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Are Pashtuns descendents of lost tribes of Israel?

German? French? Are you sure you're not talking to some mixed-race kids?

Aryan I heard, but even Persians believe they are Aryan..hell even indians believe they are Aryan :cheesy:
I have read some where that hitlar and other europeans picked aryan concept from india. People of iran, afghanistan and indo-pak are perhaps genuinely related to aryan people of central asia but europeans have corrupted this term by connecting it with a superior race notion of blue eyes, blonde haires...the term aryan sounds stupid thanks to its racist use by nordic people of europe who are perhaps nothing to do with iranis and indians.
 
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i dont know how you equate khan to pashtun? and by the way it is either pashtun or pakhtun, not pathan.
I did'nt understand his pure pathan or khan theory. Biologically humans are not pure.
Also i understan why he use pathan for himself, he belongs to area where people claim to be of pashtun origin but speak seraiki. They are called punjabi-pathans, one of famous niazi is imran khan.
 
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A research done of Pastuns showed them to be decendents of Slavs, Turks, Mongols and Caucasians!
 
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Here is an actual study on the ethnic groups of Pakistan and other populations throughout the world. Balochis, Pashtuns, Punjabis, Kashmiris and Sindhis for the most part are genetically very similar.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Rosenberg2007.png

I'd love to heard Roadrunner's opinions and thoughts though. Especially because he has stated before that the Punjabis of West Punjab are ethnically different than their counterparts in East Punjab. I could of sworn thousands of Punjabis lived on opposite sides of the border pre-partition.

He also likes to state people are more dravidian or aryan depending on their ethnic groups. That's great scientific language there.

Finally, in regards to the topic, Pashtuns are not the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel. They are native to central/southeast Afghanistan and west/northwest Pakistan.

I'd like to add, based off the majority of the posts in this thread, most members don't have the slightest clue about genetics. I'm not an expert geneticist either but I do my research before making ridiculous claims.

Here is another decent website for some info regarding South/Central Asian genetics.

http://www.harappadna.org/

So, anyways, how is this relevant to current events and social issues?
 
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Here is an actual study on the ethnic groups of Pakistan and other populations throughout the world. Balochis, Pashtuns, Punjabis, Kashmiris and Sindhis for the most part are genetically very similar.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Rosenberg2007.png

I've been looking for the article that appears in. It's not easy to find and it looks as though someone has edited that. Could you post the link for it? (the original)

Let's assume it is accurate though. Since you have a clue about genetics, i'm sure you can explain it fairly easily. You do realize it doesn't mean what you think it means?

I'd love to heard Roadrunner's opinions and thoughts though. Especially because he has stated before that the Punjabis of West Punjab are ethnically different than their counterparts in East Punjab. I could of sworn thousands of Punjabis lived on opposite sides of the border pre-partition.

I'd also love to know where I said this. Post me a link to where I said this?

He also likes to state people are more dravidian or aryan depending on their ethnic groups. That's great scientific language there.

He does, does he? Can you post a link where he said that people are more Aryan or Dravidian depending on ethnic group?

Ethnic group and race are two totally different things. You only have to look at India which speaks what they call Indo-Aryan to know that the spread of language and ethnic group had nothing to do with racial ethnicity.

Also, based off the majority of the posts in this thread, most members don't have the slightest clue about genetics. I'm not an expert geneticist either but I do my research before making ridiculous claims.

The posts are fairly inaccurate and stupid. And so is yours.

Here is another decent website for some info regarding South/Central Asian genetics.

Harappa Ancestry Project - Genetics and South Asia

No doubts because it concurs with your point of view.
 
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Have you heard of the Nazi supporting Mullah of Palestine ?

It is actually the other way round. The grand Mufti of Palestine was a big supporter of Hitler and lived in Berlin during the height of Nazi power. This was long before the problem in the middle east.

785px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1987-004-09A%2C_Amin_al_Husseini_und_Adolf_Hitler.jpg
 
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Such rubbish.

The equivalent of the mufti of palestine supporting hitler would have been bose's support (or seeking support of) hitler and the japanese.

Truth and posts by Indians seem to be alien to each other.
 
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Regarding the Aryan theory, it goes quite a long way. Iran named itself after the word Aryan, so did Syria and many other nations. The reason why the names differ is because of different pronunciations. On the other hand many have claimed that the concept of the "Aryan Race" is a corrupt concept, meaning the meaning has been politicized. They believe Arya mean someone with noble understanding, but not a specific race. In any case, this is a very interesting concept.

Some stuff from wikipedia

As an adaptation of Latin Arianus referring to Ariana, 'Arian' has "long been in English language use".[11] Its history as a loan word began in the late 18th century, when the word was borrowed from Sanskrit ārya[1] to refer to speakers of North Indian languages.[11] When it was determined that Iranian languages — both living and ancient — used a similar term in much the same way (but in the Iranian context as a self-identifier of Iranian peoples), it became apparent that the shared meaning had to derive from the ancestor language of the shared past, and so, by the early 19th century, the word 'Aryan' came to refer to the group of languages deriving from that ancestor language, and by extension, the speakers of those languages.[12]

Then, in the 1830s, partly based on the theory (now regarded as erroneous) that words like "Aryan" could also be found in European languages (such as the idea that "Éire" derived from "Aryan"), the term "Aryan" came to be used as the term for the Indo-European language group, and by extension, the original speakers of those languages. In the 19th century, "language" was considered a property of "ethnicity", and thus the speakers of the Indo-European languages came to be called the "Aryan race", as contradistinguished from what came to be called the "Semitic race". By the late 19th century, among some people, the notions of an "Aryan race" became closely linked to Nordicism, which posited Northern European racial superiority over all other peoples (including Indians and Iranians). This "master race" ideal engendered both the "Aryanization" programs of Nazi Germany, in which the classification of people as "Aryan" and "non-Aryan" was most emphatically directed towards the exclusion of Jews.[13][n 2] By the end of World War II, the word 'Aryan' had become associated by many with the racial theories and atrocities committed by the Nazi regime.

In colloquial modern English it is often used to signify the Nordic racial ideal promoted by the Nazis. As the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language states at the beginning of its definition, "Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany, originally referred to a people who looked vastly different. Its history starts with the ancient Indo-Iranians, peoples who inhabited parts of what are now Iran, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh."[9][14]
In Iranian context the original self-identifier lives on in ethnic names like "Alani", "Ir".[15] Similarly,
The word Iran is the Persian word for land/place of the Aryan[16](see also Iranian peoples). In present-day academia, the terms "Indo-Iranian" and "Indo-European" have, according to many, made most uses of the term 'Aryan' obsolete, and 'Aryan' is now mostly limited to its appearance in the term "Indo-Aryan" to represent (speakers of) North, West and Central Indian languages. Notions of an "Aryan race" defined as being composed of those of the Western or European branch of the Indo-European peoples is used in the context of fascist nationalism, an ideology of nationhood defined by ancestry.

In present-day India, the original ethno-linguistic signifier has been less emphasized, the denotation having been semantically supplemented by other, secondary, meanings—the term is widely used in India in the names of business enterprises.[17][18]

The word Aryan is derived from the sanskrit word arya. You would be surprised to know that most of the ancient languages, such as Sanskrit, Latin, Arabic, Hebrew, and other ancient Persian langueages have stunning similarity indicating that these may have originated from a "mother tongue" and these languages may just be different dialects.

But one thing is for certain... Iran and South Asia had a lot of history together.
 
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It is actually the other way round. The grand Mufti of Palestine was a big supporter of Hitler and lived in Berlin during the height of Nazi power. This was long before the problem in the middle east.

785px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1987-004-09A%2C_Amin_al_Husseini_und_Adolf_Hitler.jpg
Does he even look like a Mufti...???
He looks like an undercover agent to me.....:smokin:
 
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Regarding the Aryan theory, it goes quite a long way. Iran named itself after the word Aryan, so did Syria and many other nations. The reason why the names differ is because of different pronunciations. On the other hand many have claimed that the concept of the "Aryan Race" is a corrupt concept, meaning the meaning has been politicized. They believe Arya mean someone with noble understanding, but not a specific race. In any case, this is a very interesting concept.

Some stuff from wikipedia



The word Aryan is derived from the sanskrit word arya. You would be surprised to know that most of the ancient languages, such as Sanskrit, Latin, Arabic, Hebrew, and other ancient Persian langueages have stunning similarity indicating that these may have originated from a "mother tongue" and these languages may just be different dialects.

But one thing is for certain... Iran and South Asia had a lot of history together.

Sanskrit has whatsoever no connection with Arabic, Hebrew or other Semitic languages.
 
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Sanskrit has whatsoever no connection with Arabic, Hebrew or other Semitic languages.

Just a tip of the iceberg The Sanskrit Connection: Keeping Up With the Joneses

"father"

pitar (Sanskrit)
pater (Latin)
pater (Greek)
padre (Spanish)
pere (French)
father (English)
fadar (Gothic)
fa∂ir (Old Norse)
vader (German)
athir (Old Irish--with loss of original consonant)

"brother"

bhratar (Sanskrit)
frater (Latin)
phrater (Greek)
frere (French)
brother (Modern English)
brothor (Saxon)
bruder (German)
broeder (Dutch)
bratu (Old Slavic)
brathair (Old Irish)

Sanskrit is the oldest of the so-called Indo-European languages. There is no question that it is older than Greek, or Latin, or even Linear B, though some still suggest all these languages were derived from an as yet discovered proto-Indo-European language. Be that as it may, it should not be surprising that a number of words in everyday use actually have a Sanskrit derivation. For instance, did any of you notice that the anti-impotence pill Viagra, is very similar to the Sanskrit word Vyagraha which means tiger? I don’t think this is a coincidence. So I thought it might be interesting to build up a comparative list of words in Sanskrit and their equivalents in various other languages. I know such a list must exist on the internet somewhere, but I searched and just didn’t find it. But I’ve gathered a small list together, and figured it might be fun to build up a large list. Here is what I have put together thus far:

Sanskrit: Vid- to find, comprehend, know; Vidya – knowledge, learning; Veda – sacred knowledge
Latin: Videre – to see
Italian: Vedere – to see
Spanish: Ver – to see
French: Voir – to see
Russian: Videt – to see

Sanskrit: Dash – ten
Greek: Deka – ten
Latin: Decem – ten

Sanskrit: Pita – father
Greek: Patir – father
Latin: Pater – father

Sanskrit: Dant – tooth
Latin: Dent – tooth
Greek: Odont –tooth

Sanskrit: Pad- foot
Latin: Ped – foot
Greek: Pod – foot

Sanskrit: Sanah – senile
Latin: Senex – senile

I know this list is a bit meager, but if you have any others please contribute. I’m going to keep researching this a bit further. I know when I studied Russian in college my professor said that it was heavily influenced by Sanskrit and at the time I made note of various similarities. Sorry, Kailasa its been too many years for me to communicate with you in Russian . Please feel free to add to this list.

Gauracandra

Similarity between Sanskrit and other languages
 
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Just a tip of the iceberg The Sanskrit Connection: Keeping Up With the Joneses

"father"

pitar (Sanskrit)
pater (Latin)
pater (Greek)
padre (Spanish)
pere (French)
father (English)
fadar (Gothic)
fa∂ir (Old Norse)
vader (German)
athir (Old Irish--with loss of original consonant)

"brother"

bhratar (Sanskrit)
frater (Latin)
phrater (Greek)
frere (French)
brother (Modern English)
brothor (Saxon)
bruder (German)
broeder (Dutch)
bratu (Old Slavic)
brathair (Old Irish)



Similarity between Sanskrit and other languages

All the languages above are Indo-European or Indo-European loanwords to Romance languages, nowhere does it mention any Semitic language.
 
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I've been looking for the article that appears in. It's not easy to find and it looks as though someone has edited that. Could you post the link for it? (the original)

Let's assume it is accurate though. Since you have a clue about genetics, i'm sure you can explain it fairly easily. You do realize it doesn't mean what you think it means?

Here is the closest thing I can find to an original source. PLoS Genetics: Clines, Clusters, and the Effect of Study Design on the Inference of Human Population Structure

I have said I have more knowledge than the majority of members here. I clearly stated I'm not expert but since you claim that the genetic cluster I presented doesn't confirm the populations share similar genetics, kindly tell me why. I've seen that chart on numerous genetic forums and no one has said otherwise.


I'd also love to know where I said this. Post me a link to where I said this?

I'll find the thread if I can be bothered. It was on this forum though. I was browsing some old thread for whatever reason.


He does, does he? Can you post a link where he said that people are more Aryan or Dravidian depending on ethnic group?

In the same thread you mentioned West Punjabis are different than East Punjabis, you stated Pashtuns are less dravidian, Punjabis are more dravidian, etc. Since Pashtuns, Punjabis, Sindhis are ethnic groups, this would prove my point. I'll have to find the thread though since you clearly seem to deny this.

Ethnic group and race are two totally different things. You only have to look at India which speaks what they call Indo-Aryan to know that the spread of language and ethnic group had nothing to do with racial ethnicity.

When did I say otherwise? I personally don't believe in race but do recognize there are genetic similarities and differences between different ethnic groups. That's why I browse genetic forums and do not post on them. Also, your right for the most part about language groups and ethnicity having to do very little with one another. Pashtuns and Persians both speak Indo-Iranian languages yet Pashutns and genetically closer to other populations which speak Indo-Aryan languages like Punjabis and Kashmiris.


The posts are fairly inaccurate and stupid. And so is yours.

That's great that you believe that. I could say the same about 98% of what you post.


No doubts because it concurs with your point of view.

What is my point of view exactly? That neighboring populations have genetic relation to one another? How stupid of me to think so?
 
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