APCs,Anti tank tracked & wheeled systems

[Penguin]

USMC Landing Vehicle, Tracked, Howitzer, Mark 6A1 (LVTP-5 with turret mounting a 105mm howitzer)

USA Experimental Airborne 105mm SPG

M7 105 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage

M37 105mm Howitzer Motor Carriage

 

[Penguin]

German tank destroyer Pz.Sf,was built in 1940.

Panzer selbstfahrlafette 1a 5cm PaK38 auf Gep. Mun.Sch.

Based on the Borgward VK 302 ammo carrier

There is also a 10,5cm LG built on a VK302 (28 units)

Borgward B IV, aka Sd.Kfz. 301, Panzer, Ladungsträger, Sprengpanzer.

This formed the basis for the 'Wanze', a version armed with 6 Raketenpanzerbuchsen. Last ditch urban anti-tank system used e.g. in Berlin

 

[Woody Nerd]

Tracked vehicles of Thailand army (three photos) :

Related link.




APCs,Anti tank tracked & wheeled systems

And WHAT are these supposed to be?? Antiquities from WW1?

 

[Penguin]

And WHAT are these supposed to be?? Antiquities from WW1?

These are obviously historical vehicles on parade (look in the background of the bren carrier pic, you see a US made M8 Greyhound armored car along with a bucnh of other vehicles.

Some are kept at the Cavalry Centre, Fort Adison, Saraburi (Thailand)

UK Carden-Lloyd Universal Carrier

UK Carden-Lloyd Mk IV tankette, designated the Type 71 by the Thai army ( about 60 were imported to Siam/Thailand during the 20s)



Japanese Type 95 Ha-Gō in Royal Thai Army

 

[Penguin]

What do you do when the war is over and you have a few hundred left over Bren Gun Carriers ?

These are obviously historical vehicles on parade (look in the background of the bren carrier pic, you see a US made M8 Greyhound armored car along with a bucnh of other vehicles.

Some are kept at the Cavalry Centre, Fort Adison, Saraburi (Thailand)

Historical equipment Royal Thai army
See Royal Thai Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Vehicles
Carden Loyd Mark VI United Kingdom Tankette 1930–1952 10
Carden Loyd Mark VI Modified United Kingdom Tankette 1934–1952 30
Carden Loyd 6 Ton Mark E United Kingdom Light tank 1934–1952 10
Carden Loyd A4 E12 United Kingdom Amphibious light tank 1933–1952 2
Vickers 6-Ton Type B United Kingdom Light tank 1938–1952 8
Type 95 Ha-Go Japan Light tank 1940–1952 50
Renault U.E. France Light tank 1940–? 5
M24 Chaffee United States Light tank 1952–1962 20
Staghound Mark 1 United States Armored car 1949–1972 48
M4 Morris United States Armored car 1931–1952 6
M8 Greyhound United States Armored car 1957–1973 25
Bren Gun Carrier United Kingdom Armored personnel carrier 1944–? 118
Type 69-ll China Main battle tank 1987–2004 100+

 

[T-55]

Stop That Tank! Disney Trining Film on the Boys Anti Tank Rifle

 

[Penguin]

Cavalry Centre, Fort Adison, Saraburi (Thailand)
חיל השריון: כתבות ראשיות - 1 בפברואר 2010: מוזאון רק"ם בתאילנד

 

[alimobin memon]

These are obviously historical vehicles on parade (look in the background of the bren carrier pic, you see a US made M8 Greyhound armored car along with a bucnh of other vehicles.

Some are kept at the Cavalry Centre, Fort Adison, Saraburi (Thailand)

UK Carden-Lloyd Universal Carrier

UK Carden-Lloyd Mk IV tankette, designated the Type 71 by the Thai army ( about 60 were imported to Siam/Thailand during the 20s)



Japanese Type 95 Ha-Gō in Royal Thai Army

This tank had such a thin armor that it was penetrated from front even from large caliber machineguns and each round did penetrate the armour.



I have one question though these new Puma and Centauro type Tank Detroyers or these modern tank destroyers do that have same concept from ww2 with longer barrel higher velocity but lower caliber ? just like 57 mm's which were very powerful even against tiger so what is the concept now ?

 

[Penguin]

This tank had such a thin armor that it was penetrated from front even from large caliber machineguns and each round did penetrate the armour.

Which of the three?

I have one question though these new Puma and Centauro type Tank Detroyers or these modern tank destroyers do that have same concept from ww2 with longer barrel higher velocity but lower caliber ? just like 57 mm's which were very powerful even against tiger so what is the concept now ?

A present day 25mm AIFV cannon with modern ammo can pierce a modern MBTs armor, just not in the frontal arc.
With Puma and Centauro, the idea is to get the same fire power as a modern MBT on a lighter wheeled platform, which is not intended to go head on with tanks.

The WW2 SdKfz 234/2 Puma with turret mounted 50mm was a reconnaisance vehicle equipped to be able to fend for itself away from the main force i.e. deal with light armor and opfor recce vehicle as well as infantry. 234/3 got a short semi-fixed 75mm and 234/4 a long-barreld 75mm to deal with threats.

The 1990s Iveco Puma 6x6 and the Puma 4x4 too are recce vehicles, primarily for Italy's cavalry regiments. The Centauro was intended for light to medium territorial defense and tactical reconnaissance. It is intended to provide Leo 1 firepower but with greater strategic mobility. The main mission of the Centauro is to protect other lighter elements of the cavalry

The Centauro is designed to withstand in the baseline configuration 14.5 mm bullets and shell fragments with protection against 25 mm munition on the frontal section. The addition of bolt-on appliqué armour increases protection against 30 mm rounds. Upgraded Centauro with a low recoil 120/45 cannon in a newly designed turret and with new composite armour can resist up to 40mm APFSDS rounds on the front and 14.5mm on the rest of the body

Todays 8x8s with large gun mount high pressure guns like those found on MBTs, adapted for a smaller, lighter vehicle but firing the same ammo as MBTs. The main issue with these big guns on a wheeled platform is gun recoil and vehicle stability (relatively narrow vehicle and turret ring compared to MBT). That and available turret space.

 

[alimobin memon]

Which of the three?




A present day 25mm AIFV cannon with modern ammo can pierce a modern MBTs armor, just not in the frontal arc.
With Puma and Centauro, the idea is to get the same fire power as a modern MBT on a lighter wheeled platform, which is not intended to go head on with tanks.

The WW2 SdKfz 234/2 Puma with turret mounted 50mm was a reconnaisance vehicle equipped to be able to fend for itself away from the main force i.e. deal with light armor and opfor recce vehicle as well as infantry. 234/3 got a short semi-fixed 75mm and 234/4 a long-barreld 75mm to deal with threats.

The 1990s Iveco Puma 6x6 and the Puma 4x4 too are recce vehicles, primarily for Italy's cavalry regiments. The Centauro was intended for light to medium territorial defense and tactical reconnaissance. It is intended to provide Leo 1 firepower but with greater strategic mobility. The main mission of the Centauro is to protect other lighter elements of the cavalry

The Centauro is designed to withstand in the baseline configuration 14.5 mm bullets and shell fragments with protection against 25 mm munition on the frontal section. The addition of bolt-on appliqué armour increases protection against 30 mm rounds. Upgraded Centauro with a low recoil 120/45 cannon in a newly designed turret and with new composite armour can resist up to 40mm APFSDS rounds on the front and 14.5mm on the rest of the body

Todays 8x8s with large gun mount high pressure guns like those found on MBTs, adapted for a smaller, lighter vehicle but firing the same ammo as MBTs. The main issue with these big guns on a wheeled platform is gun recoil and vehicle stability (relatively narrow vehicle and turret ring compared to MBT). That and available turret space.

Thanks I was talking about HA-Go

 

[Penguin]

Thanks I was talking about HA-Go

Ok.

It proved sufficient against infantry, but it was not designed to fight other tanks.
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Due to doubts by the infantry as to its capability for infantry support it was tested in Manchuria in the winter of 1934/1935
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The infantry had concerns that the armor was insufficient; however, the cavalry indicated that the improved speed and armament compensated for thin armor.
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In the end, the infantry agreed, as the Type 95 was still superior to the only available alternative, which was the Type 92 Heavy Armoured Car.
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In 1940 the Thai army acquired approximately 50 Type 95s. A number of them spearheaded the Thai invasion of Burma's Shan States during the Second World War. In 1952 the tanks were decommissioned

Type 95 Ha-Go - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

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Ok.


Type 95 Ha-Go - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

for japan it was but it was not overall a tank to be said with armor as weak as armored cars and getting spanking from a tank like stuart I would not prefer it.
Looked more like early era tanks only with machine gun that is good against infantry only.

 

[Penguin]

for japan it was but it was not overall a tank to be said with armor as weak as armored cars and getting spanking from a tank like stuart I would not prefer it.
Looked more like early era tanks only with machine gun that is good against infantry only.

Designed 1933–1934
> That means early era tanks, when there was still the difference made between infantry tank and cruisers. The separation of tank functions into specialised areas such as infantry and cruiser types was eventually proven not effective.

The Japanese Imperial Army used 'tankettes' as infantry support in the 1930s and into World War II. These small light tanks were also referred to as armored cars (though they usually only held a crew of two and appeared like miniature tanks) and included the Type 92, Type 94, and Type 97 "TK" vehicles. Japanese troops would ride on the fast-moving tankettes, use them as tractors to pull equipment, or otherwise use them in support roles. Only later versions of the tankettes came equipped with anything other than machine guns. These vehicles were successful supporting infantry in campaigns against China in the 1930s but were not designed to engage other tanks with armor that was meant to repel only small arms fire.

 

[T-55]

BM-8-24 multiple rocket launcher
Repair of tracks.

 

[T-55]

The Finnish self-propelled artillery installation 155GH52-SP-T55 on tests-developed in 2001-2003 years.