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Asian-American Claims Harvard, Princeton Denied Admission Based On Race

The U.S. Education Department's Office of Civil Rights is investigating Harvard and Princeton after receiving a complaint from an Indian-American student last August claiming that both Ivy League universities discriminated against him during the college admissions process because he was Asian, according to a report published on Bloomberg's website.

A spokesman for the Office of Civil Rights told theWashington Post the complaint was "accepted for investigation" on Jan. 11 under allegations of "discrimination against Asian-Americans on the basis of race/national origin with respect to the university's admissions process."

The student, whose named has not been released, filed complaints against Harvard and Princeton after being rejected by both universities last year, according to Bloomberg. His father told the paper that his son was among the top students in his California high school's graduating class.

The same student also filed a complaint against Yale, but later withdrew the allegation.

Jeff Neal, a spokesman for Harvard, told Bloomberg the school could not comment on pending investigations but that the school "does not discriminate against Asian-American applicants."

For the 2010-2011 academic year, 16 percent of Harvard undergraduates were Asian, according to Harvard's website.

A spokesman for Princeton, where Asian students comprise nearly 18 percent of the undergraduate student body, also denied the allegations. It's not the first time Ivy League universities have been the subject of discrimination complaints filed by Asian-American students.

Both Bloomberg and the Washington Post noted a high-profile case from 2006 in which Jian Li, a Chinese American student who has perfect scores on the SAT and a number of AP subject tests, filed a complaint against Princeton University alleging the school rejected him because of his race.

Despite schools' claims that they do not discriminate applicants on the basis of race, a number of studies have suggested that Asian students do in fact face harsher standards for college admission than peers of different races.

For their 1997 book "No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life," Princeton sociologists Thomas Espenshade and Alexandria Walton Radford reviewed admissions data from 10 elite colleges and found that, on average, Asian applicants needed to score 140 points higher on standardized test than white students to compete for the same spot.

Admissions counselors at elite colleges have also confirmed that Asians face a tougher time during college admissions. Writing for the Boston Globe, Kara Miller shared her experience working as a reader for Yale's Office of Undergraduate Admissions:

...It became immediately clear to me that Asians - who constitute 5 percent of the US population - faced an uphill slog. They tended to get excellent scores, take advantage of AP offerings, and shine in extracurricular activities. Frequently, they also had hard-knock stories: families that had immigrated to America under difficult circumstances, parents working as kitchen assistants and store clerks, and households in which no English was spoken. But would Yale be willing to make 50 percent of its freshman class Asian? Probably not.

As a result, many Asian students applying to elite universities are choosing not to identify their race on college applications, according to the Associated Press.

"As someone who was applying with relatively strong scores, I didn't want to be grouped into that stereotype," Amalia Halikias, a Yale Freshman whose mother is Asian, told the AP. "I didn't want to be written off as one of the 1.4 billion Asians that were applying."

Not surprisingly, there is a much higher percentage of Asians students at schools that can't consider race in admissions, like public California universities, which are legally prohibited from considering race in admissions. At the University of California Berkeley, for example, 40 percent of undergraduate students are Asian, according to the AP.

"[Top colleges] could fill their entire freshman class twice over with qualified Asian students or white students or valedictorians," Rosita Fernandez-Rojo, a former college admissions officer who is now director of college counseling at Rye Country Day School outside of New York City, told the AP.
 
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There is a recent court decision against the use of 'Affirmative Action" as a rule for college admission
Let's see how it goes:

U.S. top court upholds Michigan ban on college affirmative action
Apr 22, 2014

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Are Ivy League Schools Biased Against Asians? - Bloomberg View

America's 18-year-olds have just learned where they will and won't be going to college for the next four years, which makes it as good a time as any to reflect on one of the injustices in the U.S. college admissions system: Apparent bias against Asians.

This might seem like an odd claim. After all, 20 percent of those admitted to Harvard last year were Asian, even though Asians only make up about 5 percent of the U.S. population. But Asians do much better than other racial groups on standardized tests and have much better grades, so the comparison is misleading.

Ron Unz looked at the Harvard students inducted into the Phi Beta Kappa honors society, which is based on grade-point average, and found that more than a third were Asian. Almost half of the students admitted into Phi Beta Kappa during their junior year -- the most-elite group -- were Asian. The simplest explanation for this over-representation among Phi Beta Kappa admissions relative to the total student body is that Asian applicants to Harvard were held to tougher standards.

Data from SAT test scores support this theory. Princeton sociologists Thomase Espenshade and Alexandria Radford crunched the numbers for the 2009 book "No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life" and found that the average test scores of admitted students at elite schools varied widely based on race.

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In other words, the average SAT score of an Asian student was about 140 points higher than the score of the average white student. No wonder the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights began investigating claims of discrimination against Asians at elite schools in 2012, after dismissing such allegations in the early 1990s.

To contact the writer of this article: Matthew C. Klein at mklein62@bloomberg.net.
 
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I read an article in the Economist which said that this has pretty much been ingrained in the admissions procedure of their top universities.

If they went purely by grades and test scores, they feel they would be disproportionately overwhelmed by Asians far in excess of their percentage of the overall population.
 
Most of them are Chinese students.

oh you are hurting the indians!:cheesy:

Referring to my posting on Michigan's ruling on affirmative actions above, the verdict is they are placing merits over race quotas

In the articles posted by @Fattyacids obiously the ivy league is implementing admission quotas on race against merits

So if there is another lawsuit against admission injustice of the ivy league schools, the ruling by Michigan court could be quoted as strong reference
 
oh you are hurting the indians!:cheesy:

Referring to my posting on Michigan's ruling on affirmative actions above, the verdict is they are placing merits over race quotas

In the articles posted by @Fattyacids obiously the ivy league is implementing admission quotas on race against merits

So if there is another lawsuit against admission injustice of the ivy league schools, the ruling by Michigan court could be quoted as strong reference

Not really look at the end of the day why does an Indian or a Chinese go there same reason to earn a better living its not a race nor is there a competition.

At the end of the day everyone cares for himself and his own family..
 
Not really look at the end of the day why does an Indian or a Chinese go there same reason to earn a better living its not a race nor is there a competition.

At the end of the day everyone cares for himself and his own family..

Indians in India are also discriminated right? but instead of race, it's high caste vs low caste.
 
Are there other ivy league schools besides the top 5? If schools don't want you there, just don't waste your money and apply somewhere else.
 
It is the opposite, low caste gets the state sponsored benefit, while high caste keeps on sucking fingers.

So it's like the affirmative action in the US, help the historically disadvantaged people to get a head start. Highly controversial social issue. But if it's meticulous implemented, I think it's a great way to uplift these people, and the society, as a whole, will benefit in the long run.
 
So it's like the affirmative action in the US, help the historically disadvantaged people to get a head start. Highly controversial social issue. But if it's meticulous implemented, I think it's a great way to uplift these people, and in the long run, it actually benefits the society as a whole.

You won't find me complaining though. What US did is absolutely right. There is not enough participation by native citizens in higher education and scientific research. US should facilitate more for their own citizens.

The one who is able enough, will eventually get through.

Are there other ivy league schools besides the top 5? If schools don't want you there, just don't waste your money and apply somewhere else.

It is not simple as that.
 
You won't find me complaining though. What US did is absolutely right. There is not enough participation by native citizens in higher education and scientific research. US should facilitate more for their own citizens.

The one who is able enough, will eventually get through.

For a highly advanced economy like the US, I'm of the opinion that affirmative action is stifling meritocracy and should not be practiced, except for certain social-economic group with a stringent set of criteria.

However, for upstart country like India, coupled with its deeply rooted caste discrimination, I think affirmative action is a must.
 
Are there other ivy league schools besides the top 5? If schools don't want you there, just don't waste your money and apply somewhere else.

the main point here is the school that the complainant applied to are discriminatory towards the applicant and because the us of a is always riding high horses emphasizing equality, fairness, transparency, merits and all those jazz and they are constantly using those jazz to police the world!

of course there are plenty of schools in the world which are better than or at par with the ivy league schools
 
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Even African Americans have more chances than Asian Americans, ridiculous. China need to be strong enough to carry the Asia, to reverse the situation "Asia is weak".

The only developed country is Asia is Japan, but it refused to carry Asia, so it's still a sub country under the western rule. Many people in Japan, Taiwan, Korea are western dogs, although they are relatively rich in Asia. They love the west, eager for west recognition, but west treat them as trash. Funny! Now it's China's opportunity, to challenge their rule, to make Asians more independent, to eliminate those western dogs.
 

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