Are desi muslims confused about their origins and where they belong?

[Zaalim]

Indians are our former slaves. They have just gained their freedom after 1000 years. With this freedom they are like sheep that has lost it's shepherd. So what we see as obsession might just be a cry for help to it's master.

 

[janon]

I'm not trolling or hating on other people but can you tell me what a Pakistani Punjabi has in common with a South Indian Tamil etc?

Well first can you tell me what an Indian Punjabi has in common with an Indian Tamilian? (Other than nationality of course.)

Culturally, an Indian and Pakistani Punjabi would share more between them than an Indian Punjabi and Indian Tamilian would. It is meaningless to even talk about one pan Indian identity. There are many, many cultures and languages and traditions in India.

 

[haviZsultan]

Well I am still thinking how he got the job even though he studied at a madrassah because these people usually go on to become Imams etc.

Is madrassah education accredited with the Indian education board? @SarthakGanguly

There should be some sort of Academy or school for imams, muslim leaders and students. It should tell them what to say and not to say. How to avoid tyranical speeches and talk about freedom and equal rights. I have never heard a mullah talk about human rights, minority rights and egalitarianism.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Well I am still thinking how he got the job even though he studied at a madrassah because these people usually go on to become Imams etc.

Is madrassah education accredited with the Indian education board? @SarthakGanguly

Yes, it is.

He completed his education in Kendriya Vidhyalaya due to a scholarship. That certainly helped. Besides, Madrassa boards also produced good scholars. Not all become Imams. In any case, he is Hindu...so I guess that disqualifies him.

Yes, a few Hindus study in Madrassas - either for poverty, or due to unavailability. This has changed of course, with the Right to Education and more schools in the remotest corners of the country. Otherwise there were mostly Christian convents in the hard to reach areas of India.

 

[KingMamba]

Do you know that

the only Hindu pligrimage center in Pakistan is in Baluchistan (Hinglaj Mata Mandir).

So what? People moved all the time when there were no border it is not shocking that there would be Hindus in Baluchistan. There are even a few Hindus in Afghanistan even Sikhs.

Panini wrote Astadhyayi (Sanskrit grammar) in current K-P province.

What does Panini have to do with India? He was born in Gandhara and wrote Sanskrit from within modern Pakistan. If anything he belongs to Pakistan before India.

Kabul, until invasion of Mohommad Ghaznavi was ruled by HinduShahi/Kabulshahi, a Rajput dynasty.

Hindushahis was one of the few local Pakistani dynasties. Again they have nothing to do with India.

So You were saying that that Western Pakistan was never India!

Western Pakistan was only attached to the rest of South Asia either when they came and conquered it or were conquered by people coming from it.

Yes. Its different for Pakistanis and Indians away from the subcontinent. I guess it feels nice to breathe normally in neutral air.

Not necessarily, Hindus who visited Pakistan have always come back with a positive experience. Likewise Pakistanis who visited India usually come back with a positive experience only recently Hindutvas have tried to make problems for some Pakistani visiting India.

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

Do you know that

the only Hindu pligrimage center in Pakistan is in Baluchistan (Hinglaj Mata Mandir).

Or

Panini wrote Astadhyayi (Sanskrit grammar) in current K-P province.

Or

Kabul, until invasion of Mohommad Ghaznavi was ruled by HinduShahi/Kabulshahi, a Rajput dynasty.



So You were saying that that Western Pakistan was never India!

What does india has to do with rajput dynasty?
India is just an ordinary country which came into existence on 15 august 1947. Infact the name "india" itself was introduced by british when they came here in subcontinent. No one before them call themselves Indian.
Before india there were many empires who ruled South Asia, and you have no right to claim them as indian.

 

[desibaba83]

There should be some sort of Academy or school for imams, muslim leaders and students. It should tell them what to say and not to say. How to avoid tyranical speeches and talk about freedom and equal rights. I have never heard a mullah talk about human rights, minority rights and egalitarianism.

If you look at any country poverty and religion go hand in hand. Its the same in Pakistan or even in poor south american countries like Mexico or Bolivia. Even though I was born in a Sunni Muslim family I think of myself as a athiest because the whole concept of people believing in a God and his messengers like Jesus or Mohammad seems like nonsense to me. But the poor and the weak need something (any religion) to believe in because it gives them hope.

 

[Nilesh Singh]

I AM PAKISTANI AND I AM PROUD TO BE PAKISTANI. I HAVE IN NO WAY ANY SIMILARITY TO YOU TOILET LESS INDIAN. THIS CRISIS WILL BE OVER AS SOON AS YOU ACCEPT THAT ITS YOU WHO IS SUFFERING NOT PAKISTANIS. NO AKHAND BHARAT SORRY IT NEVER WILL HAPPEN.

What a cartoon

 

[Menace2Society]

Pakistan is a culmination of a millennial long struggle for the Western sub continent to have its own identity.

For a collective to achieve nation status and then develop nuclear weapons and international sporting success is extraordinary.

Sometimes you don't need a reason to form a nation, it just happens because a lot of people think the same way. Its an ideological difference and religion is just an excuse. Jinnah could have happily stayed in his role and probably would have got a key position in government after British withdrawal but he didn't and million traveled and millions died for the cause.

 

[gubbi]

Pakistan is a culmination of a millennial long struggle for the Western sub continent to have its own identity.

For a collective to achieve nation status and then develop nuclear weapons and international sporting success is extraordinary.

Sometimes you don't need a reason to form a nation, it just happens because a lot of people think the same way. Its an ideological difference and religion is just an excuse. Jinnah could have happily stayed in his role and probably would have got a key position in government after British withdrawal but he didn't and million traveled and millions died for the cause.

Just some fodder to ponder over.....
Substitute Israel in place of Pakistan, and David Ben-Gurion for Jinnah. Would you notice any difference for your justification?

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

If you look at any country poverty and religion go hand in hand. Its the same in Pakistan or even in poor south american countries like Mexico or Bolivia. Even though I was born in a Sunni Muslim family I think of myself as a athiest because the whole concept of people believing in a God and his messengers like Jesus or Mohammad seems like nonsense to me. But the poor and the weak need something (any religion) to believe in because it gives them hope.

If you believe yourself athiest then why were you keep on saying that you are muslim?

What a cartoon

Hey have you been exposed to nitrous oxide for quite a long or you are just an ordinary looney toon of cartoon network.

 

[Menace2Society]

Just some fodder to ponder over.....
Substitute Israel in place of Pakistan, and David Ben-Gurion for Jinnah. Would you notice any difference for your justification?

Israelis have the right to their own country and so do Palestinians. However Palestinians have not shown capability of becoming a nation. Israelis have and even with unnatural sums of money pumped in its still noteworthy. They are brutal though, completely and utterly morally bankrupt.

 

[desibaba83]

If you believe yourself athiest then why were you keep on saying that you are muslim?

I never said that. I said I come from a Sunni Muslim family.

 

[jamahir]

Israelis have the right to their own country and so do Palestinians. However Palestinians have not shown capability of becoming a nation. Israelis have and even with unnatural sums of money pumped in its still noteworthy. They are brutal though, completely and utterly morally bankrupt.

the palestinians have had to fight an internal enemy, the mullahs of hamas and ij... it is these traitors who kept the palestinians busy fighting inside and not adopting real solutions from outside.

and guess who created/supported/installed hamas??

 

[Pakistani shaheens]

I never said that. I said I come from a Sunni Muslim family.

But still i dont get one thing, we Pakistanis dont care much about the sects, we just call our self muslims.
But i am really shocked to see that a person who was saying i was born in Pakistan yet telling his sect again and again. Why?