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Are Pakistanis far sighted?

We picked the same language as them,

@Imad.Khan was right, we should have picked Dari as national language šŸ˜
What would you realistically gain with more linguistic ties with the iranic world? Expect for the sole reason of killing any links with indo sphere.
 
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I would insist that WE should try to be Humble and not fall in Hubris.
Exactly! I dont understand why are we trying to portray ourselves as some sort of over achievers and falling right into the Indian narrative that they are trying to build?
Do we really want to feel the heat because rest assured it will come and believe me as much as i want to tell the world Hell yeah! realistically speaking we are not in a position to do so.
 
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Let me answer you in simple terms biggest issue is the society itself not politicians, not military as everyone comes from the same society, Unless People actually wanna change themselves nothing will happen.
Its Corrupt and rotten at its core, the more i look into our societies the scared i get, as older civilization were destroyed for lot less they usually had one big problem we have all, only thing is saving us is Prayers of our prophet and love of Allah for our prophet.( P.B.U.H)

I can promise you this majority of these schemes are not ISI's or Pakistani deep states scheme they have none
its Allahs will forcing some benefit for his people, we have abandoned Allah but he hasnt abandoned us, so even with everything going against us You See some Khayr for muslims.
A friend of mine has put it nicely: Juā€™ma to Juā€™maā€¦.

In one Juā€™ma Namaz some Dua get accepted, so the folks last till the next Juā€™ma to repeat the cycleā€¦..
 
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May be Ghazala Wahab wants to go on a Pak sponsored Holiday to GB, Pakistan with her boss and partner field marshal Praveen Shaney.
 
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Being successful in its long term goal of securing the western border for security and trade doesnā€™t make a nation ā€œfar-sightedā€.
If anything, Pakistanis and the leadership they select/elect/accept is probably one of the most myopic in the world along with having severe cataracts to go along with it.
 
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What would you realistically gain with more linguistic ties with the iranic world? Expect for the sole reason of killing any links with indo sphere.
Indians stupidly haven't used thier soft power properly, language connection is the biggest weapon they have and are using it to some extent but its still not perfected yet - If I come in the Indian shoes, y'all aren't using it correctly

But as a Pakistani I know when indians fully recognize the soft power they have, they can win without a fight

This is what looking westwards does, protect you, differentiate you for the long term of the country

But no need to worry it's a a fringe idea, peddeled by mostly Pashtun population (who I happen to agree with but they haven't properly presented it to the nation)

It's fringe cause A-, it's hard to change and achieve B- powers to be haven't recognized the dangers of this fault line
 
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Indians stupidly haven't used thier soft power properly, language connection is the biggest weapon they have and are using it to some extent but its still not perfected yet - If I come in the Indian shoes, y'all aren't using it correctly

But as a Pakistani I know when indians fully recognize the soft power they have, they can win without a fight

This is what looking westwards does, protect you, differentiate you for the long term of the country

But no need to worry it's a a fringe idea, peddeled by mostly Pashtun population (who I happen to agree with but they haven't properly presented it to the nation)

It's fringe cause A-, it's hard to change and achieve B- powers to be haven't recognized the dangers of this fault line
The only problem Indians have with Pakistanis are wrt Kashmir. Solve that and we will never need to use the soft power you are talking of for aggression. Then the linguistic ties turns to a pro than a con,a way to better trade and relations that will benefit entire south asia.
 
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Being successful in its long term goal of securing the western border for security and trade doesnā€™t make a nation ā€œfar-sightedā€.
If anything, Pakistanis and the leadership they select/elect/accept is probably one of the most myopic in the world along with having severe cataracts to go along with it.


It is not even the borders. A far-sighted nation would have built several dams for storing water that it direly needs today, decades in the past already.
 
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Our Generals, politicians etc come from the same stock i.e. the Pakistani population. Now, I have not lived in Pakistan but living outside and working with a range of people, including Indians, I have made some very key observations.

As individuals or as a nation, we often look at the end state first and what needs to be achieved. This is a plus but the flip side is, we immediately become defeated and fill ourselves up with pessimism, at least in the immediate term. We then try to fill others with pessimism and speak of doom and gloom that this long-term goal can not be achieved. If we have a choice, we would take the easy way out. However, once we realise there is no other option and this is the only that is the only time we settle in, still with our pessimism, and get to work and progress. Naturally, no path is without hurdles and obstacles, and we keep pointing out how bad of an idea this end state is and how we are now facing these new problems. But we keep working and solving the problem slowly and progressively and try to deflect the problems onto others. We keep labouring towards the end state. On the outside, people see us as quiet, secretive not because this is who we are but because we don't believe in what we do and doubt if we can accomplish it. So, when it does happen and we do achieve the end state, we become amazed at our achievement and start congratulating ourselves and the outside world is bewildered because they see a failing nation that just has achieved the unexpected at times even when the experts believe the end state is against all odds for the Pakistani people. We indirectly sell that perception either knowingly or unknowingly.

In contrast, the Indians simply jump in with short term goals, living day to day, hour to hour. You can't really blame them, it is a country of at least a billion people who are struggling to make ends meet and so it is the survival of the fittest. They would jump in, try to win even if they have to be dirt cheap (I see quotes from US and Indian companies and the price difference is often breathtaking). However, once they win (early victory), they don't usually have a strategy as to what to do with that with the exception of a primal view of things. This is why so many of their projects struggle because they don't have the far sight of the resources they need to deliver and because they have performed so much of cost cutting right inception, they struggle to get resources. They focus on the early victories and don't have much contingency planning. But they make up for that shortfall by having a massive talent pool that is cheap and willing to do it at very cheap rates. But then they trip themselves by taking massive shortcuts such that the end result is a poorly designed and barely functioning outcome.

Now, we can see that in the regional politics too. Let us take the War in Afghanistan, right from day one in 2001, we knew that the Americans would have to leave one day. That was the end state. However, we were already pessimists and saw that with the arrival of the US and further warming up to India, we saw this to be a losing game and came close to accepting that fact. However, we continued to work in the background, continued to accept losses, continued to take casualties because all the while we were aware of the end state. During this time, the whole world went against us, we had no where to go but we worked out our options the best we could and changed the geopolitics silently. During this time, we continued to throw our pessimism onto the overly optimistic US by making them second guess their goals and objectives in the region. I guess, eventually, this may have been a contributing factor due to which the US finally accepted to leave the region and the recent events are now seen as a bewildering achievement. We feel this sense of being vindicated that we were a failed state but we came out on top.

During this period, the US and India got close and India thought that this was it for Pakistan. This was the early victories based on which they built their foreign policy towards Pakistan. They decided to invest in Afghanistan to establish that goodwill with the Afghan government and did not have the view of the end state. Then, as the US decided to pack its bags and run off and at the blazing speed it is, the Indians were left clueless and shocked and their short term strategic planning at peril. The collapse of the Afghan government further added to their woes. They thought the US would be around forever and they would continue to be merry the way they are. Now, they are backing the wrong horse again in Panjshir, as soon as they heard of a resistance to Taliban, they started running and shouting like banshees and claiming the same early victory. However, like before, it is increasingly looking like it will fall flat on their face.

The same thing with 2019 airstrikes. The Indians came along on the 26th of Feb, bombed Pakistan, and till the 27th of Feb, claimed victory and was celebrating. However, the whole thing flipped upside the next day leaving them clueless on what to do next and went on a campaign of lies and deceit mostly for their own public consumption.

The Chabahar port is another story from which the Iranians kicked the Indians out. They poorly managed that project and lost the goodwill of the Iranians.

The Indianā€™s projects for LCA Tejas and Arjun are another glaring example of poor and limited planning.

Have a look at cricket, Pakistan does the very same. We doubt ourselves but continue and suddenly end up in the top spots of the tournament. We are a wild card. India in contrast, are always claiming early victories, overly confident, become favourites but then fall flat horribly. However, this is a game so there is always an element of chance but this line of thinking is quite visible if you can see it.

So, this individual thinking then builds up into a national thinking and we can see why different state actors make decisions the way they do.
This guy needs a Positive rating
 
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Exactly! I dont understand why are we trying to portray ourselves as some sort of over achievers and falling right into the Indian narrative that they are trying to build?
Do we really want to feel the heat because rest assured it will come and believe me as much as i want to tell the world Hell yeah! realistically speaking we are not in a position to do so.




It makes NO difference. No matter how much we try to appease, the heat keeps increasing and so does the false accusations against us. We need to start saying it how it is.
 
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Patwari's

The patwar system works on the principle of having more iq than others involved.

Patwari has insight of atleast 7 generations before and foresight for 3 generations ahead.

know your propagated enemy for once
 
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The patwar system works on the principle of having more iq than others involved.

Patwari has insight of atleast 7 generations before and foresight for 3 generations ahead.

know your propagated enemy for once

Yet. They still canā€™t improve the country to prevent land grabbing and stuff 7 generations before and 3 ahead.
 
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