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Thank you that was very informative.

Now :D I went through some pages but it seems that I still cant get a clear picture about BD political parties. I have read that Awami are bad? No offense intended. I also read about Jamat-Islam, sounds pretty good to me we like to be with Jamat :partay: and I noticed the progress done by our muslim brothers in BD society very impressive. they deserve the lead.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Awami League is one of the oldest large political parties in Bangladesh that started during East Pakistan days in 1949, as an off shoot of Muslim League, which is even older party from British Raj days in early 1906. Awami League gave lead to the nationalist movement of Bengali population (Muslim and Hindu) of East Pakistan, against the unfair treatment of West Pakistani leadership. West Pakistani military and political leadership, instead of finding a political solution, made a false accusation against some leaders that they are Indian agents and started killing Bengali people in East Pakistan in 1971. So population of East Pakistan led by leaders of Awami League and other political parties, as well as Bengali members of Police and Armed forces, revolted and with Indian help won the war of liberation, which created Bangladesh.

Sheikh Mujib, the Awami League leader, who was in Pakistan in jail during this whole 9 month long war, came back and went on to establish a semi dictatorship with Indian help, during 1972-1975, killing 40,000 political opponents and killing about 1 million poor people in a famine in 1974. When he abolished all other political parties and established single party rule in 1975, there was an Army coup and his whole family was killed, except for his two daughters (Hasina, the current Prime Minister and her sister, Rehana) who were staying abroad at the time.

Then we had late Zia (husband of Khaleda Zia, the opposition leader) as our leader till 1981, when he was killed in another military coup. Zia established BNP party, which is now in opposition, led by Khaleda. In my opinion, he was one of the best leaders we had so far.

Ershad, a general, ruled Bangladesh for next 10 years. He established a new smaller party called Jatiyo party.

In 1991, there was a great street protest led by Khaleda (BNP), where Hasina (AL) also participated, and Ershad was successfully removed from power.

In 1991 Bangladesh had the first supposedly free and fair election. Khaleda Zia won this election.

In 1996, Hasina led AL agitated for a care taker govt. (CTG), so that Khaleda could not use her position to influence election result. Khaleda initially went with an election without AL participation, but within 3 months, she had to accept a CTG and a new election, where Hasina won and came to power.

In 2001, Khaleda came to power again when the election was held under a CTG.

In 2006, Hasina alleged that CTG itself was being politicized and is not neutral. During this turmoil in 2007 Army took over power under Gen. Moeen, officially under a CTG and kept power for 2 years. They tried to show that they are against corruption by both parties, but came down more hard on BNP than AL. In 2009 election under this CTG, AL led by Hasina came to power. Some allege that both India and the West were in support of this Army take over and eventual win of AL, because AL successfully painted BNP-Jamaat as Islamic extremist sympathizers.

This current AL govt. rule was plagued with corruption and scandals. They have lost a lot of public support due to that. To avoid a free and fair election where they would loose for sure, AL govt. changed the constitution to remove the CTG provision and passed it in parliament, as they have majority members in parliament.

Now to get some public support back and to attack Jamaat-e-Islami and weaken the BNP-Jamaat led alliance, they decided to go for a war crimes trial to punish mostly Jamaat leaders based on fabricated charges. There was a public movement called Shahbag movement, copying the Tahrir square movement, to support "Hanging of war criminals from 1971 war". But this movement was hijacked by AL, as it was initially organized by some atheist bloggers, many of whom are Hindu and have wide support from India.

One Jamaat leader, Molla, was given life imprisonment but another Delawar Hossain Sayeedi was given death sentence. Jamaat activists and party workers came out in protest, but AL govt. police (many former party workers) and party goons mercilessly killed 170 of them.

In the meantime, one atheist blogger was killed by some people angry with their attack on Islam. This news exposed to Bangladeshi public, the organizing role of atheists and anti-Islam groups in this Shahbag movement, which was aided and supported by the AL govt.

In this situation, Hefajat-e-Islam, a group that is mainly from different Madrasa students, teachers and other Islamic groups (Islamist or just plain religious people without political inclination), came out to protest anti-Islamic activity of Shahbag group. AL and their pro-AL and pro-India media, as well as reporters from this group, who are now employed by AP, AFP, CNN, BBC are trying to portray Bangladesh as the next Taliban infested extremist country.

Indian govt. as well as Indian posters here openly support the anti-Islam activity of AL and Hasina. Because Indians, since 1972 have used AL as their proxy agent to make Bangladesh a virtual vassal state of India, according to my own study on this subject, which of course Indians and AL supporters here (in PDF) vehemently oppose.

The biggest issue now is having a free and fair election in Jan. 2014 under a CTG. AL knows that it will loose the election if it is held under a CTG, so they are trying to stop this from happening. War crimes trial was used to gain public support using 1971 history against Jamaat, which was a small and minor political party at the time in Bangladesh that sided with Pakistan army. The real goal of AL was to harass and force Jamaat to leave the alliance led by BNP. But the atheist bloggers who led the Shahbag movement, painted AL as anti-Islam and the whole thing back fired against AL.

AL is hoping to conduct this election without a CTG. The repeat of 1996 will happen probably, if BNP-Jamaat led alliance boycott this election, where a new election under CTG will have to happen again. An army takeover is also possible if Hasina conducts a rigged election and the public do not accept this rigged election.

So this is the background and the current situation in brief. Hope this makes it clear. If not please ask questions. Pro-Bangladesh Bangladeshi's, please point out any mistakes in my summary and background of current situation in Bangladesh.

Note that, Indians and pro-India AL sympathizers here will present a different side to this story. But this is how I see it, from what I have seen and known so far.
 
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I can see him, he is camping here, be prepared to read one of his usual long essays. Typing in progress......:laugh:

Yup, I was doing exactly that. :lol:

There are more learned ppl than me in this PDF who can explain in detail.but what I understand with my limited knowledge is-jamat e islami is a fundamental(not in a good way)religion based political party.they use Islam as a political front.but do not preach or practice the goodness of our religion. The mass ppl of BD generally religious but lack of knowledge of Koran and sunnah makes them fall for jamati version of Islam which most of the time goes against the teaching of Holy Koran.

This is not fair for the Jamaat-e-Islami. I do not agree with their extreme devotion for Moududi as their ideological leader, as he is one of the later political Islamist and their collaboration with Pakistan Army and their opposition to the independence of Bangladesh and the war of liberation in 1971, but since 1971 they have changed and have become one of the most organized and powerful Islamic forces in Bangladesh, which is a positive asset for Bangladesh to fight off Indian proxy-agent Awami League.
 
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Awami League is one of the oldest large political parties in Bangladesh that started during East Pakistan days in 1949, as an off shoot of Muslim League, which is even older party from British Raj days in early 1906. Awami League gave lead to the nationalist movement of Bengali population (Muslim and Hindu) of East Pakistan, against the unfair treatment of West Pakistani leadership. West Pakistani military and political leadership, instead of finding a political solution, made a false accusation against some leaders that they are Indian agents and started killing Bengali people in East Pakistan in 1971. So population of East Pakistan led by leaders of Awami League and other political parties, as well as Bengali members of Police and Armed forces, revolted and with Indian help won the war of liberation, which created Bangladesh.

Sheikh Mujib, the Awami League leader, who was in Pakistan in jail during this whole 9 month long war, came back and went on to establish a semi dictatorship with Indian help, during 1972-1975, killing 40,000 political opponents and killing about 1 million poor people in a famine in 1974. When he abolished all other political parties and established single party rule in 1975, there was an Army coup and his whole family was killed, except for his two daughters (Hasina, the current Prime Minister and her sister, Rehana) who were staying abroad at the time.

Then we had late Zia (husband of Khaleda Zia, the opposition leader) as our leader till 1981, when he was killed in another military coup. Zia established BNP party, which is now in opposition, led by Khaleda. In my opinion, he was one of the best leaders we had so far.

Ershad, a general, ruled Bangladesh for next 10 years. He established a new smaller party called Jatiyo party.

In 1991, there was a great street protest led by Khaleda (BNP), where Hasina (AL) also participated, and Ershad was successfully removed from power.

In 1991 Bangladesh had the first supposedly free and fair election. Khaleda Zia won this election.

In 1996, Hasina led AL agitated for a care taker govt. (CTG), so that Khaleda could not use her position to influence election result. Khaleda initially went with an election without AL participation, but within 3 months, she had to accept a CTG and a new election, where Hasina won and came to power.

In 2001, Khaleda came to power again when the election was held under a CTG.

In 2006, Hasina alleged that CTG itself was being politicized and is not neutral. During this turmoil in 2007 Army took over power under Gen. Moeen, officially under a CTG and kept power for 2 years. They tried to show that they are against corruption by both parties, but came down more hard on BNP than AL. In 2009 election under this CTG, AL led by Hasina came to power. Some allege that both India and the West were in support of this Army take over and eventual win of AL, because AL successfully painted BNP-Jamaat as Islamic extremist sympathizers.

This current AL govt. rule was plagued with corruption and scandals. They have lost a lot of public support due to that. To avoid a free and fair election where they would loose for sure, AL govt. changed the constitution to remove the CTG provision and passed it in parliament, as they have majority members in parliament.

Now to get some public support back and to attack Jamaat-e-Islami and weaken the BNP-Jamaat led alliance, they decided to go for a war crimes trial to punish mostly Jamaat leaders based on fabricated charges. There was a public movement called Shahbag movement, copying the Tahrir square movement, to support "Hanging of war criminals from 1971 war". But this movement was hijacked by AL, as it was initially organized by some atheist bloggers, many of whom are Hindu and have wide support from India.

One Jamaat leader, Molla, was given life imprisonment but another Delawar Hossain Sayeedi was given death sentence. Jamaat activists and party workers came out in protest, but AL govt. police (many former party workers) and party goons mercilessly killed 170 of them.

In the meantime, one atheist blogger was killed by some people angry with their attack on Islam. This news exposed to Bangladeshi public, the organizing role of atheists and anti-Islam groups in this Shahbag movement, which was aided and supported by the AL govt.

In this situation, Hefajat-e-Islam, a group that is mainly from different Madrasa students, teachers and other Islamic groups (Islamist or just plain religious people without political inclination), came out to protest anti-Islamic activity of Shahbag group. AL and their pro-AL and pro-India media, as well as reporters from this group, who are now employed by AP, AFP, CNN, BBC are trying to portray Bangladesh as the next Taliban infested extremist country.

Indian govt. as well as Indian posters here openly support the anti-Islam activity of AL and Hasina. Because Indians, since 1972 have used AL as their proxy agent to make Bangladesh a virtual vassal state of India, according to my own study on this subject, which of course Indians and AL supporters here (in PDF) vehemently oppose.

The biggest issue now is having a free and fair election in Jan. 2014 under a CTG. AL knows that it will loose the election if it is held under a CTG, so they are trying to stop this from happening. War crimes trial was used to gain public support using 1971 history against Jamaat, which was a small and minor political party at the time in Bangladesh that sided with Pakistan army. The real goal of AL was to harass and force Jamaat to leave the alliance led by BNP. But the atheist bloggers who led the Shahbag movement, painted AL as anti-Islam and the whole thing back fired against AL.

AL is hoping to conduct this election without a CTG. The repeat of 1996 will happen probably, if BNP-Jamaat led alliance boycott this election, where a new election under CTG will have to happen again. An army takeover is also possible if Hasina conducts a rigged election and the public do not accept this rigged election.

So this is the background and the current situation in brief. Hope this makes it clear. If not please ask questions. Pro-Bangladesh Bangladeshi's, please point out any mistakes in my summary and background of current situation in Bangladesh.

Note that, Indians and pro-India AL sympathizers here will present a different side to this story. But this is how I see it, from what I have seen and known so far.


Thank you for this brief summary. Now I can see the complexity of the matter. and I assure you, you will have our full support. It is very upsetting reading about those Hindus, sikh and atheist came all together been plotting and conspiring against muslims throughout BD history.

I really had no Idea about BD affairs. I thought things were calm and cool.

Lets put hope in this visit by Arab leaders, Im very optimistic about it, May things settle and BD prospers.

One last Q if you don't mind, now I got lost b/t Jamat-Islam and Hefagat-Islam. how these differ? and which one do BD people support more?
 
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Thank you for this brief summary. Now I can see the complexity of the matter. and I assure you, you will have our full support. It is very upsetting reading about those Hindus, sikh and atheist came all together been plotting and conspiring against muslims throughout BD history.

I really had no Idea about BD affairs. I thought things were calm and cool.

Lets put hope in this visit by Arab leaders, Im very optimistic about it, May things settle and BD prospers.

One last Q if you don't mind, now I got lost b/t Jamat-Islam and Hefagat-Islam. how these differ? and which one do BD people support more?

Thanks for your good wishes.

Jamaat-e-Islami is from an old political party established by Moududi from 1945:
Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Abul A'la Maududi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They are kind of like Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Moududi is the South Asian version of Hassan al Banna and Syed Qutb. But unlike Egypt, where there was always military rule, Jamaat never became dominant due to development of Bengali nationalism against West Pakistan dominated rule (1947-1971) and due to development of multi-party democracy in Bangladesh (1971-present) where many large political parties are present which are not Islam based:

- Awami League (AL), based on Bengali ethnic-linguistic nationalism, almost all of 9% Hindu's and some Muslims vote for them
- Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP), based on Bangladeshi (territorial) nationalism, few Hindu's and mostly Muslims vote for this party
- Jatiyo Party (JP), mostly North-west regional people vote for this party (7%), as Ershad is from that region of Bangladesh

Hefazat-e-Islam is not strictly a political party. I think it is a very recent phenomenon that was created in reaction to Islamophobia shown by the Atheist bloggers and their Hindu associates who organized the Shahbag movement (more like a circus) and started attacking Islam blatantly. Also, the AL govt. police, many of whom were former party workers (goons) from Hasina's home region (Gopalgonj) including some Hindu's, started harassing mosque going general population just because they have beard and wear caps. This upset the Hefazat group. Hefazat groups includes:

- Madrasa students and teachers
- Many smaller Islamic and Islamist political parties who do not follow Moududi (Jamaat's founder) and his version of political Islam
- Imam's from mosques
- practicing devout Muslims from general population, who sport a beard and wear a cap

Hefazat group is not organized in a team like Jamaat which has about 5% vote (8 million), but as a group it is much bigger and probably has support of at least 70% of general population (112 million), in their opposition to atheist bloggers anti-Islam activity supported by Awami League. Hefazat group have put out a 13 point demand to AL govt. to protect and safe-guard Islamic values and consciousness of Bangladeshi majority population. If the demands are not met by May 6, there is a plan by Hefazat group to shut down the country and bring down AL govt.

My personal opinion, Arab diplomats will not be able to mediate between the two sides, because Hasina and her party AL is pro-India, they do not trust Arabs or other Muslim countries. The only language Hasina and her AL understand is brute force from a non-violent street protest. Once millions of people (Hefazat, Jamaat, BNP etc.) flood the streets and Hasina govt. start killing people in desperation just like Mubarak in Egypt, after the number of people killed reaches a certain number, army will hopefully take over and manage a free and fair election.

More about Hefazat group is here (page51-present):
http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...h-revolution-news-updates-51.html#post4080143
 
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