Arab pressure working against Hindu radicals?

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Identity politics reigns supreme in India. It is "sattvic" for these Hindus to do politics on their caste, language and ethnicity and they've managed to acquire all sorts of nice reservations and domicile laws through acting like violent chimps and destroying property. To see Hindus of all people rail against identity politics is the funniest shit I've ever seen and just further proves my point that they are vacuous people you shouldn't be taking any advice from.

It is exactly this sentiment which forced us to create Pakistan in the first place. When words and actions are disconnected, then you have go by motives.

What are the motives of secular Hindus and Hindutva? They are pretty much the same, both aim to control the minds of minorities, like Muslims, for their own benefit, without much benefit to minorities themselves.

It reminds me a bit of how Democrats come on the wings of minority votes, yet backstab their voter base and pass laws against them. Eventually the voter becomes pessimistic and believes no change will come, hence the vote goes away or worst he compromises with the extreme. We are seeing in India, Muslim leadership has been usurped by Modi, much against the wishes of Indian Muslims as a whole. Every fake community leader wants to get in the good books of BJP.

@xeuss Don't take the words of anyone who wishes to pit you against Pakistanis. Indian Muslims and Pakistanis are Muslim brothers and sisters. we are fully supportive of your cause.

Unfortunately in India, the old tactic has always been to pit Muslims against Muslims. We need to break away from the mind control and chart a new destiny.

We are praying daily for Indian Muslims in their time of need. May Allah swt give you the best in dunya and akhirat.

 

[American Pakistani]

What's a claim without power to back it up?
Such claims are rare anyways, and from your religious scholars. I don't see any military making such claims.

I am talking about Indian Muslims not any military. What's better than having a country taken care of from inside rather than outside? If there are higher number of Muslims inside india why do Pakistan military need to waste their men and resources? Muslims from within India will start ruling it. Already there are 15 percent Muslims in India (some estimates about 200 million Muslims vs 900 millions Hindus in India). Global reports predict that number hovering around 46 percent of total Indian population (from 15 percent today) by 2075. Remainder of 54 percent will be Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis, etc etc. Now you do the calculation who would be ruling.

 

[prashantazazel]

I am talking about Indian Muslims not any military. What's better than having a country taken care of from inside rather than outside? If there are higher number of Muslims inside india why do Pakistan military need to waste their men and resources? Muslims from within India will start ruling it. Already there are 15 percent Muslims in India (some estimates about 200 million Muslims vs 900 millions Hindus in India). Global reports predict that number hovering around 46 percent of total Indian population (from 15 percent today) by 2075. Remainder of 54 percent will be Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis, etc etc. Now you do the calculation who would be ruling.

You go too far into the future, and you won't have 'practicing' religious people anymore.
Anyhow, most predictions predict the percentage of Muslims to stabilize at around 30 percent in India.

 

[American Pakistani]

You go too far into the future, and you won't have 'practicing' religious people anymore.
Anyhow, most predictions predict the percentage of Muslims to stabilize at around 30 percent in India.

Where you got this "most". I have multiple reports saying percentage will increase and eventually cross higher side.

Yes we don't really know about future but looking at the past and analyzing things we can make safe prediction. Yes they could be wrong but currently they look as I said in the last post.

 

[prashantazazel]

Where you got this "most". I have multiple reports saying percentage will increase and eventually cross higher side.

Yes we don't really know about future but looking at the past and analyzing things we can make safe prediction. Yes they could be wrong but currently they look as I said in the last post.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.li...still-be-Hindu-even-when-Musli.html?facet=amp

 

[American Pakistani]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemint.com/Opinion/5bsICkXvl4t4hXSewk8bkN/Four-out-of-five-Indians-will-still-be-Hindu-even-when-Musli.html?facet=amp

Sachin mampata is your source. My sources are European, American. Not some biased nonsense.

 

[xeuss]

Sachin mampata is your source. My sources are European, American. Not some biased nonsense.

Prashant is actually correct. Muslim rate of growth keeps dropping. Studies which state otherwise use a growth exponential in the 80s for the Muslims and extrapolate it for eternity.

 

[American Pakistani]

Prashant is actually correct. Muslim rate of growth keeps dropping. Studies which state otherwise use a growth exponential in the 80s for the Muslims and extrapolate it for eternity.

Can you provide a source of your claim?

 

[xeuss]

Can you provide a source of your claim?

https://www.statista.com/statistics...h-hindu-muslim-population/#statisticContainer

There are many others doing a search on google.

 

[Mad Scientist 2.0]

Can you provide a source of your claim?

Just read any data from PEW. PEW is the most reliable source in population prediction and according to them it would be 19.4. And already we are seeing Water Down Islam in India and by 2050 muslims will remain but Islam will cease to exist due to cultural baggage as well as brute force from state machinery. Islam will only live in Pakistan and Bangladesh in it's own form in the subcontinent. Jinnah did good in that regard otherwise I can say Islam would cease to exist in subcontinent too.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...ations-and-the-10-largest-muslim-populations/

 

[AfrazulMandal]

What are the motives of secular Hindus and Hindutva? They are pretty much the same, both aim to control the minds of minorities, like Muslims, for their own benefit, without much benefit to minorities themselves.

THIS, is very true.

Can you provide a source of your claim?

It is true.

No religion is better .Best thing is that do mind in their own business.Hindus knows how to evolve.

We can see how Hindus have evolved.

The good thing is the Hinduism is shrinking all over the world. Eventually, by extrapolation, there is hope.

But not before many innocents are forced to suffer.

Indian Muslims and Pakistanis are Muslim brothers and sisters. we are fully supportive of your cause.

This is not entirely true.

Most Pakistani nationalists do not care about Indian Muslims, other than Kashmiris.

Yeah okay, Kashmiris are not Indians, fine. Technicalities.

Anyway, the point remains.

 

[SrNair]

THIS, is very true.


It is true.


We can see how Hindus have evolved.

The good thing is the Hinduism is shrinking all over the world. Eventually, by extrapolation, there is hope.

But not before many innocents are forced to suffer.


This is not entirely true.

Most Pakistani nationalists do not care about Indian Muslims, other than Kashmiris.

Yeah okay, Kashmiris are not Indians, fine. Technicalities.

Anyway, the point remains.

Shrinking?.
Its expanding .
But one thing is sure .
There will be a NRC .
And our govt will kick out all those illegal BDis from South India and other parts of India.
Lets see whether you are eligible to remain as the citizen of India

 

[IMARV]

You contradict yourself, and your naked bias and hatred of an entire community is evident in your post.

Conflating Hindu radicals and the Indian state apparatus is a shallow attempt at justifying your expression of hatred of the entire community based on repeated incidents of hateful behaviour by Hindu radicals. Nowhere has any government, or any influential individual from the Arab states supported, mentioned, alleged or hinted, that it is the state apparatus that is responsible for the bad behaviour.

Just by shifting the goalposts and pretending that it is the mechanical reaction of the state apparatus that you were criticising all along is a very weak diversionary tactic. You started by criticising, quite rightly, the bad elements in the Hindu community, and then built insupportable connections between that criticised behaviour and the entire community, and now, on being confronted, are sidestepping and trying to draw an untenable link between the actions of a fringe element and the entire state, trying to convince anyone who will listen that this is what was intended all along.

Shame on you for your hate-filled attitude, and shame on you for your weak defence of the indefensible. Would you couple the bad behaviour of the National Front with the responses of the British Government? What leads you to believe that what is ridiculous behaviour in the UK suddenly becomes sensible in India?

Perhaps you are missing on the premises he has set for himself. Its an established fact in their mind that Arabs as a nation has rebuffed India as a nation on few social media posts and threatened India of severe consequences if Indian nobodies do not stop trolling Arab.

He is also sold on that India as a nation has passed internal circular to social media trolls to take a step back and start praising Indian Muslims to please Arabs.

Do you see it as a mere coincidence that suddenly forum is flooded with threads based on a tweet, domestic news, video, social media post and then extrapolated to the whole nation and start seeking validation from other country's posters?

Fully reduced to a propaganda medium and I ashamed that few of our societies have given them this opportunity to make best use of it. Sad part is, even saner minds from other side behaving as utter opportunists.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Perhaps you are missing on the premises he has set for himself. Its an established fact in their mind that Arabs as a nation has rebuffed India as a nation on few social media posts and threatened India of severe consequences if Indian nobodies do not stop trolling Arab.

He is also sold on that India as a nation has passed internal circular to social media trolls to take a step back and start praising Indian Muslims to please Arabs.

Do you see it as a mere coincidence that suddenly forum is flooded with threads based on a tweet, domestic news, video, social media post and then extrapolated to the whole nation and start seeking validation from other country's posters?

Fully reduced to a propaganda medium and I ashamed that few of our societies have given them this opportunity to make best use of it. Sad part is, even saner minds from other side behaving as utter opportunists.

I was over-wrought at the time I reacted. Your much calmer and better considered evaluation is closer to the reality of what is happening. Thank you for the insight.

 

[Andhadhun]

Arab pressure has forced Yogi Adityanath into arresting innocent men for Kanpur attack on Covid health workers.

Their names are,

Mohammed Shakir, Reshmuddin Mehboob, Inayat Ali, Siddiqu alam, Adim Husain, Majhar Ali, Mohammed Muktar, Vasik Raja, Saheed Nihal, Mohammed Rafiq, Islam khan, Rajib Ali, Sahid, Chutke Arif, Abdul Hafeez, Shamshad shah, Sabeer Mohammed, Sabeer Akbar, Raeez beg, Nafeez beg, Mohammed Sabeer.

Arrested, rest absconding