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Are the Sinhalese people descendants of Bengali and Odiya sea merchants?

A history of the Indian Ocean suggests as much, citing genetic studies as well as legends.
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US State Department/Wikimedia Commons
Sanjeev Sanyal

The injection of Indian DNA into Australia around 2000 BC shows that people living on India’s eastern seaboard were capable of sailing long distances even before the Iron Age. Archaeologists have found remains of a possible river port at a place called Golbai Sasan in Odisha that dates back to 2300 BC. However, there is a distinct boom in coastal trade from around 800 BC. At the heart of this maritime boom was Kalinga (roughly modern Odisha) and the adjoining areas of West Bengal.

The remains of many ancient ports have been found all along the coast between the western-most mouth of the Ganga and Chilika lake. The river connected the sea ports to the kingdoms of the interior while the lake, which has an outlet to the sea, acted as a safe harbour. You will find bits of ancient pottery strewn everywhere if you walk along the banks of Chilika lake.

The Bengali-Odiya mariners were not capable of sailing directly across the Indian Ocean at this early stage. Instead, they would have hugged the shore and traded their way down the Andhra and Tamil coast. At some stage they seem to have sailed across to Sri Lanka and begun to settle there.

Genetic studies have confirmed that the island was already inhabited by the ancestors of the Vedda, a small tribe that has long been suspected of being the original inhabitants. They are probably descendants of people who had migrated here before the Great Flood separated them from the mainland. The new migrants from eastern India, however, would soon become the dominant population – the Sinhalese.

The Mahavamsa, an epic written in Pali, tells the founding myth of how the Sinhalese came to Sri Lanka. It is said that at the beginning of the sixth century BC, the king of Vanga (i.e., Bengal) had a beautiful daughter who was kidnapped by a powerful lion. He kept the princess prisoner in a cave and had a son and daughter by her. The son, Sinhabahu, grew up to be a strong lad. One day, when the lion was away, he broke open the cave-prison and escaped with his mother and sister. The lion followed in hot pursuit. Eventually, after several adventures, Sinhabahu faced his father and killed him.

Sinhabahu then established a kingdom and built a capital city Sinhapura which means Lion City (notice that this is derived from the same etymological roots as Singapore). Many years passed and Sinhabahu had a son called Vijaya who turned out to be a violent lout and a disgrace to the family. My guess is that he inherited that from the paternal grandfather. After hearing repeated complaints from his subjects, King Sinhabahu eventually decided to banish Vijaya and 700 of his supporters.

So, Vijaya sailed south and landed in Sri Lanka. There he faced some resistance from the locals, presumably the Vedda, led by a woman called Kuveni. However, Vijaya prevailed and established his kingdom. The Mahavamsa tells us that King Vijaya now gave up his earlier erratic behaviour and ruled responsibly for thirty-eight years. He also married a Tamil princess from the Pandya clan.

The legend of Prince Vijaya should not be taken literally; I have always harboured some doubts about the bit related to the lion kidnapping the princess. Nevertheless, the epic makes it clear that the Sinhalese retained a memory of their Bengali-Odiya origins when the Mahavamsa was composed and compiled almost a thousand years later.

The Sinhalese link to eastern India matches genetic, linguistic and cultural evidence and survives in many little ways. For example, the lion is an important symbol of the Sinhalese people; they are literally the Lion People. One finds this echoed in Odisha which remains a major centre for the worship of Narasimha (the god Vishnu as half-lion and half-man).

The town of Puri is famous for the temple of Jagannath, another form of Vishnu, but also has a very ancient temple to Narasimha and there are several rituals where the latter is given precedence to this day. Similarly, in Bengal, the goddess Durga is almost always depicted as riding a lion. In other words, the lion on the Sri Lanka flag and Durga’s lion share the same cultural origins.

The clinching evidence on the origins of the Sinhalese, however, comes from another custom. Robert Knox, an Englishman who spent many years in Sri Lanka in the seventeenth century, made the following observation: “In their infancy they have names whereby one may be called and distinguished from the other; but, when they come to years, it is an affront and shame to them, either men or women, to be called by those names.” Bengali and Odiya readers will know exactly what this means.

Excerpted with permission from The Ocean Of Churn: How The Indian Ocean Shaped Human History, Sanjeev Sanyal, Penguin Viking.

https://scroll.in/article/814562/ar...escendants-of-bengali-and-odiya-sea-merchants


@Godman @NGV-H @nair @Doyalbaba @UKBengali.. Anyone familiar with the custom the author mentions in the last paragraph ?
 
Are the Sinhalese people descendants of Bengali and Odiya sea merchants?

A history of the Indian Ocean suggests as much, citing genetic studies as well as legends.
39862-kbkpfnmbhe-1471763803.jpg

US State Department/Wikimedia Commons
Sanjeev Sanyal

The injection of Indian DNA into Australia around 2000 BC shows that people living on India’s eastern seaboard were capable of sailing long distances even before the Iron Age. Archaeologists have found remains of a possible river port at a place called Golbai Sasan in Odisha that dates back to 2300 BC. However, there is a distinct boom in coastal trade from around 800 BC. At the heart of this maritime boom was Kalinga (roughly modern Odisha) and the adjoining areas of West Bengal.

The remains of many ancient ports have been found all along the coast between the western-most mouth of the Ganga and Chilika lake. The river connected the sea ports to the kingdoms of the interior while the lake, which has an outlet to the sea, acted as a safe harbour. You will find bits of ancient pottery strewn everywhere if you walk along the banks of Chilika lake.

The Bengali-Odiya mariners were not capable of sailing directly across the Indian Ocean at this early stage. Instead, they would have hugged the shore and traded their way down the Andhra and Tamil coast. At some stage they seem to have sailed across to Sri Lanka and begun to settle there.

Genetic studies have confirmed that the island was already inhabited by the ancestors of the Vedda, a small tribe that has long been suspected of being the original inhabitants. They are probably descendants of people who had migrated here before the Great Flood separated them from the mainland. The new migrants from eastern India, however, would soon become the dominant population – the Sinhalese.

The Mahavamsa, an epic written in Pali, tells the founding myth of how the Sinhalese came to Sri Lanka. It is said that at the beginning of the sixth century BC, the king of Vanga (i.e., Bengal) had a beautiful daughter who was kidnapped by a powerful lion. He kept the princess prisoner in a cave and had a son and daughter by her. The son, Sinhabahu, grew up to be a strong lad. One day, when the lion was away, he broke open the cave-prison and escaped with his mother and sister. The lion followed in hot pursuit. Eventually, after several adventures, Sinhabahu faced his father and killed him.

Sinhabahu then established a kingdom and built a capital city Sinhapura which means Lion City (notice that this is derived from the same etymological roots as Singapore). Many years passed and Sinhabahu had a son called Vijaya who turned out to be a violent lout and a disgrace to the family. My guess is that he inherited that from the paternal grandfather. After hearing repeated complaints from his subjects, King Sinhabahu eventually decided to banish Vijaya and 700 of his supporters.

So, Vijaya sailed south and landed in Sri Lanka. There he faced some resistance from the locals, presumably the Vedda, led by a woman called Kuveni. However, Vijaya prevailed and established his kingdom. The Mahavamsa tells us that King Vijaya now gave up his earlier erratic behaviour and ruled responsibly for thirty-eight years. He also married a Tamil princess from the Pandya clan.

The legend of Prince Vijaya should not be taken literally; I have always harboured some doubts about the bit related to the lion kidnapping the princess. Nevertheless, the epic makes it clear that the Sinhalese retained a memory of their Bengali-Odiya origins when the Mahavamsa was composed and compiled almost a thousand years later.

The Sinhalese link to eastern India matches genetic, linguistic and cultural evidence and survives in many little ways. For example, the lion is an important symbol of the Sinhalese people; they are literally the Lion People. One finds this echoed in Odisha which remains a major centre for the worship of Narasimha (the god Vishnu as half-lion and half-man).

The town of Puri is famous for the temple of Jagannath, another form of Vishnu, but also has a very ancient temple to Narasimha and there are several rituals where the latter is given precedence to this day. Similarly, in Bengal, the goddess Durga is almost always depicted as riding a lion. In other words, the lion on the Sri Lanka flag and Durga’s lion share the same cultural origins.

The clinching evidence on the origins of the Sinhalese, however, comes from another custom. Robert Knox, an Englishman who spent many years in Sri Lanka in the seventeenth century, made the following observation: “In their infancy they have names whereby one may be called and distinguished from the other; but, when they come to years, it is an affront and shame to them, either men or women, to be called by those names.” Bengali and Odiya readers will know exactly what this means.

Excerpted with permission from The Ocean Of Churn: How The Indian Ocean Shaped Human History, Sanjeev Sanyal, Penguin Viking.

https://scroll.in/article/814562/ar...escendants-of-bengali-and-odiya-sea-merchants


@Godman @NGV-H @nair @Doyalbaba @UKBengali.. Anyone familiar with the custom the author mentions in the last paragraph ?
Not only Sinhalese but the entire south east Asia where the Hindu-Buddhist culture and religion now predominate was planted by the seafarer people from the region of Bengal.In ancient and middle ages, only the Bengal region had the significant sea faring tradition in the sub continent.So the Hindu-Buddhist culture and religion which are now called Indian cultural influence found in countries like Indonesia,Thailand,Cambodia,Vietnam, Myanmar had their origin in Bengal.

In the 13th century,Bengal was the last bastion of Buddhism.Buddhism survived in Eastern part of Bengal long after it obliterated from other sub continental region(except Sri Lanka). From here, Buddhist scholar went to various south and east Asian countries to preach the religion.Most famous of them was the Achraya Atish Dipankar who was born in Bikrampur region in current BD went to Tibet and Sumatra,revived Buddhism there and regarded as the most significant avatar of Buddha in Tibet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atiśa

Many people in south east Asia have their distant or recent past ancestors from current Bangladesh.I have read that,former Malaysian PM ,Mahathir Mohammed's recent past ancestor came from the region of current BD.There are millions like him in south east Asia.
@bluesky @TopCat @Bilal9 @UKBengali
 
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She was not myth , rana Rawal was very much in the annals of history and same time Allaudin Khilji ...she was very much real
Some say she was a myth. Don't know for sure. But the awareness about her existence in Sri Lanka is very minimal.
 
Anyway, there's a misconception I have noted in the OP's post.

Veddhas are actually the offshoots of the original ancient migrants to the Sri Lanka. The "Balangoda man" as he's called nowadays dates back almost 30,000 of years shows us that he lived with complex behavioral patterns that are completely alien to Veddha life style. Veddha's are generally wanderers in the jungle who lived as primitive hunter gatherers.

Moreover, it is recorded even in the Mahavansa that cultured tribes were living in the island when Vijaya arrived from India. It is quite possible that they might have been descended from the "Balangoda Man".

There fore it is safe to assume that Veddha's are not the only original inhabitants of the island.

@Gibbs @Godman

She was not myth , rana Rawal was very much in the annals of history and same time Allaudin Khilji ...she was very much real

There is no mention of her in any of the Sri Lankan sources. She might not had been a myth but her ancestry to Sri Lanka is highly doubtful.
 
Thats very much possible , she must be from some royal family dose Sinhla people live outside SriLanka during 13th century
Anyway, there's a misconception I have noted in the OP's post.

Veddhas are actually the offshoots of the original ancient migrants to the Sri Lanka. The "Balangoda man" as he's called nowadays dates back almost 30,000 of years shows us that he lived with complex behavioral patterns that are completely alien to Veddha life style. Veddha's are generally wanderers in the jungle who lived as primitive hunter gatherers.

Moreover, it is recorded even in the Mahavansa that cultured tribes were living in the island when Vijaya arrived from India. It is quite possible that they might have been descended from the "Balangoda Man".

There fore it is safe to assume that Veddha's are not the only original inhabitants of the island.

@Gibbs @Godman



There is no mention of her in any of the Sri Lankan sources. She might not had been a myth but her ancestry to Sri Lanka is highly doubtful.
 
Not sure about it , the Sinhla language has a lot of similarities with Oriya ... and Rani Padmini was Sinhla , who did johar when khilji attacked Chittor garh

till today she is the benchmark of beauty in India

http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/...d-top-most-beautiful-woman-in-indian-history/

Sinhala is indo aryan language so there's got to be similarities with others with the same origin, The article fails to mention that Sinhalese genetic admixture contains Gujarati as well.. Second and third waves of migration were believed to be from Western India

350px-Genetic_admixture_of_Sinhalese_by_Papiha.PNG


Any idea what the author of the article mean with the observations of Robert Knox regarding the names ?

Thats very much possible , she must be from some royal family dose Sinhla people live outside SriLanka during 13th century

Or for the simple reason that she was a more prominent figure in the subcontinent than Lanka where she was born, Since she was queen to a Maharaja

A Jacqueline Fernandez of the 13th century.. Who is also more prominent in India than in Sri Lanka
 
Just got her father's name :

Rani Padmini was the daughter of a Sinhala ruler Gandharvasen and plays a crucial role in the history of the gallant Rajput warriors. This queen was mentioned in the epic poem of ‘Padmavati’, which had been composed during 1540 CE, by Malik Muhammad Jayasi.


Sinhala is indo aryan language so there's got to be similarities with others with the same origin, The article fails to mention that Sinhalese genetic admixture contains Gujarati as well.. Second and third waves of migration were believed to be from Western India

350px-Genetic_admixture_of_Sinhalese_by_Papiha.PNG


Any idea what the author of the article mean with the observations of Robert Knox regarding the names ?



Or for the simple reason that she was a more prominent figure in the subcontinent than Lanka where she was born, Since she was queen to a Maharaja

A Jacqueline Fernandez of the 13th century.. Who is also more prominent in India than in Sri Lanka
 
Just got her father's name :

Rani Padmini was the daughter of a Sinhala ruler Gandharvasen and plays a crucial role in the history of the gallant Rajput warriors. This queen was mentioned in the epic poem of ‘Padmavati’, which had been composed during 1540 CE, by Malik Muhammad Jayasi.

Cool.. Any good links to sources about this historical figure ? Tks in advance
 
I will find out and share with you ...but she was a lion heat female jumping in a pyre of fire just to burn the body so that the Khilji cant even touch the dead Padmini .... I will share a link of poem written on Padmini :)
@Levina and @Nilgiri , its a nice thread
Cool.. Any good links to sources about this historical figure ? Tks in advance
 
Thats very much possible , she must be from some royal family dose Sinhla people live outside SriLanka during 13th century

Yeah it is possible that Sri Lankan people lived outside the island during the 13th century. But, if she was such a beauty then it should have been noted in Sri Lankan sources.
 
Beauty depends on the eye of beholder , may be you have more beautiful faces than her .... actually she was more famous due to johar and whole state fought for her against Khilji ....... why you think we dislike muslims ;)

What you think was the reason behind Johar and sati in India

Yeah it is possible that Sri Lankan people lived outside the island during the 13th century. But, if she was such a beauty then it should have been noted in Sri Lankan sources.
 
Not only Sinhalese but the entire south east Asia where the Hindu-Buddhist culture and religion now predominate was planted by the seafarer people from the region of Bengal.In ancient and middle ages, only the Bengal region had the significant sea faring tradition in the sub continent.So the Hindu-Buddhist culture and religion which are now called Indian cultural influence found in countries like Indonesia,Thailand,Cambodia,Vietnam, Myanmar had their origin in Bengal.

Lol. So the temples in those countries had Bengali architecture then?
 
Lol. So the temples in those countries had Bengali architecture then?
Most of the famous monument currently stood there erected after 13th century which shows the influence of south Indian Chola kingdom.But by then Hindu/Buddhist culture was dominant there for at least one thousand years.The traders,preachers as well as many local king who had lineage from the sub continent had their roots in present Bengal region both before and after Chola period.The maritime/river voyage since before the Common era usually started from the southern and eastern part of Bengal and and ended in various part of south east Asia.This was the route of dissemination of Hindu/Buddhist culture in SE Asia.After 1000AD Chola influence enriched that region in art and architecture.It can be compare to Mughal Influence in Indian art and architecture in already Islamic northern India.
 
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