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Several meetings between Apple’s senior executives and top ranking government officials over the last few months have paved the way for the iPhone maker examining the possibility of shifting nearly a fifth of its production capacity from China to India and scaling up its local manufacturing revenues, through its contract manufacturers, to around $40 billion over the next five years, say officials familiar with the matter.

If this happens, iPhone maker could become India’s largest exporter, say experts.

“We expect Apple to produce up to $40 billion worth of smartphones, mostly for exports through its contract manufacturers Wistron and Foxconn, availing the benefits under the production-linked incentive (PLI) scheme,” a senior government official told ET.

Cupertino-based Apple didn’t respond to ET’s emailed queries.

However, sources close to the company’s plans said there were some irritants in the government’s ambitious PLI scheme — recently announced to incentivise local handset manufacturing and exports — which still needed to be ironed out.

“There are some problems with some of the clauses. For instance, valuing the entire plant and machinery already in use in its plants across China and other places at 40% of that value and the extent of the business information sought under the scheme are some of the irritants,” a person said.

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GOVT KEEN TO ADDRESS CONCERNS
Officials in the government say they will look into all the concerns as the Centre is focussed on bringing hitech manufacturing to India. Prime Minister Narendra Modi met top executives of Apple, Samsung and homegrown phone maker Lava on December 28 last year, which kick-started the process.

“India isn’t a big market for Apple as the company sells only a fraction of its total output in India. It is actually looking at India as a base to manufacture and export, essentially diversifying its production out of China,” the official said.

Currently, Apple sells phones worth some $1.5 billion in India, of which less than $0.5 billion is locally manufactured, and has market share of some 2-3%. In contrast, Apple is a top investor in China. In 2018-19, it produced merchandise valued at $220 billion in China, of which it exported goods worth $185 billion, according to industry experts. It directly and indirectly employs about 4.8 million people there.

According to market research firm IDC, Apple in 2018-19 held a 38% market share of global handset exports, followed by Samsung with a 22% share.

India is looking for a bigger slice of the global exports pie, another senior government official said. The PLI scheme had been designed to address disadvantages global supply chains faced in India vis-à-vis say China and Vietnam.

COS MAY APPLY SOON
“…we are expecting companies to start applying from next week, when the guidelines are out and then the scheme kicks in from August 1. This is the fastest ever planning to execution undertaken by the Indian government,” another government official told ET.

The PLI scheme for large-scale electronics manufacturing was notified on April 1 and offers a production-linked incentive to boost domestic manufacturing and attract large investments in mobile phone manufacturing and specified electronic components, including Assembly, Testing, Marking and Packaging (ATMP) units.

“We realised companies weren’t relocating manufacturing to India because there were disabilities of almost 10%, so PLI addresses about 6% disabilities, the RoDTeP scheme another 0.27%, and the corporate rate tax cuts address the balance,” said the second official. RoDTeP or Remission of Duties and Taxes on Exported Products is another scheme to incentive exports.

The official expects applications from Apple’s component and contract manufacturers, Samsung and a clutch of Chinese investors such as Vivo and Oppo in the next few weeks for the PLI scheme.

EYEING EXPORTS WORTH $100B
“With such incentives, we expect mobile phone exports out of India to cross $100 billion by 2025, it could be earlier than that…,” the first official said. Mobile phone exports out of India were around $3 billion for 2019-20.

According to government data, India’s total exports are estimated to have been $446 billion for April 2019 to January 2020. Out of this, the largest category is petroleum products which alone clocked $36 billion in exports. Reliance Industries in its latest earnings statement said exports from India in FY20 were at Rs 202,830 crore ($26.8 billion).

A company must manufacture at least $10 billion worth mobile phones in a phased manner between 2020 and 2025 to avail the benefits of the PLI scheme. The selected applicant is required to meet targets on a yearly basis.

The scheme, which has a corpus of Rs 40,995 crore, provides incentive of 4-6% on incremental sales (over base year) of goods manufactured in India and covered under target segments to eligible companies, for a period of five years subsequent to the base year as defined.

AMBITIOUS TARGETS

But market experts are sceptical of the government’s ambitious targets.

“We don’t have ecosystem ready, which could support any large-scale deployment. The ecosystem right from skilling to ancillaries is almost negligible. This weakens confidence of anyone wanting to plan big and long term,” said Faisal Kawoosa, founder at research agency TechArc.

He added that instead of positioning ‘Make in India’ as a competing programme, India should have projected it as complimenting the global supply chain.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...as-manufacturing-pie/articleshow/75665975.cms
 
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Iphone production/assembly in india will increase but it will be just to meet the demands in Indian market to workaround the new exorbitant tariffs.
Even if it's just 1/5th ,highly doubt iPhone will indulge in export aimed production in India. Those who believe Foxconn will start mass producing iPhone in India are truly clueless about how the manufacturing industry operates.
In short ,India neither have the necessary stock of skilled workforce necessary to produce the high-end, organic light-emitting diode models or the infrastructure that is required.
It's not just about having huge workforce seeking jobs,cheap land allocation, and initiation of some gov mandated schemes to draw investors.
The infrastructure,supply chain and logistics have to be there too,and india is one of the most backward country in this regard.
Infact,no country can replace the supply chain that china has. It will be way more expensive, coordination nightmare,and time-consuming to even consider it.Foxconn would rather make Iphones in Vietnam instead.

Foxconn can barely keep up the assembly of iphonexr in india .
 
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Iphone production/assembly in india will increase but it will be just to meet the demands in Indian market to workaround the new exorbitant tariffs.
Even if it's just 1/5th ,highly doubt iPhone will indulge in export aimed production in India. Those who believe Foxconn will start mass producing iPhone in India are truly clueless about how the manufacturing industry operates.
In short ,India neither have the necessary stock of skilled workforce necessary to produce the high-end, organic light-emitting diode models or the infrastructure that is required.
It's not just about having huge workforce seeking jobs,cheap land allocation, and initiation of some gov mandated schemes to draw investors.
The infrastructure,supply chain and logistics have to be there too,and india is one of the most backward country in this regard.
Infact,no country can replace the supply chain that china has. It will be way more expensive, coordination nightmare,and time-consuming to even consider it.Foxconn would rather make Iphones in Vietnam instead.

Foxconn can barely keep up the assembly of iphonexr in india .

What the hell is organic light emitting diode? Is it a new semi fab tech?
All supply chains are built slowly overtime. Western companies took 20 years to build Chinese supply chain ecosystem. So learn to be humble.
Foxconn and few suppliers already has established base and manufacturing in India. They are now planning to ask suppliers to make supply chain companies in India to mirror the same in China. it's actually the start of building a high tech supply chain.
So yes. Learn to be humble.
 
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What the hell is organic light emitting diode? Is it a new semi fab tech?
All supply chains are built slowly overtime. Western companies took 20 years to build Chinese supply chain ecosystem. So learn to be humble.
Foxconn and few suppliers already has established base and manufacturing in India. They are now planning to ask suppliers to make supply chain companies in India to mirror the same in China. it's actually the start of building a high tech supply chain.
So yes. Learn to be humble.
Foxconn gave up production of iphone11 in india citing severe lack of skilled workers and infrastructure.
In one years did India became infrastructure and skilled worker powerhouse?

Where did you get that the 76987080 supply chains of China were setting up mirroring factories in India???
Indian supply chain? you gotta be living in a different world.

If chinese manufacturing was replaceable Iphone would have been produced in US already.
 
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Translated, internal financial analysis of Foxconn
The reason why Guo Taiming went to India to build a factory

As we all know, Apple is Foxconn ’s largest partner. The annual iPhone sales will directly affect Foxconn ’s revenue. In recent years, Apple has increasingly wanted to get rid of its dependence on Chinese supply chain manufacturers, especially in the context of today's Sino-US trade friction. In addition, Foxconn now directly builds factories in India, which also allows Apple to save a lot of tariffs on selling iPhones in India.These reasons have become the core reason for Guo Taiming's vigorous development of Indian foundries. But what Guo Taiming did not think of is that India is also known as a country with a large population and a large resource, but its development cannot be compared with China at all. For example, as long as Indian workers are required to work overtime, they will hold a full strike and paralyze the entire factory. In addition, because of the backward infrastructure, India's power supply is also very problematic, and from time to time it will encounter the risk of power outages.

Encountered "Waterloo"
This time, Guo Taiming was completely embarrassed, and the factory was originally transferred to India in order to save costs and speed up efficiency. Not only does the production cost increase significantly, but the efficiency is not to mention. In fact, factories in China have never encountered such problems. Because Chinese workers are more skilled and hardworking, as long as the money is enough, overtime is never a problem. In addition, the domestic infrastructure facilities are very complete, and large factories will never have a crisis of power outages.
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Foxconn gave up production of iphone11 in india citing severe lack of skilled workers and infrastructure.
In one years did India became infrastructure and skilled worker powerhouse?

Where did you get that the 76987080 supply chains of China were setting up mirroring factories in India???
Indian supply chain? you gotta be living in a different world.

If chinese manufacturing was replaceable Iphone would have been produced in US already.

Did you think China magically had skilled labour when it started production? The western companies made your labor force. They trained you people. Your supply chain was created with the help of western IP. Even now more than half of supply chain in China are foreign companies. And that's not a bad thing.
India is now trying to build a ecosystem. Electronics manufacturing is not a new thing to India. But the supply chain and components is the issue. Now Apple has decided to create a alternate supply chain. It will have to bring in other companies and need to train the local people. It's that simple.

Again. Be humble.
 
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Did you think China magically had skilled labour when it started production? The western companies made your labor force. They trained you people. Your supply chain was created with the help of western IP. Even now more than half of supply chain in China are foreign companies. And that's not a bad thing.
India is now trying to build a ecosystem. Electronics manufacturing is not a new thing to India. But the supply chain and components is the issue. Now Apple has decided to create a alternate supply chain. It will have to bring in other companies and need to train the local people. It's that simple.

Again. Be humble.
Refer chinese as chinese,not my people.
Chinese education system,business culture ,work ethic is at totally different level than India .It's unique to china ,not taught by the west,West itself can't replicate the chinese model,nobody can. No country can match the high and fair proportion of quality=quantity as chinese manufacturing.
Also Tim cook explained why they have to manufacture iPhone in china despite china not being a cheap labour source for the past decade.

You clearly don't understand the level of logistics and supply chain China carved up with diligent effort,forget India even US can't replicate that.The efficiency will be very different.
You clearly overestimate India and underestimate china.These are countries that are different as day and night other than in population size.
Sure India will boost iphone manufacturing/assembly but it will be done aiming the indian market not global.
 
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Refer chinese as chinese,not my people.
Chinese education system,business culture ,work ethic is at totally different level than India .It's unique to china ,not taught by the west,West itself can't replicate the chinese model,nobody can. No country can match the high and fair proportion of quality=quantity as chinese manufacturing.
Also Tim cook explained why they have to manufacture iPhone in china despite china not being a cheap labour source for the past decade.

You clearly don't understand the level of logistics and supply chain China carved up with diligent effort,forget India even US can't replicate that.The efficiency will be very different.
You clearly overestimate India and underestimate china.These are countries that are different as day and night other than in population size.
Sure India will boost iphone manufacturing/assembly but it will be done aiming the indian market not global.

I just hope CCP leadership isn't arrogant as Chinese people on pdf with their newfound wealth. I have been to China and I know her strengths on logistics and supply chain. I know really good people and friends on mainland China. Remember where China started. Goodbye.
Arrogance has been the downfall of many.
 
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I just hope CCP leadership isn't arrogant as Chinese people on pdf with their newfound wealth. I have been to China and I know her strengths on logistics and supply chain. I know really good people and friends on mainland China. Remember where China started. Goodbye.
Arrogance has been the downfall of many.
Its the same thinking of when you are at the top, you will try to push everyone else from climbing. If China could do it with the help of Japan and US, India can too. Dont forget how frustrated businesses are with IP theft in China and how bad the competition is locally. India has tremendous growth potential. Only thing needed is, mission mode from PMO. No bureaucratic delays.
 
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And here we go again, its not as easy for Apple and other Tech Giants to just move way from China, like NIKE etc. China is already an advance economy. Apple can have as many meetings as possible with Indian officials, but India is yet to prove as a viable and reliable manufacturing base as China is. The biggest hurdle is the Indian Bureaucracy and red tape culture, not to mention lack of skilled workforce. For what its worth, India might be trying to cash into rising Anti-Chinese sentiment after Covid-19, but in all reality its highly unlikely India will be able to avail it.
 
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So Foxconn is already assembling some Iphones in India?

They do in Chennai.

Its the same thinking of when you are at the top, you will try to push everyone else from climbing. If China could do it with the help of Japan and US, India can too. Dont forget how frustrated businesses are with IP theft in China and how bad the competition is locally. India has tremendous growth potential. Only thing needed is, mission mode from PMO. No bureaucratic delays.

Tbh it's not something PMO can do. It's the work of state governments. And governments with already established manufacturing base in electronics has to take a lead. Cos that's how you bring supply.chain into the equation. In this case Karnataka, Sri city in Andhra and TN. And these states has to lead from the front. Cos it makes no sense for supply chain companies to set up shop in Gujarat or UP where again logistics has to come in mind. After a base is established then when new companies come in then they can diversify. That's how ecosystem is built.
 
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So Foxconn is already assembling some Iphones in India?
yeah,but it's very small scale ,for india only.Most of the xr model in India is still "made in China".
EDIT:just checked my xs,it's also assembled in china and designed in california.
So clearly not many are assembled in India.

I just hope CCP leadership isn't arrogant as Chinese people on pdf with their newfound wealth. I have been to China and I know her strengths on logistics and supply chain. I know really good people and friends on mainland China. Remember where China started. Goodbye.
Arrogance has been the downfall of many.

lol,Indians are the most arrogant and rude people . Indians take humility as weakness and insecurity.
Everything India is the best 1111!!!!!1 no reason needed!!!11

It's due to seer arrogance(also ignorance) that India think it's the competitor of China .


East asians are generally most humble beings jp>kr>>cn.
 
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