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Are Iranians lying about the ”10 seconds reaction time”.

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What is known about the flight (from Flightradar24)

The aircraft was a Boeing 737-800.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_Next_Generation
The max speed of the aircraft is 844 kph. It is unlikely to reach that speed while climbing.

https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/...2-crashes-shortly-after-take-off-from-tehran/
The aircraft took off at 2:42 UTC
Contacts was lost 2:44 UTC

The altitude was never above 8,000 feet (way below cruising altitude)
It was climbing continously until hit.
The ground speed was 275 kph.
The climb speed was 2944 feet per minute = 897 meter per minute = 54 kph
Air speed was sqrt(275^2 + 54^2) = 280 kph

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The Iranians fired a Tor-M1 missile.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_missile_system
The range of the Tor-M1 is 12 km.
It flies at 850 m/s.
The max altitude for the Tor is 6,000 meter =19685 feet.

How long time does it take for the flight to climb from its max altitude during the flight to the max altitude of the Tor M1?
19685 - 8000 = 11685 feet.
11685/climb speed = 11685/2944 = ~4 minutes.
It takes 6000/850 = 7 seconds for the Tor-M1 to reach max altitude if fired straight up.

How long time before the flight reaches the max range?
12 km / 275 kph = 2,6 minutes = 2 minutes 37 seconds.
It will climb less than 8000 feet (2,6 * 2944) in that time, so it will notreach max altitude.

The distance to 12 km at 6000 meter altitude = sqrt(12^2 + 6^2) = 13416 meters.
It will take 13416 meters /850 meters per second = 16 seconds to reach the max distance.

In reality, the flight would have been detected at least a minute earlier,
From this we can draw the conclusion that the operator had several minutes before the flight would be out of range.

What if it was a cruise missile in its final flight?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_(missile)
Cruise missiles are flying 30-50 meters above the ground level.
They have a maximum speed of 890 kph.

The target was much slower.
It was at a very high altitude for a cruise missile.
It was climbing.
It was basically in the same path as any civilian airliner taking off at the airport.

The Tor-M1 can reach such a target in approximately 5 seconds, which is way before a cruise missile can turn downwards and hit a target.

The final conclusion must be that the operator was an incompetent/uneducated moron,
and that the Iranians are lying their teeths out at every opportunity on this issue.
 
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It's the kind of shit that happens when the U.S spreads war and insecurity in the world

how many drone attack has the US of A lunched the last 10 years on Iran soil...not talking about its capital? ZERRO

This US blaming is utterly nonsens....

My guess is the SAM crew knowed about the missle attack taken out by IRAN at the same time, onto Iraq soil targeting US bases... and were warned that there could be US reaction... this was 100% Iran military fail and had zerro to do with USA...the SAM crew overreacted or were badly informed...and what makes absolutly no sence the flight just took of from their main airport never left civil flight path and was shoot down because it come close to a Iran military barrack like all other flights taking off from that airport. The stupid leader of the Iran should have closed air space that night ... THEY attacked and knowed it could be a reaction ...
 
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how many drone attack has the US of A lunched the last 10 years on Iran soil...not talking about its capital? ZERRO

This US blaming is utterly nonsens....

My guess is the SAM crew knowed about the missle attack taken out by IRAN at the same time, onto Iraq soil targeting US bases... and were warned that there could be US reaction... this was 100% Iran military fail and had zerro to do with USA...the SAM crew overreacted or were badly informed...and what makes absolutly no sence the flight just took of from their main airport never left civil flight path and was shoot down because it come close to a Iran military barrack like all other flights taking off from that airport. The stupid leader of the Iran should have closed air space that night ... THEY attacked and knowed it could be a reaction ...

"Jitters"brother "Jitters" Iranian knew if the reaction from US came they will be bombed to la la land..let not forget about it...SAM Site reacted in "Jitters"

Its Iranian Blunder...why let a commercial flight take off when you know have hit a super power and expect reaction. whole iranian airspace should have been closed as what Pakistan did..

Now i truly understand why it was a such a big thing when F16s intercepted a B737 squawking Military code entered Pakistan and why closure of airspace was so damn important.

I have read about some thing That Tor M1 that were purchased by Iran and used in this blunder do not have IFF. any body have any idea?
 
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Such situations can happen during the war. I make my full support to the Iranian state. Rip to victims.
America should get out of the region with israeli robbers to back USA.

They are destroying the people of the region with their f..king dictators in KSA, UAE, AND all the region countries which are their allies.
 
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Such situations can happen during the war. I make my full support to the Iranian state. Rip to victims.
America should get out of the region with israeli robbers to back USA.

They are destroying the people of the region with their f..king dictators in KSA, UAE, TURKEY(?) AND all the region countries which are their allies.

like turkey does in the region... dont you think so ;)
 
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Such situations can happen during the war. I make my full support to the Iranian state. Rip to victims.
America should get out of the region with israeli robbers to back USA.

They are destroying the people of the region with their f..king dictators in KSA, UAE, AND all the region countries which are their allies.

There is no war inside Iran, except the war by the Iranian government on their own citizens.

The issue here is about the Iranian government lying.
You support that they lie about killing their own citizens?

Turkey is IN THE REGION! Although turkey is a rival to Iran, they have the fckn right to be and conduct their affairs IN THEIR REGION!
No, they have the right to conduct their affairs inside Turkey.
They do not have the right to conduct their affairs inside Syria and Iraq.
 
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Turkey is IN THE REGION! Although turkey is a rival to Iran, they have the fckn right to be and conduct their affairs IN THEIR REGION!

seriously dude... distance makes no different... Turkey has no right to cross boarder to Syria or Iraq and they do it ...

The only right Turkey has is inside their boarders... they are no superpower and play no rule in the world...even if they belive otherwise
 
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Turkey is IN THE REGION! Although turkey is a rival to Iran, they have the fckn right to be and conduct their affairs IN THEIR REGION!
So you will like it if Turkey funds Sunni militant groups inside Iran and cause instability? Seriously US, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia all the same shit except that US has more resources to play the game better than others.
 
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No, they have the right to conduct their affairs inside Turkey.
They do not have the right to conduct their affairs inside Syria and Iraq.

seriously dude... distance makes no different... Turkey has no right to cross boarder to Syria or Iraq and they do it ...

The only right Turkey has is inside their boarders... they are no superpower and play no rule in the world...even if they belive otherwise

according to the post colonial international regulations of UN, which is in place to conserve the power of former colonial powers, yes you are right!

according to 3rd law of physics and Darwinism, you are wrong. Asia has been in unbalance ever since the Anglos started their colonial adventures. Currently a couple of the former powers are pushing back. China, Iran and turkey. It’s easy for you to say that turkey should not cross its borders because UN laws says so. You have that luxury because millions of refugees are not crossing your borders.

both Iran and turkey are sick of the constant instability that is caused by the worlds biggest power in order to control the biggest energy hub in the world. So if you wish to point fingers at anyone then first do so at the biggest exporter of war and terror.
 
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lolllz 10 secound is another white lie of iran its is pathway of jets daily dozens of jets fly here . this airliner was took off from iran so they have no excuse that it was surprise . iran air traffic controller give it ok to fly .
 
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So you will like it if Turkey funds Sunni militant groups inside Iran and cause instability?

they wouldn’t because there is a power balance between turkey and Iran. Dual deterrence.
 
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