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Are Christians Safe in Muslim Lands? Honestly?

Sheer insanity starting with 911 and ever since then.

AE, Sir,

The insanity did not start with 9/11. Far from it. The insanity has been brewing ever since the end of WWII and the end of colonialism in Muslim lands. Muslims expected that their newly independent nations would thrive, especially since they are true believers and Allah must be on their side. However, the dark side of human nature played out in dictatorships, flirtations with socialism, Baathism, etc. So, terrible disappointment set in and a deep yearning for the times of the Prophet and his direct contemporaries and immediate descendants when Muslim lands were rightly ruled arose in hopes of regaining the lost 7th century glory. Israel became the new symbol of colonialism and proof of Muslim failure to secure Dar al-Islam from the hated kuffar. 9/11 was merely the event that made the majority of us (the USA) aware that some devout Muslims had declared war on us, long ago.
 
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Egypt Christians mark mournful Christmas Eve Mass

(AP) – 1 hour ago

CAIRO (AP) — Egypt's Christians packed churches Thursday for mournful Christmas Eve Masses, weeping and donning black in place of colorful holiday clothes, under a heavy security cordon by police, fearing another attack like the New Year's suicide bombing of a church that killed 21 people.

At church gates around Cairo, police and church staff checked the IDs of those entering — and their wrists, where many Egyptian Christians bear the tattoo of a cross.

Al-Qaida in Iraq had threatened Christians in Iraq and Egypt in the weeks leading up to the holidays and Saturday's deadly bombing. Militant websites have even posted names and addresses of churches in Egypt to target, raising fears of a follow-up attack on celebrations of the Orthodox Christmas, which Egypt's Coptic Christian minority marks on Friday.

The beefed-up police presence also appeared aimed at addressing Christians' fury over what they say is the government's failure to protect them and its ignoring of anti-Christian sentiment among Egypt's Muslim majority. The bombing sparked days of fierce clashes between Copts and police.

In that vein, state TV gave heavy coverage to the Christmas Eve Mass to promote a sense of unity. As it has in past years, the service at Cairo's Coptic Cathedral, the seat of the Church, was being broadcast live, along with Pope Shenouda III's sermon.

But this year, the ceremony was preceded by a live discussion by a team of prominent TV hosts and newscasters, all dressed in black, standing on the cathedral steps and speaking of the bonds between Muslims and Christians. A tiny logo of an intersecting cross and crescent was set in the corner of the screen. Christmas was declared a national holiday several years ago, in a nod by the government to inclusiveness.

"Today, I don't say I'm Muslim or I'm Christian," one of hosts pronounced. "I say, I'm Egyptian."

Muslims attended services at some churches around Cairo as a show of solidarity, getting permission from church officials ahead of time to get through police limiting access to Christians. "I wanted to do anything," said Hanan Mahfouz, a young woman in a Muslim headscarf holding a candle during a Mass in a church in the Cairo suburb of Maadi. "Coming here seemed like the least I could do."

But healing was hard to come by. Many Christians see the attack as proof of anti-Christian hatreds among Muslims and they day the state does little to address the sentiment despite the professions of unity repeated after any instance of violence.

"Some Muslims are good people," said Raymonda Ramzy, a 45-year-old worshipper dressed in black entering Mass at the main Coptic Church in the Cairo district of Giza. "But even on my way here, a couple of young men shouted at me, 'God take you all and rid us of you.'"


While some Christians worried about attending services for fear of attack, she said, "I never hesitated. I wish I could die in church."

Egypt's Coptic Christian minority makes up 10 percent of Egypt's 80 million people but complains of widespread discrimination they say relegates them to second-class citizen status. There has been growing anti-Christian violence in past years, mostly shootings or clashes between Christians and Muslims in villages.

Saturday's bombing was the deadliest in a decade — and was qualitatively different, the first ever such suicide bombing targeting Christians, raising concern that al-Qaida may have a role, though investigators suspect a homegrown group likely carried it out. The blast hit a crowd of worshippers leaving a midnight Mass at the Saints Church in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria, killing 21 and wounding nearly 100.

In the southern province of Minya, a worker at a church on Thursday found a small explosive device packed with nails and fireworks planted under the building's stairs, a security official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media. He said the device appeared to have been put there to "test security measures."

At the Saints Church in Alexandria, a double line of riot police stood at each end of the street. A stream of black-clad worshippers flowed in and bells rang as Mass began. Blood splatters remained on some of the walls inside. Police or church staffers asked those entering to show either a cross tattoo or an ID, which denote religion, to prove they were Christian.

Around two dozen Muslims held a solidarity gathering a street away from the Saints Church — kept back by police. They held signs reading "no to terrorism, yes to citizenship" and "long live the cross and the crescent."

Across the country, police were preventing vehicles from parking near churches. The Interior Ministry asked church officials to prevent crowds from gathering in front of churches after Mass — apparently to avoid providing a large target for attack, but perhaps also to avoid a new outbreak of protests. At the Cairo cathedral, security officers with walkie-talkies fanned out across the streets surrounding the cathedral, and metal detectors were set up at the entrances.

Turnout at churches appeared heavy, but at many of the normally festive services, a somber mood reigned. At the main Giza church, no flowers or red carpet were laid out at the entrance as they usually are for the holiday, and women and children who would normally be decked out in festive holiday colors wore black.

The front pew at a church in the Cairo district of Omraniya was filled with prominent Muslims from the neighborhood. Women in Islamic headscarves sat near Christian women in the headcoverings they don in church. Many women sobbed heavily during the service. Omraniya was the scene of fierce Christian riots in November that left two dead, sparked when police stopped construction work at the church.

"This is the way our Egypt climbs new heights and become prosperous," Father Hanna said in his sermon of the Muslims' presence. "We thank our brethren who came to share with us the joy of our feast, and the pain we feel over."

But many Copts remained deeply bitter and skeptical that the bloody attack would really bring change.

"It's worse than before," said Marina Sammy, a young woman at the Saints Church whose family owns a store in Alexandria. "The events haven't improved attitudes at all. We've been attacked and insulted and our store windows were broken. There's no security at all."


Diana Maher, at the Giza church, acknowledged the attempts to heal the rifts. But she said her own feelings toward Muslims had become stained with resentment and suspicion.

"At work, my Muslim colleagues and I say hello," she said. "But the first day back after the attack, I avoided them."

The Associated Press: Egypt Christians mark mournful Christmas Eve Mass
 
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Honestly NO and as the US aggression against Islamic world go on and on they are definitely going to be least safe.

Hold US and Zionist and safety will return to them.
 
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Honestly NO and as the US aggression against Islamic world go on and on they are definitely going to be least safe.

Hold US and Zionist and safety will return to them.

You are a dreamer. Safety will return when they have been driven out of Muslim lands, is that what you want?
 
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Are Muslims safe in the Muslim land? Honestly?

A terrorist is terrorist not for Christians or Hindus or Muslims but for them all at the same time. What angle are you trying to give here? Why don't you ask about "if humans are safe in Muslim land" then answer is YES but if you ask are "humans safe in the terrorists land" the answer is no and that terrorist land could be Srilanka, India, USA or any other part of the world you may think so irrespective of religion they follow.
 
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You are a dreamer. Safety will return when they have been driven out of Muslim lands, is that what you want?

It's because of you *******that they are becoming more and more unsafe. Get your sheet out of Afghanistan n Iraq and see the change. They are safe there for last 15 centuries. What they are suffering now is your own gift to them as you redialize the society by creating the bloody mess in Islamic world.
 
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by creating the bloody mess in Islamic world.

The "Islamic world" has done that all by itself. What is happening is caused 100% by the people who live there or have traveled there for jihad. Blaming Americans and Israelis is a bogus "feel good" excuse to absolve yourselves of your responsibility for the "bloody mess" you are creating for the whole world.
 
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what about christians in hindu land???

Will Obama Ask India to End Hindu Terror Against Christians?

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When President Obama visits India next month, should he raise the issue of ‘Hindu terrorism’ against Christians, Muslims and other minorities, particularly members of what were once known as the ‘untouchables?’ Is there, in fact, a major problem with Hindu terrorism – and should this be part of the ‘war on terror’? Rather than focusing on Afghanistan, bilateral trade and the U.S.-India nuclear agreement, columnist Zaheerul Hassan of Pakistan’s Pak Tribune implores President Obama to stand up for the victims of the ‘Hindu’s holocaust.’

Will Obama Ask India to End Hindu Terror Against Christians?: Pak Tribune, Pakistan | The Moderate Voice
 
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what about christians in hindu land???

Will Obama Ask India to End Hindu Terror Against Christians?

india.christians.protest.caption_pic.jpeg


When President Obama visits India next month, should he raise the issue of ‘Hindu terrorism’ against Christians, Muslims and other minorities, particularly members of what were once known as the ‘untouchables?’ Is there, in fact, a major problem with Hindu terrorism – and should this be part of the ‘war on terror’? Rather than focusing on Afghanistan, bilateral trade and the U.S.-India nuclear agreement, columnist Zaheerul Hassan of Pakistan’s Pak Tribune implores President Obama to stand up for the victims of the ‘Hindu’s holocaust.’

Will Obama Ask India to End Hindu Terror Against Christians?: Pak Tribune, Pakistan | The Moderate Voice

lol don't change the subject we arent indians
 
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I can't speak for Iraq but I do know that most Christians are safe in Pakistan as I'm half Christian myself. Yes there are religious fanatics but that's more in the rural areas. Minorities are 100% safe in urban cities.

You are not born Christian anymore then you are born Muslim. They are not Racial traits. The term "Christian" pretty much means one like Christ. A true Christian is one that follows the teachings of Jesus with Their whole heart. There are many who think they are Christian but live a wicked life style. these people are deluding themselves.
 
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I can't speak for Iraq but I do know that most Christians are safe in Pakistan as I'm half Christian myself. Yes there are religious fanatics but that's more in the rural areas. Minorities are 100% safe in urban cities.

You cannot be half Muslim/half Christian/half Jew. Either you are fully it or you are not.
 
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I think Christians enjoy good living in most Muslim countries aside from Saudi Arabia where there are strict rules for best of muslims even.

Religious killing , or killing of anyone is illegal and those who commit such crimes are not muslims but misguided people.

In general minorities are always the ones that suffer in any majority so its a universal trend
Which is why I love dicatorship as its equallly damadgeing to both majority and minorities :victory:

Oh Lor'! The "No true Scotsman....." fallacy.
 
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