Are Indians and Iranians belong to the same race?

[Attila the Hun]

Turks are Aryans and are same as Kurds, Indians and Iranians.

You sure about that?

Turks...

These are Kurds.

 

[Hamza913]

Indians, Iranians, Turks, Kurds and Slavs belong to the same race and shared the same history & culture during pre-Christian & Pre-Islamic eras.

But over the years western part of Persians and Turks (who moved to Anatolia from Central Asia) started mixing with semetics while People of the India side started mixing with tribals.

My family hails from Southern Tamilnadu but when I did my Ancestry DNA test it should be that I was from Iran? That is when I started studying this subject further.

No. Turks are different. Central Asian Turks are Mongoloid, only Turkish Turks are Caucasoid due to high amounts of non-Turkic blood being present in them. Dunno about Slavs.

Ancestry DNA tests are not that reliable, and even if most of your ancestry is from Iran, unless you are Baluchi, Parsi or Muslim, it would likely be pretty ancient ancestry from ancient Iranians that came during the Indo-Aryan migration and not from modern day Iranians.

 

[shootingstar]

You sure about that?

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Turks...

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These are Kurds.

Janissaries vs. the Real Turks/Kurds.

No. Turks are different. Central Asian Turks are Mongoloid, only Turkish Turks are Caucasoid due to high amounts of non-Turkic blood being present in them. Dunno about Slavs.

Ancestry DNA tests are not that reliable, and even if most of your ancestry is from Iran, unless you are Baluchi, Parsi or Muslim, it would likely be pretty ancient ancestry from ancient Iranians that came during the Indo-Aryan migration and not from modern day Iranians.

The current day Turks in CARs have mixed with the decedents of Genghis Khan while the Turks who moved to Anatolia mixed with Caucasians and Semetics. Babur was a direct decedent of Timurid who was a direct decendent of Genghis Khan.

 

[Dash]

sorry we are dark skinned. 97% Indians are dark skinned.

 

[Hamza913]

Babur was a direct decedent of Timurid who was a direct decendent of Genghis Khan.

Wrong. Tamerlane made up he was a descendent of Ghenghis Khan so his reign had more legitimacy among the Mongols. Babur was descended from Khan through someone else.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

How does the distance matter? Do you know Brahmins from Indo-Pak region fought in the war of Karbala?


Hussaini Brahmins: The Hindus who fought for Imam Hussain in war of Karbala


Mohammed Uzair ShaikhEmail


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The term ‘Hussaini Brahmins’ comes as a surprise for the majority of readers. It is perceived as if two contradicting words are aligned together. However, its definition is a source of inspiration for those who believe in plurality, unity and diversity. At a time when communal animosity is escalating between Hindus and Muslims, one should reminisce the valour shown by Brahmins residing in North-West frontier (now Pakistan) by joining the martyrdom of the revered Islamic figure.

Who are Hussaini Brahmins?

Rahab Singh Dutt, an upper-caste Hindu belonging to Mohyal community traveled all the way to Iran, along with his sons to join Imam Hussain, the grandson of Prophet Muhammad in the war of Karbala. The famous battle was fought against caliph Yazeed, who had turned corrupt and spread a cruel rule in the region of al-sham (the area which is now demarcated as Iraq, Iran and Syria). Since the grandson of prophet took objection to his unjust methods, Yazeed launched a war against him.

Imam Hussain, who was left with a few number of supporters in the region of Central Arab (now Medina, Oman and Yemen) wrote a number of letters to neighbouring tribes and regions which had maintained good relations with Prophet Muhammad. One such letter reached the Brahmins of North-West frontier.

Despite knowing the fact that he was participating a one-sided battle and destined to lose, Datt joined the forces of Hussain. According to Sunita Jhingran, who claims to be a Mohyal descendant of Rahab Singh Dutt, “Our ancestors joined the forces because Imam Hussain was fighting against the oppression of people under Yazeed’s rule. He was fighting for true Islam, which was propagated by the beloved prophet. Rahab Singh Dutt was a warrior who joined the forces of the Imam since he was standing for the righteous.”

The war of Karbala began in 680 AD. Rahab Singh Dutt joined the losing battalion of Hussain. Dutt did not die in the battle, but his seven sons who accompanied him lost their lives shortly after the beheading of Imam Hussain. After the battle, he met Hussain’s sister, Zainab and narrated his story.

According to Vipin Mohan Jhingran, who claims to be a Hussaini Brahmin, Zainab was moved to tears after confronting Dutt. “The family of Prophet Muhammad told our ancestor Rahab Singh Dutt that from now you are not just Brahmins, but ‘Hussaini’ Brahmins,” said Jhingran.

Where are the Hussaini Brahmins now?

The Hussaini Brahmins thrived in the regions of Pakistan in the pre-independence era. The community members are identified with surnames such as Mohan, Bali, Chibber, Dutt, Bakshi, Lav, Bimwal and Jhingran. After the partition, they migrated to India and settled in various parts of the nation.

However, despite their contributions in the redefining era of Islamic history, a number of Muslims in India and Pakistan fail to acknowledge them. They refrain from believing the narrative of the Mohyal community alleging that no Islamic author has claimed the same. However, Shia cleric based in Lahore, Maulana Hasan Zafar Naqvi, validates the fact that Mohyals had participated in the war of Karbala since they had good relations with Caliph Ali, the father of Imam Hussain.

Despite sharing a rich and varied history, the Hussaini Brahmins have somehow turned into a lost community and have remotely made their socio-religious presence felt. Amid situations where a Tajya procession in Muharram can cause a communal riot, both the communities should recall the martyrdom of Imam Hussain and sacrifice made up by Mohyals to safeguard his honour.

http://www.india.com/news/india/hus...ht-for-imam-hussain-in-war-of-karbala-655259/

Hussaini brahmins of lahore is a myth.

And even if some of their ancestors were in iraq.. doesnt mean they are of same arab race does it?

 

[Pakistani E]

How does the distance matter? Do you know Brahmins from Indo-Pak region fought in the war of Karbala?


Hussaini Brahmins: The Hindus who fought for Imam Hussain in war of Karbala


Mohammed Uzair ShaikhEmail


View attachment 456030
The term ‘Hussaini Brahmins’ comes as a surprise for the majority of readers. It is perceived as if two contradicting words are aligned together. However, its definition is a source of inspiration for those who believe in plurality, unity and diversity. At a time when communal animosity is escalating between Hindus and Muslims, one should reminisce the valour shown by Brahmins residing in North-West frontier (now Pakistan) by joining the martyrdom of the revered Islamic figure.

Who are Hussaini Brahmins?

Rahab Singh Dutt, an upper-caste Hindu belonging to Mohyal community traveled all the way to Iran, along with his sons to join Imam Hussain, the grandson of Prophet Muhammad in the war of Karbala. The famous battle was fought against caliph Yazeed, who had turned corrupt and spread a cruel rule in the region of al-sham (the area which is now demarcated as Iraq, Iran and Syria). Since the grandson of prophet took objection to his unjust methods, Yazeed launched a war against him.

Imam Hussain, who was left with a few number of supporters in the region of Central Arab (now Medina, Oman and Yemen) wrote a number of letters to neighbouring tribes and regions which had maintained good relations with Prophet Muhammad. One such letter reached the Brahmins of North-West frontier.

Despite knowing the fact that he was participating a one-sided battle and destined to lose, Datt joined the forces of Hussain. According to Sunita Jhingran, who claims to be a Mohyal descendant of Rahab Singh Dutt, “Our ancestors joined the forces because Imam Hussain was fighting against the oppression of people under Yazeed’s rule. He was fighting for true Islam, which was propagated by the beloved prophet. Rahab Singh Dutt was a warrior who joined the forces of the Imam since he was standing for the righteous.”

The war of Karbala began in 680 AD. Rahab Singh Dutt joined the losing battalion of Hussain. Dutt did not die in the battle, but his seven sons who accompanied him lost their lives shortly after the beheading of Imam Hussain. After the battle, he met Hussain’s sister, Zainab and narrated his story.

According to Vipin Mohan Jhingran, who claims to be a Hussaini Brahmin, Zainab was moved to tears after confronting Dutt. “The family of Prophet Muhammad told our ancestor Rahab Singh Dutt that from now you are not just Brahmins, but ‘Hussaini’ Brahmins,” said Jhingran.

Where are the Hussaini Brahmins now?

The Hussaini Brahmins thrived in the regions of Pakistan in the pre-independence era. The community members are identified with surnames such as Mohan, Bali, Chibber, Dutt, Bakshi, Lav, Bimwal and Jhingran. After the partition, they migrated to India and settled in various parts of the nation.

However, despite their contributions in the redefining era of Islamic history, a number of Muslims in India and Pakistan fail to acknowledge them. They refrain from believing the narrative of the Mohyal community alleging that no Islamic author has claimed the same. However, Shia cleric based in Lahore, Maulana Hasan Zafar Naqvi, validates the fact that Mohyals had participated in the war of Karbala since they had good relations with Caliph Ali, the father of Imam Hussain.

Despite sharing a rich and varied history, the Hussaini Brahmins have somehow turned into a lost community and have remotely made their socio-religious presence felt. Amid situations where a Tajya procession in Muharram can cause a communal riot, both the communities should recall the martyrdom of Imam Hussain and sacrifice made up by Mohyals to safeguard his honour.

http://www.india.com/news/india/hus...ht-for-imam-hussain-in-war-of-karbala-655259/

That's a load of rubbish. Anyone who has done even an elementary study of Karbala and the martyrdom of Imam Hussain (ra) knows some guy who's smoked too much hashish invented this myth.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Janissaries

What's that suppose to mean? The Janissaries didn't even have kids(it was forbidden)

Anyways, let's keep on topic.

 

[shootingstar]

Hussaini brahmins of lahore is a myth.

And even if some of their ancestors were in iraq.. doesnt mean they are of same arab race does it?

Do you know queen of Mittani married the Egyptian pharaoh?

Was Princess Tadukhipa Of The Mitanni Kingdom Queen Nefertiti?
AncientPages.com | March 15, 2016 | Ancient Places, Civilizations, Featured Stories, News
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  The Ancient Kingdom Of Mitanni
  The Mitanni kingdom was referred to as the Maryannu, Nahrin or Mitanni by the Egyptians, the Hurri by the Hittites, and the Hanigalbat by the Assyrians.
  
  The ancient kingdom of Mitanni (Mittani) flourished between 1500 BC–1300 BC. in northern Syria and southeast Anatolia. Mitanni was one of several kingdoms and small states founded by the Indo-Iranians in Mesopotamia and Syria. In the year 1350 BCE Mitanni was powerful enough to be included in the ‘Great Powers Club’ along with Egypt, the Kingdom of the Hatti, Babylonia and Assyria.
  
  
  
  The Kingdom of Mittani, known to the people of the land, and the Assyrians, as Hanigalbat and to the Egyptians as Naharin and Metani, once stretched from present-day northern Iraq, down through Syria and into Turkey and was considered a great nation. Image credit: Ancient History Encyclopedia
  
  In his book, The A to Z of Mesopotamia, historian Gwendolyn Leick writes that “the population of Mitanni was predominantly Hurrian, but the ruling elites were Indo-European warriors who called themselves Mariannu and who worshipped deities with Vedic names such as Indar, Uruwana, and the collective Devas. This elite was to intermarry with the local population, as the names of their children testify.”
  
  
  In its early years, the Mitanni kingdom was competing with Egypt for control over Syria. Later, agreeable relations were established between Mitanni and the Egyptian king Thutmose IV (reigned 1425–17 bc).
  
  In its early years, the Mitanni kingdom was competing with Egypt for control over Syria. Later, agreeable relations were established between Mitanni and the Egyptian king Thutmose IV (reigned 1425–17 bc).
  
  One of the most outstanding Mitannian king was Saustatar (Shaushshatar; reigned c.1500–c.1450 bc), who is said to have looted the Assyrian palace in Ashur. The last independent king of Mitanni was Tushratta (died c. 1360 bc), under whose reign Wassukkani was sacked by the Hittite king Suppiluliumas I.
  
  Tadukhipa –Daughter Of Tushratta, King of Mitanni
  Tadukhipa was the daughter of Tushratta, king of Mitanni (reigned ca. 1382 BC–1342 BC) and his queen Juni. Not much is known about princess Tadukhipa. She is believed to have been born around Year 21 of the reign of Egyptian Pharaoh Amenhotep III, (c. 1366 BC).
  
  
  One of the “Amarna Letters” negotiating a marriage between Amenhotep III and Tushratta’s daughter Tadukhipa. Image credit: Wikipedia
  
  She is mentioned in seven of Tushratta’s thirteen Amarna letters, of about 1350-1340 BC. King Tushratta requested that his daughter would become a queen consort. However, Amenhotep III died shortly after Tadukhipa arrived in Egypt and she eventually married his son Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten).
  
  Was Tadukhipa Queen Nefertiti?
  Some scholars identify princess Tadukhipa with Kiya, a queen of Akhenaten. It has been suggested that the story of Kiya may be the source for the New Kingdom story called the Tale of Two Brothers.
  
  
  
  
  This fable tells the story of how the pharaoh fell in love with a beautiful foreign woman after smelling her hair.
  
  If Tadukhipa was later known as Kiya, then she would have lived at Amarna where she had her own sunshade and was depicted with the pharaoh and at least one daughter.
  
  Others such as Petrie, Drioton and Vandier have suggested that Tadukhipa was given a new name after becoming the consort of Akhenaten and is to be identified the famous queen Nefertiti.
  
  This theory suggests that Nefertiti’s name “the beautiful one has come” refers to Nefertiti’s foreign origin as Tadukhipa.
  
  Sereval historians have pointed out that Tey, wife of Ay, held the title of nurse to Nefertiti, and that this argues against this identification.
  
  A mature princess arriving in Egypt would not need a nurse.
  
  The exact date when Nefertiti married Amenhotep III’s son, the future pharaoh Amenhotep IV, is unknown. It is believed she was 15 when they wed, which may have been before Akhenaten assumed the throne.
  
  Nefertiti and her husband established the cult of Aten, the sun god. Today, a bust of Nefertiti is one of the most iconic symbols of Egypt.

http://www.ancientpages.com/2016/03...khipa-of-the-mitanni-kingdom-queen-nefertiti/

 

[Well.wisher]

Is it just me who finds a grammatical mistake in the thread title irritating ?
@BlueTopaz
how bout correcting the grammar mistake u bob nd vagene nation.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Do you know queen of Mittani married the Egyptian pharaoh?

Was Princess Tadukhipa Of The Mitanni Kingdom Queen Nefertiti?
AncientPages.com | March 15, 2016 | Ancient Places, Civilizations, Featured Stories, News
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View attachment 456039

• 
  The Ancient Kingdom Of Mitanni
  The Mitanni kingdom was referred to as the Maryannu, Nahrin or Mitanni by the Egyptians, the Hurri by the Hittites, and the Hanigalbat by the Assyrians.
  
  The ancient kingdom of Mitanni (Mittani) flourished between 1500 BC–1300 BC. in northern Syria and southeast Anatolia. Mitanni was one of several kingdoms and small states founded by the Indo-Iranians in Mesopotamia and Syria. In the year 1350 BCE Mitanni was powerful enough to be included in the ‘Great Powers Club’ along with Egypt, the Kingdom of the Hatti, Babylonia and Assyria.
  View attachment 456043
  The Kingdom of Mittani, known to the people of the land, and the Assyrians, as Hanigalbat and to the Egyptians as Naharin and Metani, once stretched from present-day northern Iraq, down through Syria and into Turkey and was considered a great nation. Image credit: Ancient History Encyclopedia
  
  In his book, The A to Z of Mesopotamia, historian Gwendolyn Leick writes that “the population of Mitanni was predominantly Hurrian, but the ruling elites were Indo-European warriors who called themselves Mariannu and who worshipped deities with Vedic names such as Indar, Uruwana, and the collective Devas. This elite was to intermarry with the local population, as the names of their children testify.”View attachment 456044
  In its early years, the Mitanni kingdom was competing with Egypt for control over Syria. Later, agreeable relations were established between Mitanni and the Egyptian king Thutmose IV (reigned 1425–17 bc).
  
  In its early years, the Mitanni kingdom was competing with Egypt for control over Syria. Later, agreeable relations were established between Mitanni and the Egyptian king Thutmose IV (reigned 1425–17 bc).
  
  One of the most outstanding Mitannian king was Saustatar (Shaushshatar; reigned c.1500–c.1450 bc), who is said to have looted the Assyrian palace in Ashur. The last independent king of Mitanni was Tushratta (died c. 1360 bc), under whose reign Wassukkani was sacked by the Hittite king Suppiluliumas I.
  
  Tadukhipa –Daughter Of Tushratta, King of Mitanni
  Tadukhipa was the daughter of Tushratta, king of Mitanni (reigned ca. 1382 BC–1342 BC) and his queen Juni. Not much is known about princess Tadukhipa. She is believed to have been born around Year 21 of the reign of Egyptian Pharaoh Amenhotep III, (c. 1366 BC).View attachment 456055
  One of the “Amarna Letters” negotiating a marriage between Amenhotep III and Tushratta’s daughter Tadukhipa. Image credit: Wikipedia
  
  She is mentioned in seven of Tushratta’s thirteen Amarna letters, of about 1350-1340 BC. King Tushratta requested that his daughter would become a queen consort. However, Amenhotep III died shortly after Tadukhipa arrived in Egypt and she eventually married his son Amenhotep IV (Akhenaten).
  
  Was Tadukhipa Queen Nefertiti?
  Some scholars identify princess Tadukhipa with Kiya, a queen of Akhenaten. It has been suggested that the story of Kiya may be the source for the New Kingdom story called the Tale of Two Brothers.
  View attachment 456056
  
  This fable tells the story of how the pharaoh fell in love with a beautiful foreign woman after smelling her hair.
  
  If Tadukhipa was later known as Kiya, then she would have lived at Amarna where she had her own sunshade and was depicted with the pharaoh and at least one daughter.
  
  Others such as Petrie, Drioton and Vandier have suggested that Tadukhipa was given a new name after becoming the consort of Akhenaten and is to be identified the famous queen Nefertiti.
  
  This theory suggests that Nefertiti’s name “the beautiful one has come” refers to Nefertiti’s foreign origin as Tadukhipa.
  
  Sereval historians have pointed out that Tey, wife of Ay, held the title of nurse to Nefertiti, and that this argues against this identification.
  
  A mature princess arriving in Egypt would not need a nurse.
  
  The exact date when Nefertiti married Amenhotep III’s son, the future pharaoh Amenhotep IV, is unknown. It is believed she was 15 when they wed, which may have been before Akhenaten assumed the throne.
  
  Nefertiti and her husband established the cult of Aten, the sun god. Today, a bust of Nefertiti is one of the most iconic symbols of Egypt.

http://www.ancientpages.com/2016/03...khipa-of-the-mitanni-kingdom-queen-nefertiti/

Indo aryan is a linguistic group not a race..

Screw that.. you arent even indo european speaker.. let alone aryan... let alone Iranic... you are a tamil nadu dravidian... Aboriginal.

Is it just me who finds a grammatical mistake in the thread title irritating ?
@BlueTopaz
how bout correcting the grammar mistake u bob nd vagene nation.

@BlueTopaz type “Tamil people” in google images and this is the result;

Dont look Iranian or Iranic to me!

 

[newb3e]

Is it just me who finds a grammatical mistake in the thread title irritating ?
@BlueTopaz
how bout correcting the grammar mistake u bob nd vagene nation.

Savage!!!!

 

[AMG_12]

no matter how hard you try messing up history, you were born a gangadeshi and you going to live a gangadeshi.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Yeah same race, even Indian are purest
Iranian

Indian

See no difference.

Agreed with you bro, Iranians and Indians are completely different races.

Pakistani woman:

Indian woman:

Pakistanis and Indians have nothing in common as well.

 

[patman]

India is a sub continent of its own right