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Should the Arab world, in particular the GCC, increase its ties with Indonesia and South East Asia?

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There are approximately 5 million Indonesians of Arab ancestry, mainly originating from Hijaz and Yemen (Hadhramaut).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Indonesians

https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Indonesia

Suku Arab-Indonesia

Tuanku Imam Bonjol
Habib Ali Kwitang
Raden Saleh Bustaman
Habib Abubakar Syahab

Hasan Gipo
Sultan Hamid II
Abdurrahman Baswedan
Ali Alatas

H. Mutahar
Habib Luthfi bin Yahya
Quraish Shihab
Marie Muhammad

Christine Hakim
Fadel Muhammad al-Haddar
Salim Segaf Al-Jufri
Ahmad Albar

Some Arab-Indonesians.


Najwa Shihab:



Asha Shara:


Rahma Sarita Al-Jufri:


Fessy Farizqoh Alwi Assegaf:
 
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Asyifa Latief, Miss Indonesia 2010:



Lula Kamal:



Ashanty Siddik:



Nabila Azhar:

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Sahila Hisyam:



Tsania Marwa:



Nabila Syakieb:



Afifa Syahira:



Asmirandah Zantman:



Arab-Indonesian actresses:

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Asha Syara:



Here is an article in Bahasa about Arab-Indonesian actresses:

https://www.brilio.net/selebritis/1...ntiknya-bikin-cowok-enggan-kedip-1611291.html

:enjoy:

Long live the ancient Arab-Indonesian friendship and brotherhood.
 
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The SC said:
Very nice thread..
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I am sure that many people have wondered how come Indonesia (largest Muslim nation in the world measured by population), Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore (Muslims in Singapore) are followers of the Shafi'i mashhad. Well, this is due in large part to Muslim-Indonesian interaction having mainly occurred between Arabian (from Yemen and Hijaz mainly but not only) and Indonesian (Indonesia is a very diverse country with numerous ethnic groups, languages, cultures etc. spanning from Papuans to Sumatrans in Aceh) sailors, merchants, explorers, religious scholars, Sufi saints etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafi'i

https://muhibaddeen.com/courses-res...distinguishing-features-of-the-shafii-school/




Also many people don't realize this but a lot of Saudi Arabians (nationals) have Indonesian/Malaysian/South East Asian origin (partial and non-partial). Especially in the cities of Hijaz (Makkah, Madinah, Ta'if, Yanbu, Jeddah etc.) There have been numerous famous scholars from South East Asia originally for instance.

My dear friend @Indos who has unfortunately gone missing, could add a lot to this thread as he used to do whenever such discussions occurred.

We (Arabs) must further strengthen the ties between us and South East Asia on all fronts, not only economically. We need to strengthen this deep historic bond/relationship that is not just limited to religion. Therefore the historic visit of King Salman to Indonesia was a blessing in disguise and a great reason for happiness.
 
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Indeed..That is exactly how I saw King Salman's visit to Malaysia, Indonesia and other South Asian Muslim countries.. I think the links should be strengthened and the visits made more frequent..
 
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The SC said:
Indeed..That is exactly how I saw King Salman's visit to Malaysia, Indonesia and other Muslim South Asian Muslim countries.. I think the links should be strengthened and the visits made more frequent..
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There is a lot of people to people relations in fact. The largest Indonesian/South East Asian diaspora in the world is located in the GCC. Many Indonesians and other South East Asians have been settling in the Arab world since even pre-Islamic times due to the ancient sea trade. Similarly (more so in fact) the other way around. There are frequent visits among clergy, students (should be a greater number), business people, scholars of various professions etc. A lot of Arab tourists are visiting Malaysia in particular. However this relationship can always become much more improved. I am sure that geography has a lot to say here. If Indonesia/South East Asia was located a bit closer this relationship would have been even greater.

I have always felt that Arabs and South East Asians (Indonesians, Malaysians, Bruneians etc.) have had a very cordial relationship as a people and we share a lot of things in common. Not only talking about the large Arab diaspora in South East Asia of which many have intermarried with locals nowadays (understandable).

Anyway the aim should be for the leaderships in power to increase ties on all fronts but in particular economic, military, people to-people relations (social) and educational/scientific cooperation.

Indonesia for instance is a country that a lot of Arab nations can learn from. They have their challenges but they are on the right track.

As a side note, I am going to finally visit Indonesia (very likely) in January which I am looking forward to a lot.


In Indonesian (2.4 million views!)


BTW Indonesia should become an observer state in the Arab League like other nations with large Arab diasporas are (Brazil for instance). This would be a symbolic gesture but a clear one indicating the historic ties. Such a thing should/would (hopefully) increase economic etc. cooperation as I mentioned earlier, which should become a priority as it would be in the interests of both parties and their peoples.



 
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If you go to Indonesia, you will get the best massage in the world..So some friends told me..
And you are right that was what I meant by strengthening ties on all levels.. both Indonesia and Malaysia are quite industrialised and both are working hard to advance..yes indeed they are on the right track and win/win projects between Arabs (mainly the GCC but others also) are already implemented while other projects are being worked out..
 
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The SC said:
If you go to Indonesia, you will get the best massage in the world..So some friends told me..
And you are right that was what I meant by strengthening ties on all levels.. both Indonesia and Malaysia are quite industrialised and both are working hard to advance..yes indeed they are on the right track and win/win projects between Arabs (mainly the GCC but others also) are already implemented while other projects are being worked out..
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Indonesia is a beautiful country (there can be no doubt about that) with very hospitable and friendly people.

About that massage thing, is that not mostly a Thai speciality or am I wrong here?:lol: Just joking.

Definitely. Both those countries (not including tiny and oil-rich Brunei here) have done tremendously well lately.

Exactly. However it should not be limited to the GCC despite the somewhat closer ties (Yemen, Hijaz etc.) but extended to the entire Arab world. In particular the likes of Iraq, Egypt etc.

We need to adopt a similar policy in regards to South Asia, Sahel, East Africa (Swahili coastline in particular), Horn of Africa, Latin America, the Arab diaspora in the West (which I believe is somehow ignored or at least neglected - should not be the case considering the huge number) and other regions of the world. The immediate neighborhood should take priority for obvious reasons but the worldview should not be limited or clouded. I believe that it is essential to forge close bonds to peoples and nations that we have historic ties to. Whether those nations are majority Muslim or not should not be alpha and omega. For instance I would not mind much closer ties with the likes of Spain, Portugal, Malta, Italy etc. After all those countries are direct neighbors with whom we have many ties to (historic) as well on several fronts.

However I want to emphasis, in particular, the importance of focusing on developing regions (similarly as the Arab world) with large and growing populations (once again similar to our part of the world) such as South East Asia, South Asia, Africa, Latin America, China etc. This is where the future is located and being located between Asia, Africa and Europe (basically the geographic center of the world) we should take advantage of all this in particular given all the deep historical ties with those various regions.

I know that history is not everything but history can be used as a powerful tool in order to forge, restore or increase current political relations and for raising awareness among various populations.

BTW if I am not wrong we have an Arab-South East Asian mixture on this very forum (PDF). Talk about the world being a small place. @mahatir I believe, is half Emirati and half Malaysian if I am not wrong. It would be interesting to hear his views and see if he is able to add something additional to this thread.
 
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I heard it is even better that Thai massage.. very different and goes with the extremely beautiful landscapes of Islands in Indonesia.. I've heard it was something out of this world :man_in_love:

Royal families are quite close, and the people from both sides appreciate each other, mostly when Arabs know that they are dealing with Muslims.. because one can easily take most of Indonesians and Malaysians for Chinese, Vietnamese...etc..
There is a huge Arab effort directed at Africa right now, from Morocco to Egypt, the aim is to bring back Africa to its Arab African brothers.. since Usrael has messed up things there.. South Africa for example has just threatened to cut its already tense diplomatic ties with Usrael for many reasons, Palestine is one of them..and some African Muslim countries (at least two that i know of) are opening embassies in Usrael.. all of this in an attempt to contain the latter..Africa is a huge market, and some countries have started developing well.. China is very present since a long time.. and it started in the intelligence field to counter Usrael too (believe it or not), and that because the Mossad who is the tip of Western intelligence agencies in Africa was sabotaging Chinese efforts to help African nations.. so they started following it everywhere in Africa.. but some damage was already done when the closest Arab countries to African nations were kept busy with wars and conflicts..A good example is the Ethiopian Nahda Dam that threatens Egypt's survival.. it was decided 50 years ago. exactly in 1967.. and we know that the Usraeli attack on Egypt and most Arab countries in the region did happen in that year too..
Hence we see today the revival of the old Arab-African ties in all fields..
As for South America, the closest Arab nations to it are Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Egypt.. in fact all Arab nations have good ties with most of South America..

For developing closer ties with the the South East Asian countries, Arabs need to focus on maritime trade again and build huge commercial as well as military navies to create a permanent link between the two sides..
 
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Sharif al-Hijaz said:
There are approximately 5 million Indonesians of Arab ancestry, mainly originating from Hijaz and Yemen (Hadhramaut).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Indonesians

https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Indonesia

Suku Arab-Indonesia

Tuanku Imam Bonjol
Habib Ali Kwitang
Raden Saleh Bustaman
Habib Abubakar Syahab

Hasan Gipo
Sultan Hamid II
Abdurrahman Baswedan
Ali Alatas

H. Mutahar
Habib Luthfi bin Yahya
Quraish Shihab
Marie Muhammad

Christine Hakim
Fadel Muhammad al-Haddar
Salim Segaf Al-Jufri
Ahmad Albar

Some Arab-Indonesians.


Najwa Shihab:



Asha Shara:


Rahma Sarita Al-Jufri:


Fessy Farizqoh Alwi Assegaf:
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Those are hijaziettes and Yemenis..did they get a face transplant?
 
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Sharif al-Hijaz said:
Indonesia is a beautiful country (there can be no doubt about that) with very hospitable and friendly people.

About that massage thing, is that not mostly a Thai speciality or am I wrong here?:lol: Just joking.

Definitely. Both those countries (not including tiny and oil-rich Brunei here) have done tremendously well lately.

Exactly. However it should not be limited to the GCC despite the somewhat closer ties (Yemen, Hijaz etc.) but extended to the entire Arab world. In particular the likes of Iraq, Egypt etc.

We need to adopt a similar policy in regards to South Asia, Sahel, East Africa (Swahili coastline in particular), Horn of Africa, Latin America, the Arab diaspora in the West (which I believe is somehow ignored or at least neglected - should not be the case considering the huge number) and other regions of the world. The immediate neighborhood should take priority for obvious reasons but the worldview should not be limited or clouded. I believe that it is essential to forge close bonds to peoples and nations that we have historic ties to. Whether those nations are majority Muslim or not should not be alpha and omega. For instance I would not mind much closer ties with the likes of Spain, Portugal, Malta, Italy etc. After all those countries are direct neighbors with whom we have many ties to (historic) as well on several fronts.

However I want to emphasis, in particular, the importance of focusing on developing regions (similarly as the Arab world) with large and growing populations (once again similar to our part of the world) such as South East Asia, South Asia, Africa, Latin America, China etc. This is where the future is located and being located between Asia, Africa and Europe (basically the geographic center of the world) we should take advantage of all this in particular given all the deep historical ties with those various regions.

I know that history is not everything but history can be used as a powerful tool in order to forge, restore or increase current political relations and for raising awareness among various populations.

BTW if I am not wrong we have an Arab-South East Asian mixture on this very forum (PDF). Talk about the world being a small place. @mahatir I believe, is half Emirati and half Malaysian if I am not wrong. It would be interesting to hear his views and see if he is able to add something additional to this thread.
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I have some relatives from Malaysia but I am Arab , only my Grandmother's mother is from Malaysia.

The success of countries like Malaysia and Indonesia comes from the fact they embraced diversity , free market principles , rule of law , accepted religious freedom and stayed away from sectarianism .

Indonesia official mutto is " unity in diversity "
 
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Ceylal said:
Those are hijaziettes and Yemenis..did they get a face transplant?
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Can't you read? Or have you ever heard about different ethnic groups mixing with the local majority population after such a long period of time?

Speaking about transplants, you should volunteer for a brain transplant as soon as such a possibility becomes available.

Many of those individuals mentioned or posted in this thread have an obvious Arab appearance, retain their Arabic surnames, distinct culture and often times language or religious practices. Just ask any random Indonesian in particular one from Java or Sumatra (cities). Those who do not look fully Arab are obviously Arab-Indonesian mixtures which most of the Arab-Indonesian community is. Completely normal after so long a time. However there are still a significant number of "pure" Arab-Indonesians which are more recent arrivals from mainly Yemen. Just ask some of the Indonesian users here @Indos @anas_nurhafidz etc.

Also stop trolling almost every thread. It's getting tiring. The moderators are sleeping as usual.

The SC said:
I heard it is even better that Thai massage.. very different and goes with the extremely beautiful landscapes of Islands in Indonesia.. I've heard it was something out of this world :man_in_love:

Royal families are quite close, and the people from both sides appreciate each other, mostly when Arabs know that they are dealing with Muslims.. because one can easily take most of Indonesians and Malaysians for Chinese, Vietnamese...etc..
There is a huge Arab effort directed at Africa right now, from Morocco to Egypt, the aim is to bring back Africa to its Arab African brothers.. since Usrael has messed up things there.. South Africa for example has just threatened to cut its already tense diplomatic ties with Usrael for many reasons, Palestine is one of them..and some African Muslim countries (at least two that i know of) are opening embassies in Usrael.. all of this in an attempt to contain the latter..Africa is a huge market, and some countries have started developing well.. China is very present since a long time.. and it started in the intelligence field to counter Usrael too (believe it or not), and that because the Mossad who is the tip of Western intelligence agencies in Africa was sabotaging Chinese efforts to help African nations.. so they started following it everywhere in Africa.. but some damage was already done when the closest Arab countries to African nations were kept busy with wars and conflicts..A good example is the Ethiopian Nahda Dam that threatens Egypt's survival.. it was decided 50 years ago. exactly in 1967.. and we know that the Usraeli attack on Egypt and most Arab countries in the region did happen in that year too..
Hence we see today the revival of the old Arab-African ties in all fields..
As for South America, the closest Arab nations to it are Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Egypt.. in fact all Arab nations have good ties with most of South America..

For developing closer ties with the the South East Asian countries, Arabs need to focus on maritime trade again and build huge commercial as well as military navies to create a permanent link between the two sides..
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Sounds exciting for sure. I am happy about our increased ties with Africa (Sahel, Horn of Africa, Swahili coastline, East Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa, West Africa etc.). I want this to cover Latin America, South East Asia, South Asia and China aside from Southern Europe. Caucasus would not be too bad either. All those regions have what I mentioned in post 9 in common in regards to Arabs and the Arab world. Caucasus is the least important here (by far) due to a small size, small populations, small economies etc. but I do like that region of the Middle East, in particular Georgia, Dagestan, Adyghe heartlands etc.

Anyway well articulated post and I agree with it.

mahatir said:
I have some relatives from Malaysia but I am Arab , only my Grandmother's mother is from Malaysia.

The success of countries like Malaysia and Indonesia comes from the fact they embraced diversity , free market principles , rule of law , accepted religious freedom and stayed away from sectarianism .

Indonesia official mutto is " unity in diversity "
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Sorry, I thought that you were half Malaysian hence the username and flag. Well, it's interesting that this mixing occurred before the independence of UAE. I was not aware of South East Asians having settled in modern-day UAE. I thought that this was mostly confined to Hijaz. In any case it just confirms the old ties between Arabia and South East Asia that I alluded to earlier in this thread.
 
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@dumbass, sharif el margaz, a picture is worth a 1000 words...And theses pictures talk loudly that they not freaking Arabs...Arabs and particularly the Sauds are ugly in their behaviors, manners, educations, and the looks goes with it...so stop pretending what you are not...
 
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Ceylal said:
@dumbass, sharif el margaz, a picture is worth a 1000 words...And theses pictures talk loudly that they not freaking Arabs...Arabs and particularly the Sauds are ugly in their behaviors, manners, educations, and the looks goes with it...so stop pretending what you are not...
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History, DNA, ground realities etc. do not lie nor are millions of people inventing their own ancestry out of the blue you retarded piece of shit. Your barking here is irrelevant. Everything is confirmed and this is well known. As an Arab-obsessed retard and self-hating individual (I can confirm this easily using your own posts) you don't know any better.

Are you talking about your irrelevant and stateless Berbers? Must be. Now get lost from this thread and stop polluting it.
 
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