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Are Indians racist?
Are Indians racist? : Expat On The Edge

I was struck by a column I read in HT Café, the supplement to HT, at the weekend by sitar player Anoushka Shankar titled ‘Are you racist?’ In it she referred to the Air France incident, in which 60 Indian passengers were stranded at Paris airport lounge without food and water, while non-Indian passengers were put up in plush hotels. The Indian passengers are claiming racism.

But then the Indian author turned the subject on its head pointing out Indians were ready to claim they were suffering racism, but rarely introspected as to whether they themselves were racist. She then backed this up with various points such as:



* Most people would not be comfortable introducing a foreigner as a boy or girlfriend to their parents.
* Being white is bad enough but if he/she was black it would be even worse
* In India foreigners have to pay higher ticket prices to enter certain monuments
* The media constantly propagates the concept of white women as easy and loose.



I have to say I agreed with every point she made – but the above ones struck the strongest chord with me.

This is a subject that rarely, if never gets discussed in the media.

In fact, on the contrary, there is a belief that white people get advantages and are treated well. It may be true they can get into a club badly dressed that some Indians, who have washed their hair and are not in sandals, may not be able to get into, and in some situations, some of them face some advantages. But often they don’t. And what is the advantage of getting into the nightclub if say not a single Indian girl would take the white man to meet her parents?

Or what is the point of being in that club, as a white female, if most Indian man inside automatically assumes you are loose?

Of course there are globally minded, well-educated Indians that thankfully do not hold these bigoted views, but there are also a large number that do. Racism can be overt or it can be very subtle.

An Indian friend, doing some research, once said to me “You know how English women always write about their sex live in their blogs and Indian women don’t, well I was wondering…” (I was like… “What?”)

I said to an Indian male friend I had been on a date. The reply: “How was the sex?” (We had not even held hands.)

Two Indian married men have asked me to have affairs, something I am dead against…Of course, I have no idea whether they would have asked this to Indian women, but either way I take it as an insult.

I went to the Taj Mahal Palace in Agra last year. While the Indian rate was close to zero, foreigners had to pay a staggering amount to enter. There were two clerks at separate booths selling the tickets – one for Indians and one for foreigners. There were literally thousands of foreigners waiting to get in, while, needless to say, the queue outside the Indian booth was empty. But that man would not sell the foreigner any tickets. The heat and length of time we all had to wait (in my case three hours) led to many rows between foreigners in the queue, with various groups accusing the others of queue jumping.

The problem with this differential in price is that, while it may have been relevant years ago, maybe pre-1992, now it is not. Many Indians earn far more than their ‘white’ counterparts. Many westerners coming to India don’t have much money at all. I was recently in contact with a western TV producer here on a shoot, who was staying in a hostel for Rs600 a night in Colaba, with a friend, and who couldn’t afford to travel by taxi and took the local train everywhere. Meanwhile plenty of Indians have private drivers.

Beggars are the most racist. I am often sitting in a traffic jam in a rickshaw and within seconds am surrounded by beggars, while next to me is a Mercedes with an Indian businessman inside, clearly on more than 10 times my salary, and the beggars don’t approach him.

The media here too does constantly propagate the myth that western women are loose.

In virtually every Bollywood film I have seen a white woman is portrayed as a stripper, semi naked dance, etc and never in a serious role and never a ’sought after woman’ or the woman the hero wants to be with…

A friend of mine, a white actress, trying to make it in Bollywood, turns down scripts precisely because of this.

The only Bollywood film I can think of where a western woman was portrayed normally was Rang De Basanti.

As for the view of black people, the fact that sleeping with a black man in Fashion was deemed the worse possible crime is indicative of the mass view of black people. Yet the black people I have come across in India are some of the most civilized people you could meet – many come from well-to-do professional families in their home continent.

Now to be fair there are some white people that do propagate these myths – that wander around in dresses up to their knicker lines, caked in make-up, or backpackers who behave in inappropriate fashions. I have met white women in India, where even I am embarrassed at how they are dressed and know, through my Indian male friends, of backpackers from across the world, that will sleep with an Indian man in a no-strings attached relationship, often leaving the Indian man miffed.

However I have to say that these types of women do in no way reflect western women or global women and in fact they are often the dregs of their own societies. Every society has such people, even India.

Unfortunately India has always attracted such types, when it comes to the backpacker’s scene. Naturally not all backpackers fit this druggy loose profile and many are here for valid sightseeing or relaxation. I recently met the most delightful middle-class French tourists here on vacation.

But to judge the entire race of western women on the base of a few backpackers, who are the lowest of the low in their own societies anyway, would be like judging Indians, based on say three Indian prostitutes that visited the UK.)

Mind you, even I have been accused of being racist, when it was not intentional. So, in fact sometime something perceived to be racist might not have been intended as such. An Indian friend was narrating to me how his Indian friend had gone to his village and still not come back months later.

My response: “Why is it that all Indians do that – go to their village and disappear for months on end?” He was offended by this throwaway remark and accused me of being racist, when in fact; it was a stupid remark I said without thinking, but also vaguely out of curiosity. That could be why in the UK racism crimes are registered as hate crimes if the victim perceives them to be so.

At school William Blake’s poetry greatly influenced me to be anti racist. It really struck a chord in me at a very important age of growing up.

Anyway, I was delighted to see an Indian raise this subject, which will I guess persist as longs as foreigners continue to visit and live in India. It’s just good it is now being debated.

Indian Racism Against Afro Guyanese In Guyana
http://bajan.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/indian-racism-against-afro-guyanese-in-guyana/

I am on a one-year sabbatical from my job at The University of the West Indies, Barbados so most of my time is spent in Guyana which is my research area. I have done research on the Creole language, African-Guyanese culture (Comfa and Kwe-Kwe), but more recently I have been interested in the racism in the society and the political, social and economic consequences of a racial power structure. In the past I would spend my summer vacations and have occasional short visits to the country.

Whenever I return to Barbados it takes me a couple of days to recover from the trauma of the society. Now that I am in Guyana on a more or less continuous basis, I feel that I am living in a pressure cooker, and like many Guyanese, I just want some relief from the tensions in society. The problem in the country is inequality and the consequences of it with respect to differential distribution, rights and duties (which is what racism is about).

I was particularly concerned with a report in the Stabroek News (”Five ERC reports presented to Parliament,” October 19, 2007) where it was stated that studies conducted by the Ethnic Relations Commission (ERC) show that discrimination against African-Guyanese was a ‘perception’:

“The Ethnic Relations Commission (ERC) says studies on five important areas of concern in the country found no real evidence of discrimination but a perception that certain ethnic groups are discriminated against.”

A subsequent notice appeared in Stabroek News (October 28, 2007) where the ERC was inviting African-Guyanese to a forum to discuss their “perceived needs.” The use of the term “perception” implies that nothing needs to be done since discrimination is just a figment of the imagination of African-Guyanese. The discrimination must be a perception because no laws are broken. In South Africa during the apartheid era, and in the Southern United States in the pre-Martin Luther King, Jr. era, laws were passed prohibiting people from living or sitting in certain areas; and if these laws were broken, punishment could then be inflicted. Also, it is in the laws of Guyana that Guyanese cannot own lands in Amerindian areas, but Amerindians can own lands in other areas. So if members of other ethnic groups seek to purchase lands in Amerindian designated areas the discrimination would be very clear since a law would be broken.

There are no such laws with respect to Africans, East Indians and other ethnic groups in the society. Since no laws can be said to be broken with respect to jobs, land distribution and development opportunities in Guyana, the implication is that all is well in the society for racism is nothing more than a perception.

But all is not well. If the word “discrimination” is a poor choice for the experiences of African-Guyanese since racism is not legal in Guyana, then a more apt word is “victimization” where a group of people are singled out for cruel and unjust treatment. There is an informal system (racism is a formal or informal power structure) of privileges and rights operating in the society. When East Indians are accused of racism, they are quick to point out that they lived and worked among Africans and have or had close African friends.

So there is nothing that one can point at to say they are racists – so the racism in nothing more than a perception. But Africans are victims of what is in the hearts of East Indians, and as I have pointed out in The Cycle of Racial Oppression (2003) and Sacred Duty: Hinduism and violence in Guyana (2005), what is written in the Hindu sacred texts. The violent reactions by some East Indians to Cycle (there has been silence on Sacred Duty since I really got to the core of the issue in that book), is that I had the audacity to discuss the formal system of racism that informs their hearts. The racism, and thus inequality, that is promoted in the Hindu sacred texts is a valuable resource which bestows benefits, rights and duties to a group of people and thus must be maintained at all costs and by any means necessary.

One area in which Africans are victimized is in development allocations and thus depriving Africans of the means of earning a living and driving them into poverty thereby injuring their life prospects. If you cannot work, you cannot live. Since the PPP came to power in 1992 a myth was formulated that Africans do not repay loans. That myth became the justification for banks denying loans to Africans, but loans are readily made available to East Indians. The result is that Africans do not apply to banks for loans, and this is then the reason for the ERC in their report concluding that there is no discrimination against Africans in receiving bank loans since Africans do not apply.

The African Cultural Development Association (ACDA) has reported that it applied to the European Union (EU) for funds for a Drum Museum and other social needs. The money was approved by the EU but the disbursement has been stymied by the government and so ACDA has not received the money. There is another instance in which the EU gave money to a Co-op comprising of Africans to assist in developing their farming methods. No sooner was the grant made that an East Indian wrote the EU protesting about the grant and at the same time informing the Minister of Agriculture of his actions. This was done without informing the Co-op members, and only the generosity of the EU facilitated the information reaching the members of the Co-op. Then too, there has been the systematic killing of young African men. There has been no systematic killings of the other ethnic groups. Whether it is by starvation or systematic murder, the PPP has been portraying a sustained and purposeful attempt to destroy Africans. This is genocide.

Guyanese frequently tell me that they are “confused.” The confusion is not surprising for there is evidence of double standards and “double talk.” The President tells the nation that acting positions are not good in that persons needed to be confirmed in their positions to give them security of tenure and to give them the confidence to shield them from the Executive, but he creates acting positions. There are several acting positions in important arms of the state. There is an Acting Police Commissioner, Acting Judges, Acting DPP, Acting Auditor General, Acting Chief Justice and Acting Chancellor. We see images in the newspapers and on television of young men who have been tortured, but the state tells us that torture is not a part of its modus operandi and the wounds may be self-inflicted.

We see that one set of laws and behaviors that apply to a particular group, do not apply to another. Young African men and the poor in the society are summarily executed while surrendering, or killed without firing at the police, or are jailed for committing violent crimes, or committing a robbery. But the white collar crimes that are primarily connected to the narcotics trade, money laundering, trafficking in persons and weapons, and corruption are operations that are above the law, and the culprits are very often not prosecuted. In fact, in a series of articles in Stabroek News (beginning on September 16, 2007), Clive Y. Thomas explains how the state has been reconstituted to become a criminal enterprise.

Despite their criminality, he explains, the state expresses concerns about law and order in the society. However, these are concerns which apply to the ordinary citizens and not to the cabal who do not want their operations stymied. For example, the Minister of Human Services proclaimed a war on sexual violence, but no actions were taken when a Senior Minister in her government allegedly raped a young woman. Ordinary citizens are jailed for assault, but the President took no action against his Minister of Local government who assaulted a young man with a gun, knocked him down with his vehicle and then fired shots in the air. Young African men are criminalized and murdered for resisting their oppression; but as Clive Y. Thomas pointed out (”Above and beyond the law: The ruling elite in the criminal state,” = Stabroek News, September 16, 2007), the state is the same criminal gang which organizes the infamous “phantom force.” The people have all right to be confused by this double standard and double talk – it is a deliberate confusion aimed at making the people think that a moderate position will be taken, but it never happens. It is a confusion which also means that the agenda is to subordinate a group of people.

A major confusion at the moment concerns the Judiciary where the President is attempting to govern the country in contradicting the rules of the Constitution. Due to the President’s intransigence in nominating no one other than Justice Carl Singh for the post of Chancellor, the Constitutional requirement that there be agreement between the President and the Leader of the Opposition has been unfruitful. The President blamed the Constitution for the impasse and went so far as to assert:

“It was not the intention of the constitution reform commission for anything like this to happen and so we will have to find ways to set a precedent or make the necessary change to deal with this.”

There is nothing wrong with the Constitution. The framers of the Constitution knew that Guyana has a racial problem and sought to heal the divisions by making provisions for consensual decisions. The “new precedent” that the President has decided on is to step outside of the Constitution and create the posts of Acting Chief Justice and Acting Chancellor. There are no such posts in the Constitution. The problem began in 2005 with the failure of an agreement between the President and the Leader of the Opposition on who should be the new Chancellor. The President named Justice Carl Singh who is/was the Chief Justice as an Acting Chancellor. In November 2007, Justice Ramlall ruled that one person cannot hold two posts at the same time. The Constitution has set up two courts and a head of each. There is no provision for one person to hold both positions, or for one person to act for another. The government has now decided to deflect the order in another way by creating two acting appointments which are outside of the Constitution. The disobeying of the Supreme Law has been going on for some time which indicates that the President would like to rule by fiat.
Carl Singh with President Jagdeo
What the government has never told the people is whether Justice Carl Singh was in receipt of two salaries – one for Chief Justice and another for Acting Chancellor. It is also known that he advises the government which means he has to be paid. So he is like Popeye – bowling and batting. The obtaining of several salaries is not only an aspect of the white collar crime that is destroying the country, but it reinforces the point made by Clive Y. Thomas (”Above and beyond the law: The ruling elite in the criminal state,” Stabroek News, September 16, 2007) that several persons in the cabal operate in several categories simultaneously.

North Eastern Indian Women face Racism in their Own Country!
http://blog.abhinav.com/north-eastern-indian-women-face-racism-in-their-own-country/

“Chak De India” – the movie came out some years back, but I am sure that a majority of you still remember these lines from it… “aapko apne hi desh mein koi mehmaan kahe to aapko kaisa lagega..?” (How will you feel if you are regarded as guests/outsiders in your own country?) The lines were uttered by two North-Eastern Indian women hockey players during their registration process in the Women’s hockey team of India. Remember the scene now???

outsiders_in_own_country.jpg


Surely, the movie dealt with other major issues but this particular line caught my attention. And yesterday, when I was reading this incident that a North-Eastern girl was badly molested in Munirka (New Delhi), my belief strengthened that girls from North-Eastern states like Mizoram, Assam, Tripura, to name a few are still treated outsiders in their own country. This victim from Mizoram was waiting for her younger sister, just when a restaurant waiter approached her and started passing lewd comments at her. It was when she started shouting; the neighbours came into her rescue and saved her from the brutal deeds of the culprit!

This is not the first incident which marked any North-Eastern girl as a victim. One can count thousands of such occurrences in the past… Some call them Nepalis, some address them as Chinese or Tibetans, but is it really their fault that their facial features do not match any typical Indian woman? Every day or the other, these innocent girls, who come to metropolitan cities to make their career, have to face lousy comments in some form or the other and have no choice but to ignore them, each passing day.

Well, it is accepted that these “so-called outsiders” are not good at communicating in Hindi, but does this mean that they are not Indians? The fact is that in most of the North Eastern states, English is the most widely spoken language and they hardly converse in the national language of India. But, once they land at the core of the country, where Hindi is widely spoken, they should be little empathetic and show their willingness to learn a bit of the language.

Not only in Delhi, similar incidents are reported in the everyday newspapers in other Indian states as well. North-Eastern people, especially girls are not safe and secure in these states. However, the rate of these incidents is significantly higher in Delhi. Why? Are Delhiites harder on these people? Are they more discriminating than other Indians? Believe it or not, the discrimination on North-Eastern people is a sort of racism!

The fact that a majority of these girls come alone, stay alone, make them a soft target, be it for molestation or some other brutal crime. Why don’t we guys understand that having unfamiliar features does not make them outsiders and they are as much Indians as our mothers or sisters. It’s high time that we should start addressing these issues and commence making some really HUGE changes in our mindsets!
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Yes, in many cases, without realizing it. But so is true for many other societies.

I personally havent experienced racism from Indians in this country i live in but im sure with over a billion people in India there is a mixture of societies that are racist. This as you correctly point out is present in most nations. The important thing is when it airs its ugly head the authorities grab the situation before it gets out of control.
 
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Yes, a certain section of our population are. We don't think twice before calling North-Easterners 'Chinkis'. Sadly. But of course, not every one of us is a racist.

P.S: If Chinese Dragon reads this, he'll certainly come up with his 'slanty-eyed chinks' one liner! :D
 
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Well they are mostly skin colorist:angel:
 
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Yes, in many cases, without realizing it. But so is true for many other societies.

As usual Indians love to drag others (or other countries) into a thread where the topic is about India/Indian.

Yes, a certain section of our population are. We don't think twice before calling North-Easterners 'Chinkis'. Sadly. But of course, not every one of us is a racist.

P.S: If Chinese Dragon reads this, he'll certainly come up with his 'slanty-eyed chinks' one liner! :D

That's why Aboriginals of Northeast India is fighting for their independence from India but there are crushed by Indian Troops who have the blessing of the Indian Government and Big Daddy USA.
 
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As usual Indians love to drag others (or other countries) into a thread where the topic is about India/Indian..

As usual, you started a negative thread on India to get your daily fix.

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I personally havent experienced racism from Indians in this country i live in but im sure with over a billion people in India there is a mixture of societies that are racist. This as you correctly point out is present in most nations. The important thing is when it airs its ugly head the authorities grab the situation before it gets out of control.

Its mostly related to skin color. Our penchant for a fairer skin (I believe this is true for most of the sub-continent) makes us pseudo-racists.
 
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As usual, you started a negative thread on India to get your daily fix.

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Its mostly related to skin color. Our penchant for a fairer skin (I believe this is true for most of the sub-continent) makes us pseudo-racists.

Fair and Lovely anyone???
 
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Let me be honest ,yes we are-

->North Indians love to make fun of gujaratis and south indians,they see a fair skinned south indian they will tag him/her as a gora/gori madrasan.

->Gujaratis love cracking jokes on punjabis.

->South Indian families especially tam brahms in most cases will get a heart attack if their son/daughter loves a north indian.

->South Indians have this amazing superiority complex over North Indians in terms of IQ and academic accomplishments.

->every fair skinned foreigner even though his nationality is not known is termed as a firangee and then we whine about racism in australia when women from several countries get looted and raped in India.

->people love to call North-East Indians as chinkis or chow mein,sometimes they even think that they love China over India anyday when they have no idea how many Mizos,Nagas are there in the armed forces as officers.

->a bihari is immediately termed as a hooligan.

->tamilians hate hindi being spoken around them in tamil nadu not realising it is the national language of the country.

->We all know what the fav. pastime of the MNS is.
 
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