetration capability, but LAHAT have a range advantage up to 8000m.

Mobility here is a very interesting aspect. Both tanks have some solutions I like.

In case of Arjun, I think it was the overall best decision during design phase to choose hydrogas suspension system. Al Khalid on the other hand uses Ukrainian 6TD-2 diesel, which I really like, compact, with good HP level, reliable.

Thanks to Damian

 

[Dazzler]

No you suspecting Indian media as it doesn't serve your purpose.Actually its way too better than HIT PR.Indian media are always their to expose DRDO and OFB in drop of a Pin,unlike Pakistan Media.
On topic:I never said Arjun doesn't have any flaws ,actually it does and some are very basic but so is Al Khalid.
On Arjun Mk2 Flaws:
Arjun Mk2 inherits weak spots of Arjun Mk1, mainly on turret.

First problem with Arjun is that this is a damn huge tank, it is unnececary big, which means more internal volume and more unnececary weight.

Arjun series actually for their weight, have much less internal volume protected by composite armor codenamed "Kanchan" (and no, due to nature of composite armor, it can't protect whole 360 degrees due to it's volume and weight, so in all tanks it is allways placed on front projections, and in some design also side turret projections, very rare is to add such protection for hull side projections, mostly in form of addon armor).

The basic turret design does not changed between Mk1 and Mk2, and can be used as reference.

In Arjun Mk2, problem with main sight "window" as a weak spot, had not been solved, pity, because due to a simple redesign and adding ERA there, protection would rise significantly and weak zone would be reduced. Instead however, engineers preffered to place there this radar antenna... I still ask myself, why? Much more logical would be to place this antenna on the gun mantle, or somewhere at the turret rear or rear side, antenna could be then retractable in to armor box, so it would be protected if not used.

I think that the main problem with Arjun, is the lack of logic when vehicle is designed, we rather see very crude design, with all things that was considered worthy, packed on a tank, without any second thought.

In therms of turret frontal protection, Pakistani Al Khalid is much better designed, front weak spot is reduced only to the gun mantle, main gunner sight is placed behind armor modules and through turret roof. Also turret have much better geometry when we consider that composite armor is protecting only it's front.

However just like in case of Arjun Mk2, Al Khalid have problems with ERA placement on turret, and cover is not tight. In the region the best ERA cover and overall protection will have T-80UD on Pakistani side, and T-90S on Indian side.
Fire power:
When it comes to firepower, here Al Khalid have advantage due to use of a relatively modern smoothbore gun. But this advantage should not be big, and can be limited in future by the allowed lenght of APFSDS rod when projectile is in autoloader ammunition cassettes. Al Khalid uses Chinese copy of the original T-72 AZ autoloader, so some problems can be faced in future by Pakistanis. Indians here a have a much greater comfort, however still, currently used APFSDS or Arjun Mk1 is... well this is early 1980's level of capabilities, nothing impressive these days, maybe new APFSDS will be better but still hard to say due to lack of any photos to make even simple estimations.

In terms of other types of ammunition, here we have equality.

However when it comes to GLATGM's, well, Al Khalid can use GLATGM's with bigger warheads, which means better penetration, but range of 9M119 or "Kombat" is 5000m, while LAHAT used by Arjun Mk2 have smaller warhead, that most likely have lesser penetration capability, but LAHAT have a range advantage up to 8000m.

Mobility here is a very interesting aspect. Both tanks have some solutions I like.

In case of Arjun, I think it was the overall best decision during design phase to choose hydrogas suspension system. Al Khalid on the other hand uses Ukrainian 6TD-2 diesel, which I really like, compact, with good HP level, reliable.

Thanks to Damian

so in this post, u were supposed to answer my querries right? u ended up quoting damian while he was praising alkhalid and criticizing arjun for most of his post. should i laugh or cry, i mean, what were u happy aabout? hydrogas suspension?

first, the pics u posted are from a mighty indian self proclaimed analyist ersakthivel, a man who has been made fun due to his inaccurate analysis (calling them analysis is a joke really) and these pics are absolute fantasies. The fornt cavity alone is so wrong, no the case with original arjun.

Rest of your post pretty much validate what i have been saying, apart of hydrogas suspension, there is nothing good about arjun as of now. An untrained eye may not see it, i guess you have that pair.

 

[GORKHALI]

so in this post, u were supposed to answer my querries right? u ended up quoting damian while he was praising alkhalid and criticizing arjun for most of his post. should i laugh or cry, i mean, what were u happy aabout? hydrogas suspension?

first, the pics u posted are from a mighty indian self proclaimed analyist ersakthivel, a man who has been made fun due to his inaccurate analysis (calling them analysis is a joke really) and these pics are absolute fantasies. The fornt cavity alone is so wrong, no the case with original arjun.

Rest of your post pretty much validate what i have been saying, apart of hydrogas suspension, there is nothing good about arjun as of now. An untrained eye may not see it, i guess you have that pair.

As i said,You will never see fine prints as you never going to accept that he actually compared AL kahlid to an Chinese copy of Upgraded T72 which is not yet tested unlike T72,but he actually shown the balance overview of tanks.At the end of the day,Arjun Mk2 is not yet finalized,All they are doing is,testing on MK1.While,a jingoistic no matter what always defends his country glory ,actually a chinese glory in this case.

 

[Omega007]

As i said,You will never see fine prints as you never going to accept that he actually compared AL kahlid to an Chinese copy of Upgraded T72 which is not yet tested unlike T72,but he actually shown the balance overview of tanks.At the end of the day,Arjun Mk2 is not yet finalized,All they are doing is,testing on MK1.While,a jingoistic no matter what always defends his country glory ,actually a chinese glory in this case.

Stop wasting your time on this shit.It's the same dazzler idiot from D F I who gets his arse owned all the time there due to his nonsense trash talks.

 

[GORKHALI]

Stop wasting your time on this shit.It's the same dazzler idiot from D F I who gets his arse owned all the time there due to his nonsense trash talks.

That's right mate.You must give the credit where its due,I always have the respect for Al Khalid,though its just a plane Chinese tank with Pakistan Green Paint and Ukrainian Engine but that doesn't make it invincible as it has gaps,a lot of gaps in protection,it still uses the T72 Auto loader which something PA should be worried about.Similarly Arjun Mk2 has gaps in protection too like why the placed Radar in Left side leaving tank Venerable.

 

[HariPrasad]

First, read this not in haste but slowly to get things in perspective, the Army is NOT ordering more Arjuns, but looking to fit these 248 odd in a fitting role. This does not happen to a supposedly frontline main battle tank, sorry.

Arjun tank outruns, outguns Russian T-90 | Business Standard News

as per the source, they are looking to pit it in a "defensive" role, in the desert area, this in itself shows a lack of confidence in Arjun. They are not pitting it in stike corps. Sigh

Your hint maybe on increased numbers right, so as you ask often, what is the source?? Must be your personal vendetta.

The results of the trials are still "officially" secret, poor media took it for victory. The fact is that Arjun struggled in atleast two trials (related to engine, failed twice, replaced in the field, passed trial and violla !!) but t-90 didnt. There is a reason why IA order for Arjun still stands at 248 odd pieces and going for more t-90s because they know which tank is more battle ready. The only department where Arjun performed well is situational awareness and fire control but isnt it well known already? What about firepower? which shells were used at what ranges? no news, because there is no good news to share.


the mk-II apfsds round length, maximum penetration values it can give is 270-300mm RHA at best ! Not even sufficient for side armour penetration, let alone frontal armour

Ever wonder why DRDO went from mk.1 to mk.2 without the tank being ordered in break even numbers (500 needed for a break even) ? Mk.1 has plenty of issues which were mostly rectified in mk.2. So you see, mk.2 is not a radical upgrade of mk.1, rather, it is arimed at "reducing" the weaknesses, short comings in mk.1 Now why on earth would IA order mk.1 when its issues are so many that it is not even funny? So here is Mk.2 with less issues, ok, what is mk.2? it is an Arjun with a whooping 60+ton weight with the same 1400hp engine that is slightly "torqued up" to overcome the T/W issue seen in mk.1, but at the expense of maximum speed, so here we have a tank with less speed than the first version, torque increment is needed to give it a higher immediate acceleration due to more weight added.

Not to mention the repeated over heating issue in desert after 100km is still there, yet to be addressed. Mk.2 has a FCS of French origin, Savan -15, same as used on Malay PT-91M, it is a good system, reliable so a good choice here. But what about all the optics scattered on the roof??

I mean optics all over the place. A cursory look at the tank roof gives a funny nod as it is hastily placed all over. I can virtually go on with stuff that makes virtually no sense at all.

Here is an image of how hastily things were just lumped over the roof, look at the RCWS, almost in the mid, inviting enemy to hit. A sight put at the back for some reason, clearly things just piled up in a hurry for a parade. Any armour guy will tell you that is not how you put RCWS and optics on an mbt, rather, you put it in bulk heads, akin to Alkhalid or Leopard or Challenger or Merkava or M1Axx, where these bulk heads contain AT LEAST two sights (daym night, TI), laser range finder, thermal imager etc.

I hope you got the point, if not, i will explain later.

Post is erroneous primarily on many counts. Arjun has a very powerful Gun and Armour.

Army not giving order is because of the fact that this order will take 3 to 4 years to be executed. Meanwhile Indian army may suggest new changes and possibly weight reduction by few tons. Even Indian air force order Apache just 30 in Number. Indian arm forces follow a policy of initially ordering the equipment in small number use it, test it and than increase the order with suitable changes.

 

[Omega007]

As i said,You will never see fine prints as you never going to accept that he actually compared AL kahlid to an Chinese copy of Upgraded T72 which is not yet tested unlike T72,but he actually shown the balance overview of tanks.At the end of the day,Arjun Mk2 is not yet finalized,All they are doing is,testing on MK1.While,a jingoistic no matter what always defends his country glory ,actually a chinese glory in this case.

Stop wasting your time on this shit.It's the same dazzler idiot from D F I who gets his arse owned all the time there due to his nonsense trash talks.

And @GORKHALI ,bro the GMS window is indeed a weak spot but such a grave one as it's made out to be.You see,the LOS thickness behind the GMS window is about 480-500 mm and not 380mm.Both Damian and Dejawolf made the same mistake while estimating the armor thickness because they based all their values on the Leopard 2A4.
The problem with this calculation is that while the LOS of frontal turret armor of the A4 is ~800mm at 0 degree from turret centerline axis,the same for Arjun MkI is ~950mm or so according to the measurements done by Kunal and Sayare in the Defexpo 14.

Now behind the GMS window,there is NO composite armor but a solid 480-500mm block of triple hardened steel-titanium alloy with a TE (thickness efficiency) of 1.6,meaning a 1 cm of that material would provide same level of protection as a 1.6 cm of RHA plate.So the actual protection value of the armor behind the GMS is pretty much comparable to the other sections of the front turret against FSAPDS penetrators (of course protection against shaped charge jets would be much lower).

Regarding the 120mm FSAPDS ammo,it was developed in the mid 80s and hasn't been changed ever since,of course it's inferior to the Naiza rounds.A quad segmented long rod FSAPDS penetrator is currently under development (presumably based on the Israeli M 338,but I don't know how true is that).

By the way,this thread is about Arjun MkII,I just don't understand why do people always have to bring in the Al Khalid into the discussion??To be fair,AK 1 is a mediocre tank with much more serious design drawbacks than Arjun.But that's not the topic of discussion here.

And lastly,I've noticed that the Indian members are generally much more quick and less adamant when it comes to accepting and criticising the design flaws of Indian made hardwares but same can not be told about our Pakistani counterparts.