Are Pakistani Security forces & Intelligence even capable of dealing with Talibans & other threats??

[Areesh]

No you don't. You correct him. It is called tolerance. Why do you think those animals killed those poor people in Karachi? Because lack of tolerance ....

Well he has done his research. It is time to pack up and leave. I have no issues with him living here. But still it makes no sense for a guy like him to live with extremists. Why put your life at stake while living with a nation of extremists.

 

[waz]

Be careful what you are writing brothers.....

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This is why we have problems in the first place. One guy wants more killed as a cure the other guy wants fellow citizens packing and leaving ....

Anatol Leveine "Its a hard country" You bet.

 

[usernameless]

I suggest everyone to watch this video, It explains a lot ...


The problem is veryyy deep and massive..

How are schools and mosques organized in Pakistan? Is there a specific government department that controls and ensures that mosques and schools teach/preach strictly only what is allowed, so that no/less ground is given to such extremism? I believe this is one of the, if not the root of such problems. One can kill terrorists, but usually they will come back. One needs to kill the reason. The current generation taliban are already rotten from within, but i hope Pakistani govt will take effective measures to avoid the newer generations from falling in this bullshit taliban ideology.

 

[Pakistani till death]

How are schools and mosques organized in Pakistan? Is there a specific government department that controls and ensures that mosques and schools teach/preach strictly only what is allowed, so that no/less ground is given to such extremism? I believe this is one of the, if not the root of such problems. One can kill terrorists, but usually they will come back. One needs to kill the reason. The current generation taliban are already rotten from within, but i hope Pakistani govt will take effective measures to avoid the newer generations from falling in this bullshit taliban ideology.

Syllabus of schools is made by the ministry of education however madrassas do what they want and this is why these madrassas are the root of radicalisation and terrorism. Young kids here are brainwashed to become radicals. If only our govt could enforce going to school as the primary source of education and madrassas as an evening thing and a uniform nationwide govt made strict syllabus for them only then would radicalisation finish. If it was up to me all madrassas would be shut down even the good ones and once they are finshed new one would be made by the govt.

 

[RAMPAGE]

I believe it is his country as much as yours. It is this very mindset that is the cause of our problems ....

@RAMPAGE

I see your point about the Sunni but I think your wrong in saying that. I know you did not mean it but people will take it wrongly. No point in chucking oil on what already is highly infammable subject. I would say though the effect you allude to already happened. The Peshawar school attacked helped focus the mind of the army leadership. That attack rattled the army into getting serious.

I come from a very conservative sunni family. Believe me i know what i am talking about.

People have short memories. Some may have changed their opinion for the time being and some did not. The battle is not won yet. We have a long way to go.

I believe it is his country as much as yours. It is this very mindset that is the cause of our problems ....

@RAMPAGE

I see your point about the Sunni but I think your wrong in saying that. I know you did not mean it but people will take it wrongly. No point in chucking oil on what already is highly infammable subject. I would say though the effect you allude to already happened. The Peshawar school attacked helped focus the mind of the army leadership. That attack rattled the army into getting serious.

I come from a very conservative sunni family. Believe me i know what i am talking about.

People have short memories. Some may have changed their opinion for the time being and some did not. The battle is not won yet. We have a long way to go.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

How are schools and mosques organized in Pakistan? Is there a specific government department that controls and ensures that mosques and schools teach/preach strictly only what is allowed, so that no/less ground is given to such extremism? I believe this is one of the, if not the root of such problems. One can kill terrorists, but usually they will come back. One needs to kill the reason. The current generation taliban are already rotten from within, but i hope Pakistani govt will take effective measures to avoid the newer generations from falling in this bullshit taliban ideology.

Well we can now see why Turkey is not in the shit*bucket. Well I said my Turkish friend. If you have spare Kemal Ataturk do please export him to Pakistan because we badly need one.

No,sadly the state does not organize the religious education or institutions. What we have done in Pakistan is allow any degenerate, mostly the retarded types to sprout a beard, preferably have no education and then sell his a*ss to outside countries like Saudia Arabia or Iran who then sponsor these people to spout hatred and misogny. In any other country these animals who every day preach death and hate would be arrested and put in prison. Here our government is too scared of them.

The result is every year more and more people are catching the cancer. So as you so very well said you need to "kill the reason" in Pakistan is reason is allowed to be multiplied mostly in the madaris that government has little or no control over.

Edit: Do please tell Pakistani's here how your government keeps a grip on the Mullahs.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Well he says 100% Pakistanis are anti shia and extremists. Then I have reasons to ask him to leave such kind of extremists. Pakistan is a lost cause as per research of @RAMPAGE

Never did. I said most of them are.

It is not a lost cause. We can defeat extremism by resisting it on every platform, by promoting tolerance, by speading education and by improving our economy.

The question is, are you admiting the problem and willing to solve it?

 

[Shan-e-ibrahim]

The terrorists who killed 143 Children at APS didn't see whether they were Shia,Sunni,Ahmedis or Christians.. I think they consider whole Pakistani nation as 'Munafiq' or something, and have waged Jihad against Pakistan and Pakistanis..

When Mongol took Jeddah and Baghdad, they converted themselves into Muslims, and due to difference in culture like, eating , language, wearing habits, ibn tehmiya issued them fatwa calling them Munafiqs.

This case is somehow similar, that some one is trying to have an authority over Islam.

I am not against Tehmiya, or any one but this is power play intra Muslim world.

 

[usernameless]

Syllabus of schools is made by the ministry of education however madrassas do what they want and this is why these madrassas are the root of radicalisation and terrorism. Young kids here are brainwashed to become radicals. If only our govt could enforce going to school as the primary source of education and madrassas as an evening thing and a uniform nationwide govt made strict syllabus for them only then would radicalisation finish. If it was up to me all madrassas would be shut down even the good ones and once they are finshed new one would be made by the govt.

I agree with you. The govt should/must have a hand in those madrassas as well to ensure that no or as little hate preaching imams or teachers gets through. In the worst case (or 'rather taking no risk' case) the govt could shut them down and force all children to attend schools, but, as i am not a Pakistani, I don't know well how people and children who are in favor of these madrassas might react. Besides, is it true that some of those madrasses are sponsored by foreigners as it is claimed on this forum? If yes, that is even more worrisome.

 

[xyxmt]

It wall depends on the resolve of Pakistani people, any lame security agency is capable of dealing with criminals they just need to support of people and makes sure they dont cry on any incident. this is a tough game where innocents die also and you have to accept that but if you want 100% clean operation then no agency can win this

 

[RAMPAGE]

Besides, is it true that some of those madrasses are sponsored by foreigners as it is claimed on this forum? If yes, that is even more worrisome.

Yes they are and openly.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I agree with you. The govt should/must have a hand in those madrassas as well to ensure that no or as little hate preaching imams or teachers gets through. In the worst case (or 'rather taking no risk' case) the govt could shut them down and force all children to attend schools, but, as i am not a Pakistani, I don't know well how people and children who are in favor of these madrassas might react. Besides, is it true that some of those madrasses are sponsored by foreigners as it is claimed on this forum? If yes, that is even more worrisome.

Most of these madrasses have sold themselves to causes that conflict with Pakistan. They act like a law unto themselves and because they use the name of "Allah" they think they can act beyond the rule of law. We even had one madrassa in our capital less than one mile of Parliament refuse to listen to the government and all the students led by the Mullah armed themselves. The army had to come to shoot it's way in. Many soldiers even died.

 

[Pakistani till death]

I agree with you. The govt should/must have a hand in those madrassas as well to ensure that no or as little hate preaching imams or teachers gets through. In the worst case (or 'rather taking no risk' case) the govt could shut them down and force all children to attend schools, but, as i am not a Pakistani, I don't know well how people and children who are in favor of these madrassas might react. Besides, is it true that some of those madrasses are sponsored by foreigners as it is claimed on this forum? If yes, that is even more worrisome.

I wont say all madrassas are foreign funded but yes majority of them are especially by saudi sympathiser donors, and then the other arabs. However pakistanis themselves also give a lot of 'chanda'(donations) to radicalisation unis(madrassas). One big example is lal masjid and its madrassa in islamabad. It is funded by saudis and we saw what happened there in 2005 and it still happens. That radicalisation uni is in the middle of the capital of pakistan and no one does anything. If nothing is done there what can you expect in far away rural areas where madrassas are the schools

 

[Areesh]

Never did. I said most of them are.

It is not a lost cause. We can defeat extremism by resisting it on every platform, by promoting tolerance, by speading education and by improving our economy.

The question is, are you admiting the problem and willing to solve it?

I admit there is some support for these animals. But to say majority supports them. You are wrong and definitely not helping in any manner to solve this problem.