Arguments of choosing JF-17 Thunder over JAS-39 Gripen

[Aslan]

Why only two planes ???

F18 out of the race ????

It would be better that you read the whole thing again and understand the purpose of the thread, it is not a this vs that. But instead to compare.

 

[WAQAS119]

And also, its not the physical specs that make the Gripen superior, but the avionics and electronics package. The current gripen, and the future Gripen NG will feature some of the best avionics in western world.

elaborate please! apart from your expert opinion we need few solid arguments.

 

[Tayyab1796]

JF 17 is the best because we can make it / it has provided us with inexpensive experience of making fighter aircrafts . Even F22 cannot come closer to JF17( in terms of the worth to us) unless we can make F22 ourself...INSHALLAH .

Gripen is a very good aircraft but how reliable have the European/american suppliers been ?...we all know

 

[Mani2020]

Here are configurations of both jets

JAS-39 Gripen

Jf-17

 

[WAQAS119]

^If their is a no big difference in their performance (atleast on paper) expect few composites and canard then big price tag of gripen should raise eye brows of many.

 

[Mani2020]

Both look pretty equal on paper but difficult to judge both of them as they never participated in any of recent exercises , It will be interesting to see them both in some kinda exercises


South Africa is getting Gripens and there are reports that Zimbabwe is looking to buy jf-17's as both countries have bit sour relations specially when it comes to defence , so it will be interesting to see them both one on one in some kinda exercise or atleast it will b good to see what analysts say about both these.


Anyway here is the main difference b/w current Jas Gripen and the new Gripen NG

 

[pakfighter]

What about the Hard points of gripen and jf-17 thunder. i mean which fighter carrie mor missiles or bombs?????


regards

 

[pak avatar]

NO contest.
JF-17 is the best choice.
JF-17 means we have the experience to make planes, which helps us during war time when we need more planes and cant rely on other countries. we can make as much as we want and how we want, plus we can then built new planes with this experience, it doesnt matter which is cheaper or which has better tech, PAF went for the JF so they could learn how to build there own planes.
plus PAF PR campaign wont work with Gripen

 

[WAQAS119]

NO contest.
JF-17 is the best choice.
JF-17 means we have the experience to make planes, which helps us during war time when we need more planes and cant rely on other countries. we can make as much as we want and how we want, plus we can then built new planes with this experience, it doesnt matter which is cheaper or which has better tech, PAF went for the JF so they could learn how to build there own planes.
plus PAF PR campaign wont work with Gripen

OK! gaining experience from JF17 etc etc is a different matter.
Just compare configurations of both jets here.

 

[Comet]

So, India will not go for Gripen ever since it doesn't make sense to spend so much just to buy a jet with similar functionality (at least on paper) to JF-17.

 

[sancho]

I expect that Saab had offered Gripen C/D not the A/B which specs were shown at the first page and the C/D would be the right version to compare to JF 17 block 1.

Weight is pretty much the same with 6,8t, but the RD 93 offers slightly more thrust compared to RM 12 (83kN vs 80kN). The RCS of the Gripen is very low and should be better than JF 17s, with more composites and RAM materials. It also has an slight advantage in radar, or avionics, but a bigger advantage on weapons (US weapons mainly).

However, JF 17 was clearly the better choice than the Gripen, because the advantages are not that high to justify that much cost difference and moreover the risk of sanctions. Not to mention that ToT would have been limited too and the a co-development with the Chinese gives much more for improv ements of the indigenous defense sector.
Even now it would not make sense to buy Gripen NG , because PAF can improve JF 17 with AESA and better engines too and could get J10Bs that could offer similar flight performance, or payload.

 

[sancho]

Here are configurations of both jets

Mani replace the Gripen NG graphic with this for the Jas Gripen configs:

http://www.offiziere.ch/blog-bilder/gripen_03.gif

 

[bc040400065]

My personal choice would be to opt for gripen instead of F16 and go for thunder as well.both gripen and thunder are really cheap when it comes to maintenance and also the "list of terms of use" that come with F16 is not realy pleasing.

 

[SBD-3]

NO contest.
JF-17 is the best choice.
JF-17 means we have the experience to make planes, which helps us during war time when we need more planes and cant rely on other countries. we can make as much as we want and how we want, plus we can then built new planes with this experience, it doesnt matter which is cheaper or which has better tech, PAF went for the JF so they could learn how to build there own planes.
plus PAF PR campaign wont work with Gripen

within given resources...its is indeed a wise decision by PAF to go for JF..btw you would know that PAF was negotiating for Grippen with ToT and Sweeds were ready with it but the sophisticated tech of Grippen could not be accommodated by PAF as rightly admitted by then ACM. But IMHO grippen has clear advantage in tech sophistication and Weapons capability (worth its price tag) but Thunder enjoys Cost leadership with medium-high tech backbone more than appropriate in 15 Mio tag

 

[Tempest II]

South Africa is getting Gripens and there are reports that Zimbabwe is looking to buy jf-17's as both countries have bit sour relations specially when it comes to defence , so it will be interesting to see them both one on one in some kinda exercise or atleast it will b good to see what analysts say about both these.

That is like saying the US and Iraq have sour defence relations while failing to appreciate there was a Saddam Iraq and a post-Saddam Iraq. At some point, before April 1994, that was true. There was a change of hands in South Africa and as of today, Zimbabwe Air Force instructors are training South African pilots in South Africa.

On the internet you tend to get more of the old guard from South Africa posting on forums and the rhetoric tends to be anti-Mugabe and anti-Zimbabwe. The truth is South Africa and Zimbabwe are very good neighbours besides what the mainstream press want you to believe.