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Are Russia and China poised to forge an alliance?
Danil Bochkov
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A container is lifted by a gantry crane at Suifenhe Railway Port in Suifenhe, an important Chinese port for trade with Russia, northeast China's Heilongjiang Province, Oct. 28, 2020. /Xinhua
Editor's note: Danil Bochkov is an expert at the Russian International Affairs Council. He received master of economics cum laude at MGIMO-University under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia and master of world economy from the University of International Business and Economics in China. The article reflects the author's opinions and not necessarily the views of CGTN.
In October, Vladimir Putin participating at Valdai Discussion Club forum raised the possibility of forging a military alliance between Russia and China. He stressed that it is a theoretical thinking with no urgent need for it now. Still such an assumption raised for the first time since Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance collapsed in 1979 resonated tremendously around the world hitting top headlines.
The timing for such remarks should come as no surprise. Russia and China have already found their relations with the West at the lowest ebb, since the U.S. and EU united efforts to target both countries with economic restrictions and diplomatic alienation. However, China toed a very cautious line responding to Russian President's ideations – apparently seeking to avoid further escalation of already disrupted relations with the West.
Beijing stressed, "there is no limit to the traditional China-Russia friendship", but mutual military obligations are not necessary. China recognizes Russian concerns but is not keen on altering the well-balanced Moscow-Beijing bilateral cooperation model – when both states promote deep trust and vibrant collaboration on multitudinous issues while giving each other space to build-up relations with other partners.
It is noteworthy that Russia has changed how it addresses China following the full-fledged disengagement with the West on all major issues. If it has been a long-time practice to call Beijing a "partner" or a "friend" – in their recent remarks high-profile officials from the Kremlin opted for a rather strong word – "ally".
Russian President's Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov on November 24 welcomed China's successful launch of a new "Chang'e-5" lunar exploration mission with congratulatory remarks to "our ally, our Chinese comrades". Earlier in July, Peskov commenting on Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's proposition to establish anti-China block of democratic countries also referred to China as an "ally" with whom Moscow enjoys "special partnership". The first time when China was called an ally happened in 2018 amid the Russia-China joint military drills of "Vostok-2018".
China has always described the special nature of bilateral relations with Russia as "standing back to back". During the recent phone call with his Russian counterpart, China's Foreign minister Wang Yi stressed that Moscow and Beijing serves as "global stabilizers" contributing to mitigation of regional disputes. It is exemplified by Russian-Chinese coordination and joint criticism of Western countries' unilateral actions in Syria.
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Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi (L) and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, September 11, 2020. /Chinese Foreign Ministry
Russia does not anticipate any improvements of relations with the U.S. under new U.S. administration since American political elite has reached the consensus about Russian threat. Despite Russian diplomatic efforts to prove its commitment to global peace, the West has an opposite interpretation. No substantial breakthrough for Russia-EU dealings concerning Ukraine has ever been achieved with Kiev pushing on its cooperation with NATO.
Russia has failed to prevent arms control mechanism from falling apart, with the only remaining hope for the new U.S. administration to restrain itself from putting the final nail in the coffin of New START nuclear arms treaty. This fall's political turmoil in Russian brotherhood state – Belarus – also calls into question the limits and trustworthiness of their alliance since Belarusian President suspected Moscow of masterminding a coup plot.
The world has become more contentious and polarized with global powers striving for finding like-minded partners to withstand accumulating external pressure. The U.S. and EU sanctions have been contributing to Russia-China expanding entente. Now Moscow and Beijing are featured in all the major American and European strategy-planning papers. A range of issues such as the growing tensions in South China Sea, and the key role of Ukraine in Biden's foreign policy drafting – have spurred Russia and China to seek to hedge risks and deepen their partnership networks.
China is well aware of the challenges presented by bellicose U.S. foreign policy. New national development plan for 2035 outlines China's intention to build "fully modern army" by 2027.
For a long time EU concentrated on Russia and avoided depicting China as a threat. New NATO report published on December 2 has changed the pattern. Now China is believed to "undermine allies' security". Since the report focuses on longer-term planning period of 10 years, one may expect that China and Russia now occupy not only American military radar but also most of the EU countries' as well.
However, the likelihood of military block between Russia and China is still very low. For Russia – feeling globally besieged – it is a sign of political support from one of the influential great powers, but for China it is not that critical.
Beijing already gets advanced military technology (Russia accounted for 70% of Chinese arms imports in 2014-2018), participates in military drills on Russian territory and jointly develop early warning missiles system. China has already formed deep-trust state of security relations with Russia, seeing no practical need to formalize it further.
(If you want to contribute and have specific expertise, please contact us at opinions@cgtn.com.)

West Greatest fear is a pact between Russia-China-Iran-Pakistan and friends.
 
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Officially there's none, at least nothing on paper. Under the table there's a consensus that we are very much aligned in most important geopolitics and military affairs. Better believe it, as Bush would label China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba axis of evil.
 
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Where is the threat? Biden caved to China in East Asia. Previous administrations already caved to Russia on Ukraine and Syria. China and Russia can speak as one voice but there isn't an imminent need for a military alliance.
 
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Where is the threat? Biden caved to China in East Asia. Previous administrations already caved to Russia on Ukraine and Syria. China and Russia can speak as one voice but there isn't an imminent need for a military alliance.
If there is no threat then why is CHina's military building up like crazy? pls be practical. cheers.
 
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I don't see this happening due to the fact that Russia is hopeful of gaining leadership over the EU without fighting by making better diplomatic ties and slowly russify EU and become the new USA for the EU by replacing the Americans and taking their position.

Which means Russia has always seen itself part of the western society despite being the rejected kid but they still see themselves part of that society and if Navalny ever comes to power this goal will be realized.

Which means Russia is hopeful of EU-Russia marriage or hoping for that to happen which means Russia is not interest of becoming what the western media like to claim as the ''Axis of evil'' but it wants to be part of that world.

Also Russia doesn't want to enter in an defense alliance where it plays second fiddle to someone because China would dominate Russia in such an alliance pact since China is stronger then Russia.

These two stumbling block is to large of a hurdle for Russia to ever accept it mainwhile China doesn't mind the alliance since it would mean they get to dominate Russia and come under it's influence
 
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Actually its the other way around. Russians have been asking and obsessing over china to enter into alliance but china keeps saying no.

I don't see this happening due to the fact that Russia is hopeful of gaining leadership over the EU without fighting by making better diplomatic ties and slowly russify EU and become the new USA for the EU by replacing the Americans and taking their position.

Which means Russia has always seen itself part of the western society despite being the rejected kid but they still see themselves part of that society and if Navalny ever comes to power this goal will be realized.

Which means Russia is hopeful of EU-Russia marriage or hoping for that to happen which means Russia is not interest of becoming what the western media like to claim as the ''Axis of evil'' but it wants to be part of that world.

Also Russia doesn't want to enter in an defense alliance where it plays second fiddle to someone because China would dominate Russia in such an alliance pact since China is stronger then Russia.

These two stumbling back is to large of a hurdle for Russia to ever accept it mainwhile China doesn't mind the alliance since it would mean they get to dominate Russia and come under it's influence
 
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Actually its the other way around. Russians have been asking and obsessing over china to enter into alliance but china keeps saying no.


I just think these are diplomatic flirting but in reality both didn't sign defensive treaty pact. Russia's European self-identity is strong and they see themselves in Europe just like Putin said recently.

If push were ever to come to shove Russia will not stand with China they will most likely accept neutrality because China is so close to them and can overrun them.. It would be neutrality out of self-safety but otherwise they would have intervened against China if China was not such a security threat due to concern of huge territorial annexation they will accept neutrality due to these reasons
 
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If there is no threat then why is CHina's military building up like crazy? pls be practical. cheers.
China's military build up is for maintaining peace in East Asia. We need to make sure countries like India, Japan and Vietnam don't get aggressive. Taiwan is on the timetable for reunification by force in a few years. We don't need Russia's help in East Asia. The Biden administration already abandoned their East Asian allies to China so we're good to go.
 
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If there is no threat then why is CHina's military building up like crazy? pls be practical. cheers.

This truly cracked me up bro and no offense this is probably the most silly comment I ever came across.

To get your answer fully and ironically you will find your question answered fully in this trailer from ''World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria'' + It also comes with some great philosophical quotes to ponder over.


Also asking an imperialist why you seek world domination would be equal to asking a predator why you eat meat
 
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Like crazy? China spends a measley 2 percent of gdp
This is not hte truth, this is the lie the CHinese govt tells, and many govts do this, they underestate their TRUE military spending. CHina's yearly rationalized, contextualized, military spending is more in the $130- $180bn range. We are not fools here, we know what is happening on the ground.
 
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This is not hte truth, this is the lie the CHinese govt tells, and many govts do this, they underestate their TRUE military spending. CHina's yearly rationalized, contextualized, military spending is more in the $130- $180bn range. We are not fools here, we know what is happening on the ground.
And you consider China is a threat to America? In what way? Military threat? China planning an invasion of America?
 
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This truly cracked me up bro and no offense this is probably the most silly comment I ever came across.
it "cracked" you up because you either dont understand it, or cant accept the truth.

To get your answer fully and ironically you will find your question answered fully in this trailer from ''World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria'' + It also comes with some great philosophical quotes to ponder over.
LMAO- you're just projecting your psychotic off state..lmao...i am actually laughing at how my post is related to this fantasy bs you THINK explains how ridiculous you think y post is. i am winning, thanks.


Also asking an imperialist why you seek world domination would be equal to asking a predator why you eat meat
This doesnt make any sense, can you translate pls?
And you consider China is a threat to America? In what way? Military threat? China planning an invasion of America?
China and America are both friends AND enemies to each other, IMO. you think China has to invade to be a threat to US?
 
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it "cracked" you up because you either dont understand it, or cant accept the truth.


LMAO- you're just projecting your psychotic off state..lmao...i am actually laughing at how my post is related to this fantasy bs you THINK explains how ridiculous you think y post is. i am winning, thanks.


This doesnt make any sense, can you translate pls?

China and America are both friends AND enemies to each other, IMO. you think China has to invade to be a threat to US?
both friends and enemies?
 
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China and America are both friends AND enemies to each other, IMO. you think China has to invade to be a threat to US?

Why do you think someone is building up to this extent if he doesn't want to exit his cave at some point down the road or in the long term future? The world has existed for a long time and all of this is just history repeating itself. Someone increasing strength to claim no.1 supremacy it is just circle of life.

Empires rise and fall all the time some replace others
 
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